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pakimyself
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DAVOS DIARY
Our Bureau / New Delhi January 27, 2006

At many of the sessions on China, a graphic display greeted participants. The display captured the exports of the US, China and India to the rest of the world. It showed that while exports from China and India were almost the same in the mid-1980’s, China surged ahead by leaps and bounds in subsequent years, leaving India far behind.

The US of course, topped the league all along. Even Federal Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, mentioned only China while talking about how Asian economies were growing rapidly.

The final blow for India came from WEF executive chairman Klaus Schwab when he introduced Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf to the audience. “Pakistan’s economy has recorded the second highest growth in Asia, after China,” Schwab said. Pakistan clocked an 8.4 per cent growth rate last year.

Related link: http://www.business-standard.com/common/st...N&autono=213143
Indiski
QUOTE(pakimyself @ Jan 28 2006, 06:48 AM)
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DAVOS DIARY
Our Bureau / New Delhi January 27, 2006

At many of the sessions on China, a graphic display greeted participants. The display captured the exports of the US, China and India to the rest of the world. It showed that while exports from China and India were almost the same in the mid-1980’s, China surged ahead by leaps and bounds in subsequent years, leaving India far behind.

The US of course, topped the league all along. Even Federal Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, mentioned only China while talking about how Asian economies were growing rapidly.

The final blow for India came from WEF executive chairman Klaus Schwab when he introduced Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf to the audience. “Pakistan’s economy has recorded the second highest growth in Asia, after China,” Schwab said. Pakistan clocked an 8.4 per cent growth rate last year.

Related link: http://www.business-standard.com/common/st...N&autono=213143
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This in no way means Pak beat India,how old are u?
Bejaan Daruwalla
Dude, Davos is an economic summit. Not a wrestling event. hitwall.gif
wiseking
QUOTE(Bejaan Daruwalla @ Jan 27 2006, 11:17 PM)
Dude, Davos is an economic summit. Not a wrestling event.  hitwall.gif
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yes true, but pakistani leaders (starting in 2003 when musharraf first attended, then last year with shaukat aziz and again this year) pakistan has consistently garnered much more press support and has been able to effectively sell itself on a stage as large as the WEF. some of the biggest names in the world are present here. pakistan has taken full advantage of this by marketing itself as a country that is not anything like its image. there are no riots (a la india) there is no caste system (a la india) and there is no sex discrimination for babies before they are born and killed in the womb (a la india). so really, this is a good opportunity for pakistan to get interest. and that has definitely happened. very few people in the world can out-press musharraf and shaukat aziz. i mean, the indians are really no competition quite frankly. manmohan singh with his towel head and slow monotonous speech is no match for the suave and urbane musharraf and aziz. its no competition. pakistan has got this thing covered. PakistanFlag.gif
USAM
Pakistan got %190 increase in FDI in first six monthis and you might want to take out PTCL payments out of $1.5 billion approx. to make a fair analysis. And expometer is recording about 21.7% increase in exports and it is going to top at around $ 18 Billion this year.
USAM
And with the growth rate of about %17 of exports, pakistan can touch the $ 31 Billion base in about 4 years.


My perdiction is that barrier of $ 25 billion exports will be crossed in about 2.3-2.8 years easily. InsAllah.
abhiinalwar
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Yes pakistan can do that. But I am somewhat confused how come delegation of 3 people can claim victory???
India have 113 pelple delegation with two co-chairman and around 10 billion US $ prospective deals in mind and with 3 seperate sessions and debate over india ,indo-china and service sector ,and now compare it with 3 officially invited people (1 out of them is head of defence!!!) with a agenda to talk kashmir and terrorasim to talk in an economic forum???

It happens sometime yaar hota BANANA.GIF BANANA.GIF

Yes Pakistan is most exciting place in world where every fortune500 firm is coming with big bucks!!!
I do not know how many of pakistani journalist was there in Davos to cover 'India everywhere meet" BANANA.GIF BANANA.GIF
Souce:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/business...ss/26india.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060123/139/625ic.html
OmaR UK
do IsI agents go wiv PM,Mushy on visits for there safety?
wiseking
QUOTE(omarleeds @ Jan 28 2006, 09:51 AM)
do IsI agents go wiv PM,Mushy on visits for there safety?
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probably not. the security of foreign leaders on trips becomes the priority of the country who is hosting. though i would not be surprised if there was a plain clothed presence of ISI officials.
MrBond
QUOTE(Bejaan Daruwalla @ Jan 28 2006, 06:17 AM)
Dude, Davos is an economic summit. Not a wrestling event.  hitwall.gif
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You gotta admit it's a good slap in the face for India. W00T.GIF
HAIDER ICBM
QUOTE(CatchMe @ Jan 28 2006, 04:52 AM)
Indian exports are projected to hit $300Billion by 2015. FDI is expected to cross $10B this year and would accelerate upto $80B by moderate estimates (McKinsey report) by 2015

