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The Indians are so proud of their country doing so well. But the downturn is that poor people are killing them self because of the uncontrolled growth.

The following is a translation of an Danish article.
Source: http://www.berlingske.dk/udland/artikel:aid=759776/



130.000 Indian farmers have comitted suicide


It is is suicideseason among the Indian farmers. The debt has grown and the harvest has not yielded enough to make any payments on the debt. The suicdes are closely related to the world trade.


Subhash chose to drink the very pesticides, that put him in debt. He is the third cottonfarmer from the little Indian village of Vidrabha, who has committed suicide this year alone.


In his province of Maharastra a total of 451 farmers have have chosen this as a last resort to get out their debt and the miserable demand of their products. They are a part of a horrific statistic from the Indian Health Autorities, that show that approximately 130.000 farmers have ended their lives since 2003. This according to the Danish newspaper Information this Thursday.
The Indian agricultural economist Devinder Sharma labels the suicides as "an economic phenomenon".

- The World Bank made os remove the importrestrictions and the minimusprices of for instances cotton. but they did not secure a fair worldmarket where the farmers could sell their products. When the prices of agricultural products decrease on the world market, there is an increase in the suicides, he says.

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Hellraiser006



no problem, lets buy another aircraft carrier and become a super-power of suicidal peasents.
postman
India: government policies lead to terrible toll in rural suicides
By M. Kailash
28 April 2006

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Indebtedness, crop failure and the inability to pay back loans due to high rates of interest have led as many as 25,000 peasants in India to commit suicide since the 1990s, according to official figures. The systematic neglect of India’s multi-million peasantry, combined with the free market policies implemented by successive governments, are responsible.

On February 19, Alladi Rajkumar, a senior parliamentarian from the opposition Telugu Desam Party (TDP) in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, reported in India’s upper house of parliament that over 3,000 farmers had taken their lives during the past 22 months under the Congress-led state government. The deteriorating conditions of the peasantry were a significant factor in the defeat of the previous TDP administration.

Andhra Pradesh has become one of India’s leading areas for investment by global transnational corporations. Under both Congress and TDP governments, the state has been largely run under budgetary guidelines formulated by the US firm McKinsey, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank. While the state has been flung open to the activities of transnationals, the rural poor have been ignored. Andhra Pradesh has recorded among the highest number of peasant suicides in the country. From 1997 to January 2006, over 9,000 peasants took their lives due to the failure of cotton crops. In 2000, 22 peasants in the Kundoor district sold their kidneys to settle their debts.

The Punjab has also recorded a high rate of farmer suicides. According to state government claims, there were 2,116 cases between 1998 and 2005. Non-government organisations argue that this figure is a gross underestimate. Inderjit Jayjee of the Movement Against State Repression told the Indian Tribune on April 2: “Andana and Lehra blocks of Moonak subdivision in Sangrur alone have reported 1,360 farmer suicides between 1998 and 2005. If all of Punjab’s 138 blocks show roughly the same level of suicides, the number would exceed 40,000 for the given period.”

The suicide toll is by no means confined to these two states. The western state of Maharashtra witnessed over 250 farmer suicides in Vidarbha district during the six-month period from June 2005 to January 2006. The agriculture minister in the national Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government, Sharad Pawar, told parliament last month that cases of suicide have also been reported from Karnataka, Kerala, Gujarat and Orissa.

In an interview on November 15, 2005, with the Indian Express, Pawar stated: “The farming community has been ignored in this country and especially so over the last eight to 10 years. The total investment in the agriculture sector is going down... You will be surprised in the budgetary provision, not more than 2 percent has been allocated for agriculture, where more than 65 percent of the population works... In the last few years, the average budgetary provision from the Indian government for irrigation is less than 0.35 percent.” This neglect of irrigation, he said, forced 60 percent of agricultural areas to “depend totally on the erratic monsoon.”

During the campaign for the 2004 national elections, Congress leaders such as party president Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh, who became prime minister, shed a few crocodile tears over farmer suicides. The Congress election manifesto promised to “liberate the country from poverty, hunger and unemployment”. In practice, however, the UPA government has proven that its attitude toward the peasants is no different from its predecessor. The allocation for the agriculture in its February 28 budget was just 1 percent.

