Tata to set up centre of excellence in Pakistan

By Jang News Group Correspondent

KARACHI 16-July: Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) of India will set up a centre of excellence for software professionals in Pakistan with a "sizable investment". This was announced by Vice President Tata Consultancy Services, Pankaj M Baglia, after a meeting with Sindh Minister for Information Technology, Syed Mustafa Kamal, at his office here on Friday. "We will take start from Lahore," he said, adding "we are all set with our resources (faculty and the programme) and now it is just the question of moving forward to get it done." Pankaj said students and corporate sector of Sindh could also come forward and join the institute and "look at it as a facility that is open to all". The TCS vice president saw a good future for the IT sector in this region. He informed "TCS is a two and a quarter billion dollars company and has 45,000 associates who go through this programme which is called Initial Learning Programme." Sindh Minister for Information Technology, Syed Mustafa Kamal, described his meeting with the officials of TCS as encouraging. He hoped a centre of excellence would soon be established in Karachi as well, adding "they have the potential, infrastructure and human resource."


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And to think that we'd learn from our mistakes in the past. This neighbor is not to be trusted at any level and for any reason. If the peace is to work b/w Pakistan and india (Yea Right!) then we (Pakistan) should be more carefull and weigh every decision regarding an enemy that has been a deadly enemy for the past 58 years. Wake up before its too late.

well i really dont understand what are your concerns. please elaborate.

What is so bad about this investment? better economic relations will automatically result in better political relations.

The fact that there is an indian firm investing in Pakistan and establishing its offices in Pakistan. Means that there would be indians who would come over to Pakistan and since they would over look the establishment of their firm in our country. It would lead to these indians obtaining work permits to live in Pakistan for a the time duration. That would lead to indians mingling in our society and becoming a part of our society.

Ofcourse for the optimists around here, it would look as something as a good prospect. But what these blind optimists don't know is that. these very indians who would start living in Pakistan, would grow in numbers. Before you know it, they would become a vocal minority (slowly growing) that would have influence in our political decisions.

As their track records have shown, these indians go everywhere in numbers and become a part of that country and then have the opportunity to influence that countrys decisions in favor of india.

One doesn't have to look far to see this evident in our neighboring countries. USA, UAE and Malaysia are but a few of them. And we know how these sadistic bastards operate. This is a stupid, ignorant, unsensible and irrational decision by our government to allow these filthy indians to come to our Pakistan and work here. A desicion, one day (May Allah prevent this), Pakistan would regret making.

So remember, this enemy has fought four wars with us. And it knows that it could not defeat us on every attempt it did by force. Now ofcourse times have changes and this $hithole country knows that we'd nuke'em to high hell if they even try it. So this way (by coming to our country as a businessman) they would destroy Pakistan from within. And when i mean destroy Pakistan, i mean destroy the will, the moral values and the determination of our people to stand firm in our nationalistic pride.

Don't forget that it was just 2002 when this very enemy had deployed majority of its 1.1 million army, on Pakistans borders. Just three years ago this filthy gutter country was wanting to go to war with us and destroy Pakistan.

One would be deluded, obnoxiously idiotic into believing that india has had a sudden change of conscience. No, they haven't. They have just changed tactics, but their the same bastard enimies that cannot accept Pakistans existance.

Maybe, (May Allah let this not happen) when they have established and integrated in our society, they will accept Pakistan. Why? because by then, they're the ones controlling Pakistan!!!!!!!!

lol....then why is Pak govt. not thinking like you dizasta? I think the benefits of more economic relations between two countries is a good thing.

well he does have a point there. but i dont think we give citizenship just like that to indian origion. I thought he meant that but i just wanted to be sure if he is economically concern.

I personally more worried about raw coming in as disguise rather than anything else.

TATA !! weired name . dosent TATA means test***es in Urdu

As their track records have shown, these indians go everywhere in numbers and become a part of that country and then have the opportunity to influence that countrys decisions in favor of india.

Well this is our own problem .. we should be strong enough to put forward oru own agendas.

TATA is a Parsi huge company of India making from a pin to a car ...