The Indian economy is projected to be 50 times its current size by 2050, according to McKinsey and be the world's 3rd largest economy. What about Pakistan?

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Bohat zaida ho gaya yaar. Kuch kam karo. Tell me believable figures.
crazyinsane105
QUOTE(CatchMe @ Jan 28 2006, 04:52 AM)

The Indian economy is projected to be 50 times its current size by 2050, according to McKinsey and be the world's 3rd largest economy. What about Pakistan?

India is expected to sustain 7% GDP growth over the next decade by modest estimates. Some analysts say India could accelerate to 8 to 9% per annum by 2010, and beat China by 2020 in growth rate due to the cooling off of the Chineese economy..
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You retard!!! Do you know ANYTHING about economics??? Do you? Because the way you are talking, it seems you don't know s*it. An country's economic growth IS NEVER linear. There is no simple equation that can say India will be the biggest economy in 2050. Also, please tell me how India is expected to keep up a 7% GDP growth over the next decade. Can you see into the future? (Hint: smoking that bag of Mary Jane doesn't count). You do realize that world events play a big part in economics as well.

And no, India is very behind when compared to China and China is very behind when compared to America. You can't even begin to compare China and India. Lastly, give some sources to your absurd claims (I am not going to accept any Indian sources). If you can't give any sources to back your word, then shut the hell up.
Shamraz Khan
Indians view of Mushy's visit to Davos.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62105

Davos, Jan 27: As a sales pitch, it was a performance par excellence, with just the right combination of confidence and authority but with that little bit of humility, not to forget a touch of humour and the personal element, thrown in. No wonder the 250-odd guests who filed into the lounge at the Belvedere, Davos on Friday for a 7 am breakfast meeting with Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf hosted by Ikram Sehgal, a leading Pakistani businessman, were bowled over.

As a South African journalist told the President at the end of the breakfast, he’d charmed them the last time he was in Davos two years ago and now had done it again! Fulsome praise indeed for someone most Indian audiences would (rightly?) view with more than a soupcon of suspicion!

But then Musharraf had done his homework well. He seemed to know just how to touch the pulse of the predominantly western audience gathered there. His objective was quite clear: To sell Pakistan as an attractive destination for foreign investment. So, starting with the success of the Pakistan economy, he went to talk of the steps he’s taken to restore democracy in Pakistan, to how his country is a key player in the effort to bring peace to the region and here he touched upon how he’s been trying to resolve the Kashmir dispute to finally round off with how under his leadership, Pakistan is on the cusp of a great new opportunity, one that investors could ill afford to overlook.

It was a slick performance. And that’s the key word: performance. On the economic front, few would dispute his government’s performance has been outstanding. Pakistan was the second-fastest growing economy in the world last year, its macro economic fundamentals have improved hugely and the Karachi Stock Exchange, which as the general took care to point out, stood at 900 when ho took over in 1999 is now 10,500.


What was surprising, however, is how the audience seemed to buy his talk on restoration of democracy in Pakistan and his efforts to broker peace in the region, especially with India. Probably that was because he took care to intersperse his remarks with the right amount of self-deprecating humour and that never fails to touch an audience. Take, for instance, his remark that those gathered in the room would perhaps question his credentials - how can he, a military man, talk about democracy or of peace? But it’s precisely because he’s a military man, the President claimed, that he is best qualified to do something on both fronts.

He’d seen how true democracy had never taken root in Pakistan, how there was no accountability of supposedly democratically elected leaders and hence his efforts have been to strengthen institutions - beginning with institutions of local self-governance right up to the very top. And lest a foreign audience think minorities and women have no rights in Pakistan, he hastened to assure them he’d even reserved seats for them in the National Assembly so that their concerns are taken care of.

