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India's economic report card







By Kaushik Basu

Professor of economics, Cornell University



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India's per capita income is a tad higher than sub-Saharan Africa's
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For non-economists the World Development Indicators (WDI), published annually by the World Bank, must seem like a cure for insomnia. It is long, is written on large-format paper, crammed with numbers and consists of very few words.



But, as an economist, I find the WDI to be a very valuable source book.

The paucity of words means I need have no fear of being burdened with somebody's expert opinion (and can merely inflict mine on you). While impressionistic writings and generalisations have their role, and pure statistics has its own risks, the latter often helps us cut through popular hype to see economic reality as it is.



The recently released WDI 2006 is a wonderful document for evaluating cross-country performance. This column's focus being what it is, let us begin with South Asia.



Sobering


Given the huge positive press that India has received in recent times, it is sobering to discover that India's per capita income is just a shade higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and about one-sixth that of Latin America.

Equally surprising is that 35% of India's population lives on less than $1 a day, which is comparable to Bangladesh's 36% and much worse than Pakistan's 17% and Sri Lanka's 6%. laugh.gif





http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifWhat then is the basis of optimism for India?



It has everything to do with change.



To check this out statistically I pulled out WDI 1998 from my shelf. This gives data for mainly 1996 and so is unaffected by the East Asian crisis which started in 1997.

In 1996, India had a per capita income of $380 laugh.gif , Pakistan $480, Bangladesh $260 and Sri Lanka $740.



Compare these with the figures in the latest WDI (which pertain to 2004).

India's per capita income has risen to $620 and has overtaken Pakistan's $600; and the relative gap with Sri Lanka, which now has a per capita income of $1010, has narrowed. Bangladesh which currently has a per capita income of $440 has grown reasonably well and so has lost out with India more marginally.



Exaggeration




How does India's growth compare with the world beyond South Asia?




The recent cover story on the Indian economy in Time magazine repeats what is common wisdom, to wit, that over the last three years India has achieved "the second fastest [growth] rate in the world".



The WDI allows us to check the veracity of this statistically. And this common wisdom turns out to be an exaggeration. laugh.gif



If we take the national income growth rate over the period 2000-04, with an annual growth rate of 6.2% India was not second but the 17th fastest-growing nation in the world.



If we take a longer period, 1990 to 2004, India moves up to being the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world, behind China, Vietnam and Mozambique.



And if we take an even longer view - from 1980 to now, India does indeed come second, behind China and virtually tying with Vietnam. laugh.gif

So what India has excelled in is sustained growth. It is this that has given rise to hope. And, combined with the vibrancy of democracy and the successes of higher education in India, this has led some commentators to argue that its future augurs even better than China's.



Inequality


One worrying feature that could cause political instability and jeopardise this bullish forecast - and much of South Asia shares this anxiety - is the problem of poverty and inequality.

Much has been written about this but again some statistical fact checking sheds new light.

Inequality in South Asia is large but not as large as in much of the rest of the world.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4181...pakhomeless.jpg Even smaller inequality means much greater hardship for the poor in South Asia



Let us consider the ratio of income earned by a country's richest 10% and the poorest 10%. The ratio for India is 7.3. That is, the richest 10% of the population is a little over seven times as rich as the poorest 10%.

All South Asian nations have similar ratios.

This is a lot of inequality but not as much as in China which has a ratio of 18.4 or the United States 15.7.

The problem with South Asia is that, being poor, even this smaller inequality means much greater hardship for the poor and this is what is feeding various kinds of rebellious movements in the region.

This will be one of the most formidable challenges confronting India over the next decade if it is to live up to its promise.

The difficulty arises from the fact that the rising inequality is largely a concomitant of globalisation and, hence, for a single country to take action against this is to take the risk of a pathological backlash on the economy.

To try to cap high-end income, as some have naively suggested, will cause the flight of skilled citizenry and capital to other nations and will exacerbate poverty.

To wantonly subsidise the poor or to dole out largesse will cause fiscal bankruptcy, which will make the problem worse in the long run.