I think it is very good for Pakistani IT professionals as TATA is known to take out one of the best IT professionals and in the long run will be a positive note for our IT standings.

Even though Pakistan and India are enemies, we need to be muslims first, and Pakistanis fourth or fifth after family. Thing is, as muslims, nothing blocks us from having economic ties with the enemy, it is simply between civilians and businesses. Whereas disputes and wars should be kept out of businesses and economies, we need to be somewhat more conservative on these issues. Governments should only interfere in the economy if there is worker exploitation or corruption, otherwise, let businesses do business, and war machines fight wars.

Who is Stupid???? TCS or the local Government???????If Local Government then its up to you.If you cant put up with company which is more closer as far as geography and language is concern then forget about Microsoft,Oracle,SAP...

with all these companies (Microsoft, Oracle, Tata), pakistani should learn how they operate and start their own small comapnies, to first forfill local demand, and second venture out into the world markets

sort of like chinese joint ventures, and then having the know how to do it your self

Dizasta, in case you did not notice or where not born then, your "blind" hatred apparently is not shared by a lot of your countrymen. Atleast the 10 lakh odd Pakistanis who cheered the friendship cricket series in Pakistan two years back. Atleast the 3000 business delegates who have been visiting each other for the last 2 years. Atleast the 1000 cultural participants who have been exchanging our rich culture. Also the close to 5000 NGOs who are now not thinking like you.

Wake up. The cold war was over about 15 years ago. The future is in economic relationship and not military might. The current younger breed who live in India and Pakistan (no tthose who live abroad) are less burdened with the mistakes and prejudices of their mutual forefathers and its showing. Wait for another generation and your ilk will be history.

I for one, have no hatred for pakistanis -- just curiosity. We have grown up with a lot of myths about the other side of the border, and now that its harder to make up such stories, any one with an open mind and clear thinking can see that its the same people on the other side of the border. Thats what happens when there is people to people exchange and economic relationship.

you need to grow up too or be isolated.

if we had enough momentum in our own economy to do without then ok, but we dont. also if Ford motors jumped in and started a car plant in pakistan no one would care...but do you think the Americans have nothing but happy thoughts about us?

Its buiness at the end of the day.

Other than RAW coming in, I see no harm. Pakistan is not UAE or Malaysia. Pakistan is a heavily populated country which simply cannot absorb and assimilate enough Indians make them strong lobbies. By setting up industries here, may be they can teach us a thing or two. But we can dispell their misconception about Pakistan either. I think the last Indian cricket tour to Pakistan went a LONG WAY in convincing Indians that Pakistanis are not all bunch of Jihadi people.

We do want to retain our unique identity and will not allow anyone to assimilate us through war or trade. Yet, we can still have a peaceful co-existence.

Take it easy: It is just business.

couldnt agree with you more! What is the need of the day is people to people contact and economic relationship to dispel the myths of our forefathers. Some of the posters in this forum (and albeit on the indian side too) suffer badly from it :)

A members paranoia seems to border on the pathological!
There is no real cause of worry really.It will be a long -long time before there is a
queue of indian wanting to emigrate to Pakistan.
In any case such ops require a few managerial heads to manage, the rest of the staff ismostly local.
No business can afford to man an enterprise in a foreign country entirely on its own staff. Its just too expensive and pbviously against sound business practice.
TATA is a huge,Billion-Billion$forward looking company. It recently had drawn plans to invest 2billion $ in Bangladesh.Now that is no doubt a business decision for profit, but BD too would benefit hugely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3741660.stm

Indians particularly hindus love using that word.They never call them Mujahideen and why would they???They have no respect and dont wanna learn about Islam.I never have come across a hindu will will say Mujahid......inkay zehan main jihadi woh kashmiri mujahideen hain.

TATA coming into paksitan is good as it will boost our relations.That way they will have a better understanding of and that we really are not willing to be thier enemies.

dizasta ,bro we love ur jokes sometimes,and ur anecdotes,but seriously ur being paranoid.Im sure all the while they are here,they'd be turning every minute to watch for their asses ,and wont certainly be stupid enough to bring up any controlversial issues.

i agree with dizasta bhai

no partnership with the hindians

considering indians cant stop infecting each other with the AIDS virus, maybe its not too long off before indians start wanting to escape from AIDS-ville.