On peace, it was more of the same. It is because he’s seen the ravages of war from close quarters - not from the comfort of his sitting room, he reminded his audience - that he’s determined to do his bit and more to bring peace to the region and the world at large. And then, in a masterstroke guaranteed to melt the hearts of the skeptics gathered there, he introduced a personal element - his eldest son, he said, is named after his best friend who died in war. So how could anyone doubt his commitment to peace, was the unspoken question?

The 250-strong audience seemed to lap it up. So much so that when the mask slipped and the general reverted to form to retort, “If we are enemies, how can we do business together? Nations are like individuals. If we are killing each other, how can you expect other interests to bring us together” (in response to a question from an Indian member of the audience as why he does not do more to promote trade and economic relations with India), few seemed to see that as an example of doublespeak. Or sympathise with the bold Roshana Zafar from Pakistan when she asked the general why if he was so committed to democracy, he did not allow true multi-party democracy in his country.

At the end of the more than hour-long breakfast, Musharraf, it seemed had bowled over his audience. Yet again.

goodperson
Oh ! Shamraz Khan moderator earlier of now closed Pakistan forum nice to see you here.
lahorekigaliya
dont be ruffled by this debate.....tolerance for views is much appreciated.
wiseking
QUOTE(lahorekigaliya @ Jan 31 2006, 12:30 PM)
dont be ruffled by this debate.....tolerance for views is much appreciated.
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whatever man. people like anwar mooraj are just hypocritical bastards who have nothing better to do than sit around and think of lame topics to write about so that they get their weekly check. thats all. this is the reason why musharraf and shaukat aziz have been working 12 hour days for the past four years, trying tirelessly to promote pakistan as a safe investment. tell anwar mooraj to stick this in his daandi and smoke it!


Friday, January 27, 2006

190 percent hike in foreign investment

ISLAMABAD: Total foreign investment in the country increased by 190 percent in the first six months of the current financial year to $1.462 billion compared to $504.3 million in the same period of the last fiscal.

According to official data, the foreign direct investment (FDI) witnessed an increase of 147 percent from July to December 2005 and stood at $1.103 billion compared to $445 million in the same period of 2004.

Portfolio investment increased to $359.3 million in the first six months of this fiscal from $59.3 million in the same period of the last fiscal, an increase of 505 percent.

Total investment from US stood at $467.2 million including $236.7 million FDI. The inflow of investment from UAE stood at $74.3 million out of which the FDI was $36.2. FDI from Germany was $24.7 million while FDI from Hong Kong was $14.3 million.

The highest amount of $267.1 million came from Saudi Arabia in the first six months of the current fiscal.
PakiPatriot
how old is this kid?
abhiinalwar
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Cheerup all you Indian and Pakistani now you can say atleast world is talking about India and China CLAPING.GIF CLAPING.GIF

Everyone in Davos have seen India show and 'India everywhere' and now Bush openly admit that they are getting tough competion from India and China in annual labour meet 2006.

Souce: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtl...ne/13759252.htm


http://ia.rediff.com/money/2006/feb/01us.htm

May be some day Pakistan would come also as leader in economic,trade etc...... sad.gif
karachikasher
Pakistan is losing ground




By Shahid Javed Burki


DURING his recent visit to Washington, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz spoke repeatedly about the openness of the economy he and his economic team manage. “We are perhaps the developing world’s most open economy,” he told his audiences. “You can come and invest whatever you wish and wherever you wish. You can take 100 per cent or 0 per cent share in the company in which you wish to invest. It is your choice, not the government’s.” In that respect, Pakistan is South Asia’s most open economy, certainly more than that of India. But India is on the move.

A day after Aziz’s final public appearance in the United States’ capital, the cabinet in India took the decision to open that country’s large retail sector to foreign participation. “Consent to permit 51 per cent foreign investment in single brand retail operations was the most striking among a package of measures aimed at signalling the Indian government’s determination to kick start a stalled programme of economic reforms,” wrote the Financial Times about the new Indian initiative.

This was a modest level of opening and it came with several restraints. In announcing the decision by his government, Kamal Nath, the Indian commerce minister said that “companies will be allowed to sell goods sold internationally under a single brand. Retailers of multiple brands, even if they are made by the same company, will not be allowed.”