The focus will have to be on creating private-sector jobs with the complementary use of a few well-directed subsidies. This is not a matter of sloganeering and populist pronouncements but will require a combination of scientifically designed policy interventions that reach out to the poor without damaging market incentives and the entrepreneurial spirit.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5116596.stm

taken from:Pakistaniforces,com
john
PAKISTANI are jealous, We Will go to Moon laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

We Are Future Superpower!!! laugh.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif

We have the largest number of banana eating monkeys! (wow, india finally number 1 in something!)
SCB1800
All the time we've been hearing about India the future superpower, to be developed in 2020, going to moon, etc etc.. The indian government has been pretty good so far hiding their 700 million without toilets and 400 million below poverty line. Its time for the world to know more about the state of the world's next superpower. In case of Pakistan, they've been pretty quick to point out the figures, which are in right around bhindia's in most cases.
mani
In the UK every year when they do charity shows they ask the public for money to send India

So much for being a superpower
john
QUOTE(mani @ Jun 27 2006, 05:57 PM) [snapback]774548[/snapback]

In the UK every year when they do charity shows they ask the public for money to send India

So much for being a superpower


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also dont forget all the international charity give to India by IMF, some super power ...
crazyinsane105
Hope this is a wake up call to those Indian politicians who are big for an increased defense budget. wacko.gif
Krad
Hmmm....the starter of this thread seems to have ignored the paragraph right below what he highlighted:

In 1996, India had a per capita income of $380 laugh.gif , Pakistan $480, Bangladesh $260 and Sri Lanka $740.

Compare these with the figures in the latest WDI (which pertain to 2004).

India's per capita income has risen to $620 and has overtaken Pakistan's $600; and the relative gap with Sri Lanka, which now has a per capita income of $1010, has narrowed. Bangladesh which currently has a per capita income of $440 has grown reasonably well and so has lost out with India more marginally.





And if India's per capita GNP is just a tad higher than sub saharan Africa's...so I might add....is all its neighbours including pakistan according to this report.
ABBASIA
QUOTE(Krad @ Jun 27 2006, 11:40 PM) [snapback]774601[/snapback]

Hmmm....the starter of this thread seems to have ignored the paragraph right below what he highlighted:

In 1996, India had a per capita income of $380 laugh.gif , Pakistan $480, Bangladesh $260 and Sri Lanka $740.

Compare these with the figures in the latest WDI (which pertain to 2004).

India's per capita income has risen to $620 and has overtaken Pakistan's $600; and the relative gap with Sri Lanka, which now has a per capita income of $1010, has narrowed. Bangladesh which currently has a per capita income of $440 has grown reasonably well and so has lost out with India more marginally.

And if India's per capita GNP is just a tad higher than sub saharan Africa's...so I might add....is all its neighbours including pakistan according to this report.


Pakistan's per capita this year is $847 higher than India's per capita income, traditionally Pakistan has always been richer than India over our post independance history.With our GDP re-basing being carried out this year we may touch and cross 900$ in next fiscal year.
nitin jindal
QUOTE(ABBASIA @ Jun 28 2006, 01:59 AM) [snapback]774616[/snapback]

Pakistan's per capita this year is $847 higher than India's per capita income, traditionally Pakistan has always been richer than India over our post independance history.With our GDP re-basing being carried out this year we may touch and cross 900$ in next fiscal year.


I am not an expert on economics. But my guess is one economic indicator is not enough to conclude that one country is richer than another. So try not to get fooled by yourself.

nitin


ABBASIA
QUOTE(nitin jindal @ Jun 28 2006, 01:31 AM) [snapback]774626[/snapback]

I am not an expert on economics. But my guess is one economic indicator is not enough to conclude that one country is richer than another. So try not to get fooled by yourself.

nitin


Speaking in context of Pakistan and India, every one knows that average Pakistanis are richer than Indian and more well to do, and also the economic data speaks of itself.
mani
One thing I do not understand is how the poverty standard is worked out

I was under the impression that for third world countries if the person id living under a dollar a day he is living in poverty

according to western sources a third of pakistanis are starving and a quarter of Indians

but according to the above info less than a fifth of pakistanis are starving and more than a third of Indians ar starving

nitin jindal
QUOTE(ABBASIA @ Jun 28 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]774628[/snapback]

Speaking in context of Pakistan and India, every one knows that average Pakistanis are richer than Indian and more well to do, and also the economic data speaks of itself.


Can you elaborate the economic data.
Investor
Hi Guys,

I am settled in Europe and run my own quit large retail business, with several outlets. I purchase my products from several countries including Pakistan and India.