Guyz,


Both Manmohan Singh and Shaukat Aziz are related to Economics and accounts.

They know the facts and figures better than us.

Regarding the RAW's entry in PAKISTAN through TCS...........

General Musharraf is wise enough than anybody of us here.

Cheers,

Miro

If thats the laid-back attitude you have of the topic at hand, then i seriously doubt that you have full grasp of the consequences we face if we let these indians into our Pakistan.

Don't forget that Pakistan is a gift from Allah unto us. A land where we are free from these filthy rats, who have nothing but venom to spit out. Consider yourself blessed as compared to the Muslims who live day in and day out in that hell hole. Consider for a moment when you'd see these rats demolish a Mosque (Masjid). Would you allow that to happen? And even if you do, then what could you do in a country full of these jahil hindus. Oh, i know! Get slaughtered by the thousands like they did in gujrat.

Economic trade is excellent with countries that we have nominal or good relations with. NOT with a 58 year old venomous enemy. Look west and you'd find tons of economic opportunities like Canada, Chile, Brazil, France, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Eygpt, Iran, Algeria, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain & etc. And if you wanted a powerhouse that is bigger, has enormous economic opportunities, out classes and out matches india. You don't have to look far, infact it is your best friend China.

So why, for the love of God, should be so stupid dumb f---ed in the brain to allow the enemy that has no other motive than to see our destruction, do we trade with such sadistic people.

Lemme ask you this .... if say 2-3 snakes in a pit (india) don't bite, it doesn't mean you go jump in the the pit! Don't fool yourself into believing a fantasy, cuz you'll have a rude awakening to the reality that lay ahead of you.

And for those who comment my posts, saying that they're funny jokes, i feel sorry for'em as they're oblivious to the reality of things around us. Be practical and calculative and you'll reach the same conclusion i have.

And as for my hatred for these filthy rat-indians, i'll say this: "I'd rather see a Pakistani girl where jeans and tank tops than see them wearing those rat-indians sarees. I'd rather see Pakistanis listening to western music than those pathetic losers-indians songs and cheap immitations of western music.

Be Pakistani and follow your own originality and you'll see the heights it takes you to. Rather than folowing these lowlives, who are nothing but a third-rated coward enemy who seeks to decieve you and con you into believing that they have peacfull intent towards you ............... Yea Right!!!!!

Good morning dizasta i am F-104Starfighter...remember me?

Dizasta

Islamic Empires were created to be from oppressors, but that didn't mean they didn't trade and have economical ties with oppressors, enemies etc. Muslims back in the eleventh century and so on were excellent traders, and traded with everyone. Despite India being our enemy, there is nothing wrong with trade, as long we don't rely upon them, and I don't think that'll happen. Remember, we're Muslim first, we're family members second, and we're countrymen third, never forget that.

Muslims who traded with enemies fought their enemies if anything went wrong, we should be the same.

Among those people there was at least a hope, a tiny light were they could learn.And they could change.They were enemies but not so enemisih.They did not do propganda against islam and backtabb us(do trade and then bullshit).Hindus are different from THOSE people, hindus never learn and they continue to be like this until the end.They shake our hands and then they will stab us....THATS what the BAnIYAS are.

When i speak of this enemy, i do as a Pakistani that burns in Patriotism for his God given country. My family shed blood for Pakistan, to whatever extent it took we never refused the call to defend our country. Make no mistake about my passion for Pakistan. There is one thing in particular about us Pukhtuns, that we are ruthless in what we are passionate about. NEVER DOUBT THAT.

I don't want to point any fingers as you all are my fellow countrymen and brothers. But it is with short sightedness that some of you view this situation at hand.

You call it paranoia, when you have no idea what the gravity of this situation really is and what the reprecussions for something so ordinary would turn out to be a regretable decision.