The UPA’s main policy in rural areas is the cosmetic National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (NREGS). The government has pledged that one member of every rural household will be provided with 100 days of work per year, paid just 60 rupees ($US1.33) per day. Although the scheme was part of the UPA’s so-called Common Minimum Program (CMP) during the 2004 election, its inauguration was delayed until February 2006. Moreover, while the initial estimate for the scheme was 400 billion rupees ($US9 billion) a year, the allocation in the national budget delivered on February 28 was just 117 billion rupees.

Rising debts

In 1928, a Royal Commission report on the plight of farmers under British colonial rule in India stated that the peasant lives and dies in debt. The same basic rule holds for most Indian farmers today.

The indebtedness of Indian farmers rose markedly in the 1990s following the turn by successive Indian governments to market reforms and the opening up of the Indian economy to foreign investors. Prior to 1991, 25 percent of Indian peasants were indebted. Now, according to figures provided in January by P. Sainath, the rural affairs editor of the Hindu, 70 percent of farmers in the state of Andhra Pradesh are in debt. In Punjab the figure is 65 percent, Karnataka 61 percent, and Maharashtra 60 percent.

Government actions have directly triggered the rise. According to a Reserve Bank of India report in 2003, World Bank dictates resulted in a steady decline of rural credit to small and middle peasants from government banks and cooperative societies. Lending declined from 15.9 percent in June 1990 to 9.8 percent in March 2003. This shift in government policy compelled small and middle farmers to turn to private moneylenders for loans—at exorbitant interest rates of 40 percent or more per annum—to purchase seeds, fertiliser and other agricultural inputs.

“The banks have given no loans in the past seven years,” Malla Reddy, the general secretary of the Andhra Pradesh Ryuthu Sangham (APRS), explained. “So many farmers are forced to depend on sources like these for credit. The same man advises them on what to buy and then sets the rates for the purchase.” More and more farmers have failed to earn enough to pay back their loans and so have fallen deeper and deeper into debt.

Across India, over 43.4 million Indian peasant families are deeply indebted. Small and medium peasants are the worst affected. The number of rural landless families increased to 35 percent between 1987 and 1998 and soared to 45 percent between 1999 and 2000. Between 2003 and 2005, the figure jumped dramatically to 55 percent.

At the same time, farmers have faced declining incomes. According to a Ministry of Agriculture report, the income for West Bengal paddy farmers has fallen by 28 percent since 1996-97. During the same period, the income of sugar cane growers in Uttar Pradesh had dropped 32 percent, while in Maharashtra, cane growers have lost 40 percent.

A steady decline in infrastructure investment and cuts to state subsidies, together with droughts, floods and insect infestations have contributed to the growth of rural social misery.

According to New Delhi-based agriculture economist Rahul Sharma, the cost of rural production has gone up by 300 percent since the 1990s, in large part due to government policies. In Andra Pradesh, the power tariff was increased five times between 1998 and 2003. As governments have withdrawn support for rural farmers, prices for farming equipment have skyrocketed.

Due to deregulation, the quality of seeds has declined. In the past, the Indian government regulated that the minimum germination rate for seeds had to be at least 85 percent. Following corporate pressure, the minimum rate was reduced to 60 percent.

Indian peasants have faced greater global competition due to the deregulation of agricultural markets. In 1999, the Bharatiya Janatha Party (BJP)-led Indian federal government signed a pact with the United States to grant US producers import permission for 1,429 agricultural products that were previously prevented from entering the local market.

The UPA government of Prime Minister Singh is continuing the free market restructuring of the economy. During US President George Bush’s visit to India in early March, Singh signed an agreement that further opens the agriculture sector to firms such as Monsanto.

These measures will further exacerbate the already intolerable conditions of Indian farmers.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/apr2006/suic-a28.shtml

India is definetly the next superpower..with the ruthless streak it is showing its peasants India has put its ambitions above its peoples welfare...I supose some smart indian will make a pesticide that tastes sweet and become the toast of the town and another success story like one of them Indian billionaires..Another great step for a nation that is shinning so bright that the cost in human terms is more than affordable.The trials and tribulations of wearing the mantle of superpowerhood.
hassan
buy more fighter jets go for pac 3 /buy raptor/jsf and finally you are SUPER POWER.........
macau boy
QUOTE(hassan @ Jun 29 2006, 07:57 AM) [snapback]775054[/snapback]

buy more fighter jets go for pac 3 /buy raptor/jsf and finally you are SUPER POWER.........