Since I travel a lot to these countries because of my business I can tell you that the first time I went to India I was shocked and horrified by the living conditions of the common man. Yes there is a lot of serious poverty in Pakistan, but compared with India, the common man in Pakistan is living like a king ( pardon my exaggeration. It is just to prove a point)
nitin jindal
I think we need better evidence than relying on one man's personal experience.

no offence intended.

nitin
Hellraiser006
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according to western sources a third of pakistanis are starving and a quarter of Indians



first of all no-one starves in Pakistan, theymay do in india but not in pakistan,

secondly, latest figures show poverty in pakistan is down to around 23% less than a quarter.

so this is all in fact your own opinion.


mani
QUOTE(Hellraiser006 @ Jun 28 2006, 05:20 AM) [snapback]774662[/snapback]

first of all no-one starves in Pakistan, theymay do in india but not in pakistan,

secondly, latest figures show poverty in pakistan is down to around 23% less than a quarter.

so this is all in fact your own opinion.



By starving i meant living below the poverty line

This is not my opinion

pakistan

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html

India

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html

The above figures are obviously wrong Paks poverty rate should be 17%

Indias should be 35% based on the population living on less than a dollar a day

So how does the west calculate poverty

john
QUOTE(Investor @ Jun 28 2006, 04:59 AM) [snapback]774659[/snapback]

Hi Guys,

I am settled in Europe and run my own quit large retail business, with several outlets. I purchase my products from several countries including Pakistan and India.

Since I travel a lot to these countries because of my business I can tell you that the first time I went to India I was shocked and horrified by the living conditions of the common man. Yes there is a lot of serious poverty in Pakistan, but compared with India, the common man in Pakistan is living like a king ( pardon my exaggeration. It is just to prove a point)


nicely said
SCB1800
mani, I suggest you do not get your information from CIA website. They're extremely outdated with some information being as old as 5 years.
mani
QUOTE(SCB1800 @ Jun 28 2006, 07:54 AM) [snapback]774709[/snapback]

mani, I suggest you do not get your information from CIA website. They're extremely outdated with some information being as old as 5 years.


Bro you are right it is outdated

but the point i was trying to get across is how is the poverty calculated because some one was saying its at 23%

I was under the impression that its calculated by the people living under a dollar a day are classed as under the poverty line


if the above is correct it should be 17%


Arms for Peace
Poverty is calculated by pruchasing power parity. For example a dollar in India would go a long way but a dollar in the USA is like a packet of crisps. When it comes to real terms, a pakistani peasant labourer with no land of his own does have a house to live in and he would get around 5,000 rupees. This is enough for him to buy food in the villages and free education is being worked on by the government. The only problem is the Jahil landowners try to stop this education and the corrupt governmant officials who pocket all the development money. Pakistan does not have a problem with money at the moment. The implementation of the development plan is not beig carried out.

In India, their is a shortage of money which means the governmant cannot spend money on the people. The problem is also a social one with only priveleged classes specified by race getting all the development benefits. Corruption is many times greater than Pakistan as clarified by the world transparency board. The average labourer in India has to live in a mud hut and his income is not enough to buy food for the family. Those poor people have to live on rats instead. The Indian problem can only be solved by s complete system change which is needed in both Pakistan and India.

We can come to the conclusion that life for people in both countries is bad but it is much better in Pakistan.
ahmedrahmaan
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The problem is also a social one with only priveleged classes specified by race getting all the development benefits. Corruption is many times greater than Pakistan as clarified by the world transparency board.



Bro I donot agree with you on this . Pakistan is more corrupt than India for as long as the survey has been conducted by Transparency International. If you have any other sources please provide

http://ww1.transparency.org/cpi/2005/cpi2005.sources.en.html


The surveys go all the way back to 1995 and all of them rank Pakistan below India
crazyinsane105
QUOTE(ahmedrahmaan @ Jun 28 2006, 02:05 PM) [snapback]774782[/snapback]

Bro I donot agree with you on this . Pakistan is more corrupt than India for as long as the survey has been conducted by Transparency International. If you have any other sources please provide

http://ww1.transparency.org/cpi/2005/cpi2005.sources.en.html
The surveys go all the way back to 1995 and all of them rank Pakistan below India


Yeah under Bhutto Pakistan was the second most corrupt country in the world for example. wacko.gif
Krad
Look fellas. I was careful to say "according to this report" blah blah blah...

Fact of the matter is that the information changes as you go from source to source.

Someone said that Pakistan's GNP per capita is 850 dollars and not 600....well again this is due to different sources and methodologies in coming to this figure.

This is why it is useful to keep the source consistant...and even then....you have to know the limitations of using such information and making cross-country comparisons...
USAM
Forget CIA website try IMF and World Bank websites which i think put Pakistan pet captia income more than India.
chandrahass
QUOTE(Investor @ Jun 28 2006, 04:29 PM) [snapback]774659[/snapback]

Hi Guys,

I am settled in Europe and run my own quit large retail business, with several outlets. I purchase my products from several countries including Pakistan and India.