Constraints notwithstanding, foreign retailers including Wal-Mart, the world’s largest, are lining up to move into India. The new Indian policy, considerably more restricted than the one followed across the country’s northern border — in Pakistan — will still lead to large foreign investment in the sector. Foreign companies, while not totally delighted by the small Indian gesture, are likely to move into the country with billions of dollars of investment. Why are foreigners so eager to go to India but reluctant to come to Pakistan?

One answer is the larger size of the Indian market. In 2005 the size of the Indian retail market was estimated at $258 billion and, according to Technopak, a consulting firm, it is set to grow to $411 billion within five years. The sector is currently dominated by nine million “mom and pop corner stores.” India is admittedly large and becoming larger, but Pakistan is small only by comparison to its neighbour. Otherwise it offers a large and rapidly expanding market. It should also attract foreign interest and investment.

One of the points the prime minister repeatedly underscored in his speeches was the size of the Pakistani middle class. He didn’t offer any numbers but those are not hard to estimate. If by the “middle class” is meant the segment of the population that has the disposable income to spend on the products large retailers would like to sell, then a third of Pakistan’s population of 156 million falls into that category. That means 52 million people with combined incomes of $78 billion and a per capita income of $1,500. If these people spend 20 per cent of their income on goods that large retail shops would be interested in putting on their shelves, this means a market of $16 billion. This is probably increasing at the rate of 10 per cent a year and will, by 2010, amount to $23 billion.

Given the size and openness of the Pakistani economy, why are foreigners not attracted to the country? Why has India become such a flavour of the day and why does Pakistan continue to be shunned by foreign investors? Why aren’t foreign investors attracted by the attributes Prime Minister Aziz kept referring to in his many speeches. I have attempted to answer this question in previous articles. I will go over some new ground today.

A commentator in a letter written to this newspaper in response to some of my earlier writings about India said that I was taken in by Indian propaganda and was ignoring the Indian reality. He couldn’t have been more off-base in his reaction. Let me briefly recount as to what is really happening with respect to foreign investors’ interest in our neighbour by offering some concrete examples.

In the space of a few days in December 2005, three of the biggest companies in the United States — JP Morgan Chase, Intel, and Microsoft — announced plans to create a total of more than 7,500 jobs in high value areas such as research and development and processing complex derivative trades. As a newspaper commentator wrote: “But for those worried about sluggish job creation by the US economy there was a snag. The jobs would all be in India. Worse, they would be jobs that in the past would have been in the US.”

What is even more important and impressive from the Indian perspective is the fact that some of these companies have decided to bet their future on India. Under JP Morgan’s plan, 20 per cent of the global workforce of its investment bank will be in India by the end of 2007. HSBC, one of the world’s largest banks operating out of London, has similar plans with regard to its requirement for financial skills. In an entirely different field — computer sciences and IT services — companies such as Microsoft, IBM, Intel, AMD, plan to locate significant parts of their research operations in India. What attracts them most to India is the quality of human resource available in that country. For foreign companies the attractions of India are not just costs — which industry analysts estimate at about 40 per cent below US levels — but also the quality of staff being produced by Indian universities.

According to Veronique Weill, head of operations at JP Morgan’s investment bank, “the quality of people we hire (in India) is extraordinary and their level of loyalty to the company unbeatable.” One of the many areas in which public policy continues to fail in Pakistan — a subject to which I will return momentarily — is the inability of the educational system to produce in significant numbers the same quality of people graduating from India’s science and technology institutions.

What is most troubling for Pakistan is that it is losing ground not only to India, a country that also has a large and young population. It does not even figure in the “back-up” plans drawn up by foreign corporations for addressing growing shortage of skills in their home countries. According to one knowledgeable analyst, “to avoid being too concentrated in one country, JP Morgan is already looking at other potential off-shoring locations mainly in Eastern Europe, but also China and the Philippines.” How can Pakistan get on the corporate maps of America and Europe? Why has public policy failed in that respect?

The most difficult problem Pakistan faces is the perception about it being the epicentre of Islamic extremism on the verge of an explosion in both political and social areas. Not only that, many influential voices in the United States in particular, are not convinced that Islamabad is doing all that is needed to put down Islamic extremists.

In an editorial the day after Prime Minister Aziz left town, The Washington Post not only advocated unilateral US action against extremists if Islamabad failed to act on its own. It resorted to name calling. Calling President Pervez Musharraf, “a meretricious military ruler,” it advised the administration of President George W. Bush that “if targets can be located, they should be attacked — with or without General Musharraf’s cooperation.”