Yup, and they have pocket change to fly a Russian made plane out to sea and take blurry pictures of Russian made submarines on the back of a cargo ship. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
nitin jindal
QUOTE(hassan @ Jun 29 2006, 08:57 AM) [snapback]775054[/snapback]

buy more fighter jets go for pac 3 /buy raptor/jsf and finally you are SUPER POWER.........


Dude we spend less percentage than many other countries including yours on our defence. How can you make such a claim. Our defence spending increased only last few years that too due to kargil experience and enormous military building by china. We spend more percentage on health care and education than many other countries of same league. Regarding the claims of india being a super power. Who said that anyway. No sane minded indian has said that we are a super power.

nitin
SCB1800
QUOTE(nitin jindal @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]775075[/snapback]

Dude we spend less percentage than many other countries including yours on our defence. How can you make such a claim. Our defence spending increased only last few years that too due to kargil experience and enormous military building by china. We spend more percentage on health care and education than many other countries of same league. Regarding the claims of india being a super power. Who said that anyway. No sane minded indian has said that we are a super power.

nitin

Mate, many indians claim that India will be a developed country by 2020 and a superpower in a few decades after that laugh.gif laugh.gif Ok.. developed in 2020? Maybe in 2040.. but look at the conditions now. With 700 million without toilets, surely getting developed by 2020 will be an interesting task.
nitin jindal
India's problem is the delivery system. Only 5-15% of what government spends reaches the beneficiary. Now, I will not make same claims about other countries here because honestly I dont know, instead of shooting from hip.
nitin jindal
QUOTE(SCB1800 @ Jun 29 2006, 10:43 AM) [snapback]775078[/snapback]

Mate, many indians claim that India will be a developed country by 2020 and a superpower in a few decades after that laugh.gif laugh.gif Ok.. developed in 2020? Maybe in 2040.. but look at the conditions now. With 700 million without toilets, surely getting developed by 2020 will be an interesting task.


Thats a dream of every indian. Those who dare to dream are the most probable ones to succeed. And it does not mean that development means becoming rich like US and Europe. Development can mean different things to different people. Expectations of indian people have risen recently mostly due to what they have seen in china and there own economic growth. But it is always a good thing. Few years ago, Indians where contempt with 6% growth rate. But, now indian people and leaders want to grow at faster pace to realize there dream. So, tell me if it is a bad thing.

nitin
sobank
QUOTE(nitin jindal @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]775075[/snapback]

Dude we spend less percentage than many other countries including yours on our defence. How can you make such a claim. Our defence spending increased only last few years that too due to kargil experience and enormous military building by china. We spend more percentage on health care and education than many other countries of same league. Regarding the claims of india being a super power. Who said that anyway. No sane minded indian has said that we are a super power.

nitin



lol.

you really believe that. hahahahahahaha you know what its good to look beyond the figures and then judge.

atleast half a million army fighting in kashmir. What do you think is the yearly expenditure of that much army is.

your defence industry is best known for white elephants.

you have big " panga" at east, north,west and in south with tamals. These things cost lots of money.

constant upgrading of army tanks etc. not cheap.

T90's. not cheap buy either.

su30's and not any su30 we are talking about MKI version. and then after mki they are still upgraded and then keep them running also is not cheap.

Now top them all with carriers. just one day running expense should be a nightmare for your defence ministry. oh and how many time have used them .......................... none.

and then there are all the new procurements.


Look nittin face the fact. which other country do you see have a figure of 25000 suicides? Now i am not going to put all the blame on your defence expenditure but yes I am going to put all the blame on your "lets become super power" attitude.

I give you example. pakistan did not step into afghanistan until russians stepped in. we did not have political presence in afghanistan even if they were hostile before russian invasion. Can you guys say the same thing for afghanistan. you people have your nose in it even before russian invasion.

and then there is sri lanka bangladesh asam and nepal. and then kashmir. These things do cost money.