To my brotherman Diving Falcon ..... buddy its true of what you say how Muslims were trading with enemies as well. But times have changed and so have the enimies. This is no sixteenth century, where there was still some semblance of moral and ethical values. This enemy is one that can never be trusted at any cost whatsoever!

Seek elsewhere and you shall find lucrative trade opportunities with fellow Muslim countries both in the Middle East and Central Asia. You'll also find a giant economic power house, China. There are other ways to keep this cunniving, sadistic enemy at bay (Peace). However, falling over your feet to make peace with this $wine of a neighbor, is hardly a respectable and senseble approach.

This is your first and last warning indian, DO NOT CROSS ME. I have zero tolerence for you rats, so go buzz of somewhere else and rant there all you want.

Woooo, Dizasta has spoken. Brrrrrrr!!! We Indians are shaking in our pants.

Hahah

Hyperthyroidism.

agree with DF.

I repeat in sincere belief...you may be a big mouth in a obscure cyber forum, but you are a minority in your own country. You will continue to be cooked in your own juice of hatred for others and continue to find fault in feloow human beings, but like those who spit fire against Pakistan in India, I am convinced -- after all those incidences I quoted above -- you are also becoming a minority in Pakistan.

I for my part wish to believe in my countrymen and yours too -- who were there in the cricket stadiums, in the music concerts, in the business delegations -- working with each other and enjoying each others company, without the prejudices of our forefathers casting a shadow over basic trust for human beings. that happened in Kolkata, Delhi in front of my own eyes, and close friends told me it happened in Lahore, Karachi which he visited during the last cricket series.

Your choice sir! -- you can stay away and continue to live and die with misbeliefs and heresay, or interact personally with an "open mind" and make your own choice.

Personally, I found the 3 Lahorites in my stand at the Eden Gardens as cricket crazy as I am :)

Not just TCS even TATA Steel is keen on investing in PAKISTAN

Tata Steel keen to invest in Pakistan
Hindustan Times — April 22, 2005

Tata Steel is eyeing Pakistan for doing business in that country. "We are looking at the possibility of doing something in Bangladesh. We are definitely exploring the possibilities of doing something in Pakistan," Tata Steel managing director B. Muthuraman told news channel NDTV. Pointing out that Pakistan can make primary steel and also has finising facilities, he said the steel market in that country would rise with the economic growth. "Paksitan has a good market and I am sure that when Pakistan economy grows, it will have very good steel market," Muthuraman said, adding the best way to develop friendship among nations is through economics." Once there is a cross-border movement of people for firendship and trade, you will find friendship developing," he said.

http://www.tata.com/tata_steel/media/20050422.htm

Dizasta, the Sahaba were hunted down like dogs by the Kaafir, yet we still did trade, if they stab us, cowards will get punished by The Allmighty, while matyrs are honoured by mortals.

I Agree with Disasta:

"One can never benefit from their enemy"

Infact this is a old tactical insurgency into a country in the name of economic welfare, education, hospitals etc etc etc etc etc. This all is crap.

If Pakistan let the TATA in then it will be like opening the door for hornets, then they will sting the Pakistani TATTAS so hard that their balls are going to come out of thier mouths.

"Bweare Pakistan KUFAR cannot be a Muslim friend"

I agree. TATAS should not invest in Pakistan as it will creating jobs and helping the economy of the enemy. As Tata is an Indian Company Pakistani employees cannot be trusted. They will try to sabotage the expensive equipment.

Sometimes you guys make me laugh. You see conspiracy in everything. I have no problem in Pakistan firm setting up business in India. I welcome it as it will create jobs and add to economic prosperity. No business will work against its own investment.

Pakistan Government has laws and enforcement agencies and I am quite sure it will be able to deal with any issues that may arise.

USA, UK, France worked with Germany to get back on its feet after WW2. Had the Germans thought about it the same way it would have been stuck in developing world.

Personally, the absurdity of this topic and the subsequent discussion is "what are the TATA's guilty of again?"