Since I travel a lot to these countries because of my business I can tell you that the first time I went to India I was shocked and horrified by the living conditions of the common man. Yes there is a lot of serious poverty in Pakistan, but compared with India, the common man in Pakistan is living like a king ( pardon my exaggeration. It is just to prove a point)



No offence but if the living condition is so pathetic in india as you said then why people from pakistan as well as europe head to india for medical treatments like Heart related diseases and cancer ???

And what make Europe , US , Japan and other companies to come and make india a HOT IT HUB , you talk of IT and you talk of India

Stop dalsely alleging indian living conditions


in pakistan a pakistani may be king good for him , but same here pal , so bettre don't start any unneccessary Flames
vvvaidya29
QUOTE(Investor @ Jun 28 2006, 04:59 AM) [snapback]774659[/snapback]

Hi Guys,

I am settled in Europe and run my own quit large retail business, with several outlets. I purchase my products from several countries including Pakistan and India.

Since I travel a lot to these countries because of my business I can tell you that the first time I went to India I was shocked and horrified by the living conditions of the common man. Yes there is a lot of serious poverty in Pakistan, but compared with India, the common man in Pakistan is living like a king ( pardon my exaggeration. It is just to prove a point)



mr.investor,dont look at only negetive points.look at the positive points also.dont u know the world economic reports mentioned that india has the largest numbers of billinears than any asian country.besides i will tell u why the poverty is seen in the cities.indian ppl from rural india are more attracted towards urban india.everybody feels that he should leave his village and go and settle in big citis like bombay,delhi etc.finally who get the burden?cities.if ppl from all over india keeps on coming and gathering in cities its not possible to give all of them house,job,food.thats why our govt.always campaigns to rural ppl that stay in village,concentrate on agriculture or small scale industries for which govt.has scheames offering them loans for it like jawaharlal nehru rozgaar yojana.but no,everybody is blined by the shining lights of cities.and Mr.investor,finally,if india is so poor then ask lollywood ppl(pakistan film industry)where they would like to see themsalves.in india or pakistan?where they will feel as a king or queen?
_kiLLuminati_
Refer to the Economic Surveys for the most accurate (and official) figures.
SCB1800
QUOTE(chandrahass @ Jun 29 2006, 02:41 AM) [snapback]774958[/snapback]

No offence but if the living condition is so pathetic in india as you said then why people from pakistan as well as europe head to india for medical treatments like Heart related diseases and cancer ???

And what make Europe , US , Japan and other companies to come and make india a HOT IT HUB , you talk of IT and you talk of India



Since when did people from Europe come to India for treatment? Mate, if it would've happened then we would've heard about it about a thousand times now. And as for people from Pakistan, it doesn't happen very often. Very few come every year.

And as for those companies coming to your motherland bharat, its mainly due to cheap labour and overpopulation. Besides, IT is not going to help you get rid of the 400 million below poverty line and 700 million without toilets.


QUOTE
Stop dalsely alleging indian living conditions
in pakistan a pakistani may be king good for him , but same here pal , so bettre don't start any unneccessary Flames


Perhaps you should tell that to your indian friends who are much more stronger in spreading propaganda against Pakistan and creating a false image across the world.
ooo
Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Japanese do come to India for "medical tourism"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3149454.stm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthca...caltourism.html
as you are from canada a link from cbc
john
QUOTE(ooo @ Jun 29 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]775097[/snapback]

Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Japanese do come to India for "medical tourism"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3149454.stm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthca...caltourism.html
as you are from canada a link from cbc



no gora will go to India for treatment, only cheap Indians who make $7/hr are the ones who go to india, cause they cant come up that much money here.

applepie
I should educate you once again.

The $1/day varrier is the definition of "absolute poverty", thats a UN definition. According to the BBC report, c. 35% of Indians live at that level, and 17% of Pakistanis. That is to say they "starve" ect.

Per capita income in the 2 nations is very close in nominal terms, in PPP terms India is higher. This means that a dollar buys more in India then in Pakistan. Ie if both states have PCI of $700 (example), that'll get you $3000 worth of stuff in India (US prices) and $2200 in Pakistan.

India's problem is that the wealth disparity is greater. Thus whilst having a PPP higher per capita income, it also has twice the percentage of people in absolute poverty then Pakistan has.

Both nations are incredibly poor for the average man/woman.
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