The newspaper had a long list of complaints against the Pakistani leader. “Gen Musharraf has never directed his forces against the Pushtun militants who use Pakistan as a base to wage war against American and Afghan forces across the border. He has never dismantled the Islamic extremist groups that carry out terrorist attacks against India. He has never cleaned up the Islamic madressahs that serve as breeding grounds for suicide bombers. He has pardoned and protected the greatest criminal proliferators of nuclear weapons technology in history, A.Q. Khan, who aided Libya, North Korea and Iran. And he has broken promises to give up his military office or return Pakistan to democracy.”

If the visit by the prime minister was meant to change some influential minds about the way they view his country, it cannot be counted as a great success. The Post’s editorial could not be seen as a ringing endorsement of a country in which American corporations could do business. This segment of opinion-makers in Washington was not prepared to recognize that by following mindlessly the American dictat, President Musharraf’s regime — in fact any regime in Pakistan — could not expect to stay in power by totally alienating its own people. It was also ironical that even after the occupation of Iraq and the use of lethal force against the insurgency in that country, the US was not able to capture or kill Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant. It expected Pakistan to do that with respect to Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri with considerably smaller resources and in much more difficult terrain.

While improving Pakistan’s image with respect to its participation in the struggle against Islamic extremism is not fully in Islamabad’s control, what it could do is to measurably improve the quality of its human resource. Here the public policy continues to fail in spite of the large amounts of new money committed to investment in higher education and skill development. Much of the effort under President Musharraf has been directed towards the use of public funds to open new avenues for advance education for Pakistani students.

Only time will tell whether this initiative will bear fruit. What the government could have done but didn’t do was to establish new institutions or significantly improve those that are already operating in a few areas where Pakistan could carve out a place for itself. An approach that was built on public-private partnership would have been very helpful in this area of human resource development.

Some specific initiatives could still be taken. The government could invite the private sector to establish some institutions of excellence — for instance a health sciences institute in Lahore, an advance engineering and technology institute in Karachi, an urban planning institute at Hyderabad, a small scale engineering institute at Muzaffarabad, a transport institute at Peshawar, a banking and finance institute at Islamabad, and an agricultural sciences institute at Faisalabad.

These are some examples of the kinds of initiatives the state should take to avail itself of the advantage of a large and young population that could bring immense economic benefits to the country. In not developing such a strategy Pakistan is rapidly losing ground to other populous countries. It is still not too late to plan for the future and make a real attempt to move forward.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/01/31/op.htm#1

HAIDER ICBM
The above article by Shahid Burki is the worst example of journalism. I just read the whole thing and in the end I was spinning in circles. He has just taken too many words to prove his point. Moreover, he is asking questions from himself repeatedly. I could have written the whole article in 1/3 rd of the space that he took.

HAIDER ICBM
The above article by Shahid Burki is the worst example of journalism. I just read the whole thing and in the end I was spinning in circles. He has just taken too many words to prove his point. Moreover, he is asking questions from himself repeatedly. I could have written the whole article in 1/3 rd of the space that he took.

OneLove
I do not see anything factually wrong in that article..
Brainy
QUOTE(OneLove @ Feb 4 2006, 03:40 PM)
I do not see anything factually wrong in that article..
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Mark Sien
QUOTE(OneLove @ Feb 4 2006, 10:40 AM)
I do not see anything factually wrong in that article..
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The wrong cannot see the wrong.
Kabira
Mr. Musharaf went to Davos to get slice of world FDI for Pakistan. Indians went to Davos to get slice of FDI for India.

India and Pakistan lag behind the developed countries and I think it is time economies of South Asia attract investment from abroad and move forward.
HAIDER ICBM
Can someone post figures for FDI inflows to developed countries (World Total) ???
must7
some of the biggest names in the world are present here. pakistan has taken full advantage of this by marketing itself as a country that is not anything like its image.