They want to invest in Pakistan, enemy-shenemy, whatever -- therefore its they who want to take the risk! If Pakistan doesnt want it, simply say no! The Pakistanis should curse their policy makers, and suddenly it turns arouns to an (As usual) india bashing thread! :(

KUFAR means non-believers in its most simple terms right!
So your relations should only be limited to the Islamic world!What about the chinese, Ukraine, USA, are they exempt from 'Kufra'status!!!

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This is our matter and we are discussing it on our accord. If your pathetic kind wants call it indian bashing, then damn right it is. Last time i checked, this is a Pakistani Forum and we are discussing Pakistani Issues. So buzz of rat, cuz i have zero tolerence for your pathetic kind.



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America, Ukraine and etc are Catholic Christian nations, and are Ehleh-Kitab. But thats not the reason why Pakistan shouldn't trade with you. Ofcourse trade is good, but with you lot it should be limited to strict and stringent trade tarriffs where only a tiny quota is allowed in & out. Not the ludicrious charade of peace process. Pakistan is and should always be very cautious when dealing with indians. This is a matter of our integrity, security and strategical importance on a global level. Peace, even you useless indians is always welcome (as if that'd ever be true about you people). However to take it to such charged up, foolishly optimistic level, is simply a catastrophe in the making. For 58 years india has been our enemy, that doesn't change over night and our gulible attitude towards this peace process will have to weld into a robust and very reserved approach. This cocameimebullshit about having bus links b/w Lahore and amritsar, the Pakistani artists going there, the indian lawyers coming here, nothing but a $hit load'a'crap.

Inshallah there will be a realization of this oblivious approach that our government has taken. Hopefully, Inshallah-Inshallah-Inshallah, the true colors of these r@t-indians will show and their true intent and Inshallah Pakistanis will come about their wits and unite against, someone that i term as the most sinister enemy Pakistan has ever encountered.

Like I said, I do strongly believe that majority of Pakistanis do not share your prejudice and vice. Atleast the few I met at the Eden Gardens were civil, and I am told that the people who cheered in the Indo-Pak cricket matches at Pakistan were extremely friendly too.

What??? Isn't that the same "Eden Gardens" where you pathetic filthy rats were throwing water bottles where the Pakistani Players when Pakistan had your faggot team by the balls!!!!

As for how many Pakistanis agree with me or how many don't. That ain't none of your concern or your fu--ing God Damn business you filthy maggot. One thing is for sure, you rotten rat, we Pakistanis are together when it comes to a sadistic, cunniving enemy like you indians. Now get the F---Off of MY TOPIC ..... RAT!

HI,

Wow Some Modernday Economists ............ if China Starts to Think like you They would be Growing at 3 to 4 % Per year..........


Do you have Any Idea what China - Japan or China - America Trade is .

China - Japan is approx US$130bn in 2005 ............... and America is China's Biggest Trading Patrner.



Peace

What game were you watching?!!!!!

Those who did not like it, left the ground. The rest 50,000 (thats half of Eden Gardens) like me, who were still there, stood, clapped and bowed at the brilliant run chase by Pakistan.

Allocation export of old buffaloes (only) to Pakistan

By Jang News Group Correspondent

LAHORE 26-July: The Indian government has fixed quota for its exporters intending to send animals across the border through Wagah to Pakistan. The New Delhi Quarantine Department has allowed export of only retired buffaloes while denying cows and camels to Pakistani buyers, importers based at Lahore confided to The News on Tuesday. The Quarantine Department at New Delhi has clarified to Indian exporters intending to sell animals to Pakistan that they would be allowed to send only retired buffaloes for meat purposes, importers said. "Indian exporters dealing with us have already applied for quota from the authorities at New Delhi," said a leading meat and animal importer, Rana Shaukat, when contacted by this correspondent. He appealed to Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to withdraw the import duty of Rs175 per animal.