For once in your history make change. get your hands out of sri lanka, bangladesh and kashmir. make your life freaking simple. and let other people feel secure.

maybe when your head is not stuck with all the other problems, you might think about 25000 people killing themselves. These are not just 25000 people. these are 25000 families who have no one to feed them.


wake up man. Your gov. problem is fixation on wealth and power and not people. you think that you are so better than pakistan then please tell me when did we have a suicides on this magnitude. too bad you cant even play the population ratio card here.
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Any way what people trying to say is that you have your priorities all wrong.

nitin jindal
Sobank,

No country can become a super power by spending there way to prosperity. Prosperity is acheived by hard work and making tough choices now. its your own perception what indians think that they will become a superpower by just spending on defence. You cannot become a superpower by importing tech and taking lones. Why do you think we keep spending on indigenous defence projects even if they havent given satisfactory results. Because we know indigenisation is basic step to development.

Indian farmer's committed suicide because of draught condition in many parts of country and ending of subsidies to farmers in some states. It exposed them to direct market competition which they could not fight. So, I attribute suicide of farmers to bad policies and less spending on irrigation. Ofcourse money from defence can be given to irrigation, but that is debatable that are we spending on defence more than is required.

If an elected individual gets fixated on wealth and power, the people have the power and will boot him out.

Its not like we sent armed forces to our neighbours except one incident of srilanka. And regarding meddling in affairs of other countries. Even if we do meddle, its not that entire government of india gets fixated on that and no body cares about the poor. It is the foregn ministry whose job is to take care of foriegn relations. It is just that foreign relations is glamorous field. So it gets more attention in news media than say any new policy on irrigation.

nitin
Sharif Smuggler
130,000 people kill themselves in 3 years ohmy.gif that is sad. I have absolutely nothing against the baicharay poor of india and I really do hope the Indian government does more for these people. Or atleast do enough that they don't have to resort to suicide
Pak_Afaz
Nitin chindal is right India does spend less in terms of total GDP compared to others on military. Nonetheless, Nitin, wat my Pakistani brothers are sayin is that India has a strong ego when the reality is different. Now you seem to understand the situation, u seemed to understand that India is not a develop country, that india needs to do alot more, but look around, the picture your govt is givin is way different. While millions of Indians have no water your govt is managing to try to launch a man in space. While a simple man cant even dream of havin three meals a day, your gvt is dreamin of goin to the moon. While many havent even seen a TV in their whole lives, the film industry is projecting a fake ideolism of india. So this is how India has projected itself as a future Superpower wanna be. All of this willl surely get India no where. The white ruled India for centuries with force, and now nothin have changed, their still ruling India but this time is with economics. As for my-self, i wish to see a peacefull south asia, with everyone caring for each other regardless of their beliefs, race, or gender, becuse somehow i feel that we have alot more in common than we think.
FierceDragon
india shining ?
shining for what ?
for its hundreds of millions citizens living in poverty ?
those indian trash always bullshlt their "democracy",
however after 60 years of their "democracy" they
are still a filthy rat hole country.
so you trash indians gotta tell me , are your "democracy" a fake joke ?
or, simply because your kind of people a inferior race ? unsure.gif
Arms for Peace
India spending like 1% of GDP on defence is total bull. India spend much more on defence than actually stated. The other thing you need to keep in mind is that what matters is not what percentage of GDP you spend on defence but what percentage of the governments income goes to defence. We would have a better idea if you could give us the figures on government income and that spent on defence.
mani
QUOTE(Pak_Afaz @ Jun 29 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]775339[/snapback]

Nitin chindal is right India does spend less in terms of total GDP compared to others on military. Nonetheless, Nitin, wat my Pakistani brothers are sayin is that India has a strong ego when the reality is different. Now you seem to understand the situation, u seemed to understand that India is not a develop country, that india needs to do alot more, but look around, the picture your govt is givin is way different. While millions of Indians have no water your govt is managing to try to launch a man in space. While a simple man can even dream of havin three meals a day, your gvt is dreamin of goin to the moon. While many havent even seen a TV in their whole lives, the film industry is projecting a fake ideolism of india. So this is how India has projected itself as a future Superpower wanna be. All of this willl surely get India no where. The white ruled India for centuries with force, and now nothin have changed, their still ruling India but this time is with economics. As for my-self, i wish to see a peacefull south asia, with everyone caring for each other regardless of their beliefs, race, or gender, becuse somehow i feel that we have alot more in common than we think.


You should also add instead of feeding the 35% of the population they are giving aid worth 100s of millions to Nepal for ego purposes

first you should feed your own people then worry about other people
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