Exactly the opposite of the image which we see of Pakistan in Bharat Rakshak !
Brainy
QUOTE(ThoughtomatioN @ Feb 5 2006, 05:58 PM)
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Easy now. If your going to type that long of a post...it wouldn't hurt to add the remaining letters.
must7
FDI & other details related to Pakistan.


http://www.economist.com/countries/Pakista...ofile-FactSheet

Factsheet
Jan 11th 2006
From the Economist Intelligence Unit
Source: Country ViewsWire


Annual data 2005(a) Historical averages (%) 2001-05
Population (m) 156.4 Population growth 2.0
GDP (US$ bn; market exchange rate) 110.7 Real GDP growth 5.0
GDP (US$ bn; purchasing power parity) 375.8 Real domestic demand growth 4.7
GDP per head (US$; market exchange rate) 708 Inflation 5.2
GDP per head (US$; purchasing power parity) 2,403 Current-account balance (% of GDP) 1.6
Exchange rate (av) PRs:US$ 59.6 FDI inflows (% of GDP) 0.8
(a) Economist Intelligence Unit estimates.

More economic data
Background: The Islamic Republic of Pakistan was founded in 1947. East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, seceded in 1971. Since independence Pakistan has suffered a series of military coups. The latest took place in October 1999 when, after two years in power, the government of Nawaz Sharif was overthrown. The chief of army staff, General Pervez Musharraf, became the chief executive of Pakistan and, in June 2001, the president. A parliamentary election took place in October 2002, and in November Zafarullah Jamali became prime minister. Under pressure from General Musharraf, he resigned in June 2004 and was replaced in August by the finance minister, Shaukat Aziz. General Musharraf remains president and army chief.

Political structure: The prime minister heads the cabinet, but the president chairs the powerful National Security Council, which comprises military chiefs and cabinet members. The president can also dismiss the prime minister, the cabinet and the parliament. The lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, was elected in October 2002 for a five-year term, but has been frequently adjourned as a result of protests by the opposition over the legality of General Musharraf's changes to the political system. An election to the Senate (the upper house), where all four provinces have equal representation, was held in February 2003. Provinces are represented in the National Assembly according to the size of their population.

Policy issues: The government is continuing with the economic and institutional reforms initiated by the pre-October 2002 military government, but progress has slowed. The civilian government appears less committed than the military establishment to improving accountability and cracking down on corruption. The government has promised to pursue a five-year plan to revive the economy and boost foreign inflows. Long-term stabilisation will depend on speeding up the privatisation programme, export expansion and maintaining inflows of remittances through official channels.

Taxation: Income tax was lowered in the fiscal year 2005/06 (July-June) budget, with the highest rate falling from 35% to 30%. The lowest rate also fell, from 7.5% to 3.5%. In addition, corporate tax rates fell. Although the rate paid by public companies remained unchanged, at 35%, the rate of tax on company profits fell from 43% to 37%, and that on bank profits was reduced from 47% to 38%. Non-residents are exempt from tax on income earned from government securities and stocks.

Foreign trade: Merchandise exports (fob) stood at US$13.4bn and imports (fob) at US$16.7bn in 2004, resulting in a trade deficit of US$3.4bn.

Bhangees ki maaa
QUOTE(wiseking @ Jan 28 2006, 12:30 AM)
manmohan singh with his towel head


I sometimes read this forum but don't say anything because I know Indians are not welcome. So I keep my mouth shut. you guys feel what you do and its not for me to argue or whatever. However, I am compelled to respond to this.

I live in the US and have suffered considerable abuse at the hands of those extreme right wing americans who would wear "Nuke Iraq" T shirts. after 9/11 a lot of anti muslim anti brown sentiment came up here and I constantly fought back agains anti muslim and bigotry in respect to all my muslim friends in India and my pakistani room-mate.

The most common insult thrown at me personally and at muslims in general was "towel head" in reference to the turban. It was said here with viciousness and enjoyed greatly, spat out at us who come from cultures that have the pagri.

It is disturbing to have an angry hateful right wing american spit "towelhead camel f####" in my face. Now to see that we desis have taken their insults that they throw at us and started using them against ourselves?

Do not forget that the first person killed in america after 9/11 was a sikh man with a family who was killed because the stupid bigot only saw a "towelhead".

Further, I am confused how you can ridicule somebody as a towelhead when your own culture and elders wore turbans. have you become so advanced and westernized that you mock and ridicule your own heritage? There was a time that a man's pagri symbolized his dignity. Ok, you don't care. thats ok. But are you going to join the worst of the anti desi bigots in ridiculing your own heritage?

If you hate manmohan singh because you hate India or because you just hate him personally, want to mock him, make fun of him, you carry right on.

But for a desi to mock him or any other desi anywhere as a towelhead is disgraceful. shame on you.
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