"When the government is not providing any quarantine infrastructure and other facilities, then there is no justification to impose such a high level of duty." "If this cost is added to the overall price of mutton, then it will cost Rs15 per kg more," he said and added that average weight of most of the small animals was around 10 kg. He said that if allowed, the importers could bring in 1,000 to 1,500 small animals (sheep and goats) and 700 big animals (buffaloes) daily. He said that imported consignments would be able to cater to the needs of provincial metropolis only and prices would stabilise should the butchers passed on the impact of low price to end-consumers. He said that they had pinned hope on their meeting with the Adviser to Prime Minister on Finance, Dr Salman Shah on Wednesday, in which the whole issue would be discussed in detail.



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Peace

Sort of reminds me of the British East India Company. How they came to Muslim India and overtook the rulers over there. Though it might be an overstatement but I would side with Dizasta on this issue. Cuz frankly no matter how friendly or even brotherly we become, there always will be that element of suspicion and I would say that this would be a stupid decision by the GOP.
Instead we should focus on strenghtening ourselves so that we should someday set up such businesses inside India.

Thats my 2 cents :)

I strongly agree with Dizasta.

Man why don’t you understand, that TATA makes almost everything in India. They are setting up in Pakistan in steps. First IT and then steel and then bikes then cars, everything you could imagine. One day will come when they will control the Pakistani industries, almost every kind of industries. Government won’t be able to make any decision without their will. They are gonna grab our balls and squeeze them whenever they want. Pakistan will be dependent on them. Depending on them means depending on India. We have a 58 years rivalry between us and we can’t just ignore it and make Pakistan an Indian colony by giving their business giants to work in Pakistan. If they start working in Pakistan then where will the poor Pakistanis go? India? No way they are gonna kick their ass because they don’t need them. Indian is a very big country and so is our friend China. Pakistan imports with china have rapidly increased in the last 2 or three years and even then the Pakistani trader community is facing severe loses. Anyone on this forum living in Pakistan can tell easily that Bazaar bharay paray hain Chinese products say and Pakistani products now don’t even show up in our own Pakistan markets.
The point I am trying to make is that if India starts business in Pakistan, pakistan is going to squeeze between two giants. Even when the first giant is a very good friend country Pakistani industries are facing problems, what will happen if India completely sets up in Pakistan. Pakistani industries will completely wipe out and there will be India control the Pakistani economy. Whenever they want, they would increase the prices of something, whenever they want they will stop a product and Pakistan will start bouncing in front of India to release the products again.

A scenario of 2030 (Lahore):

This is the mall road, hundreds of cars are running towards their destinations and out of them 50% are of TATA motors, suddenly the tire of a car gets punctured, the owner of the car goes to the tire shop, installs a new TATA motors tire and then rushes to the market from where he has to buy some needles and some clothes for his wife. He enters the shop, buys an Indian needle(as there is no other needle available because of the flooding of needles from India), same is the case with clothes.

Mubarak ho ap sab ko, PAKISTANI INDUSTRIES DOWN THE DRAIN.
May Allah Almighty help Pakistan.

WO WO WO WHERE TEH HELL.................

TATA WAS !!!!!THINKING~!!!! OF COMIN TO PAKISTAN BUT OBVIOUSLY...IT HAD DELEGATIONS AND BLAH BLAH UNTIL SHJOPKAT AZIZs comment "There will be a long time before Indian Industries are Permitted in Pakistan"...IT AN OLD STORY THT GOT SETTLED

N no don worry even if TATA does come in it will have a hard time getting over 10 % marjkket share Local Companies like Suzuki, dewan etc which cater to the same market TAT does will give it a hard time, considering TATA will already be under a lot of scrutiny from both govts it will very hard for it to progress

If tis statement is right then Dizasta will be verry happy.
OFFCOURSE I AM HAPPY TOO

but somewere i have read that pakistan and india has entered into agreement on internet serviuve provider. it says that india will provide pakistan with two line of internet, one from mumbai to karachi and other from amritsar to lahor. and this will be proivided by videsh sanchar nigam ltd or VSNL. this company is controlled by TATA. and the only other line (undersea) is controlled by another indian company reliance infocom. so they already have us by balls and our gov is giving them more with every passing day.

I think that the fibre optic undersea is from Dubai, Is nt it?

India was never a muslim country, India was always a Hindu majority country with some parts being Muslim majority.