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People, please read this very carefully please

Here is the article written by indian newsagency Times of India

Mumbai in list of world's top-ten commercial hubs (Please look at this title carefully , more surprise will come)

PTI[ MONDAY, JUNE 18, 2007 02:00:56 PM]

MUMBAI: Mumbai is ranked tenth among the world's biggest centres of commerce in terms of the financial flow volumes by a survey compiled by Mastercard Worldwide, which takes into consideration size of financial services network besides equity, bond, derivatives and commodity contract transactions.

The list, lead by London and New York on the first two slots, include two other Asian cities - Tokyo at fifth and Seoul at sixth positions, but does not have any representation from China - another emerging Asian economy.

The other cities include Chicago, Frankfurt, Paris, Madrid and Milan.

"The Asia/Pacific, Middle East and Africa (APMEA) region boasts of three cities which got included in the premier league -- Tokyo, Seoul and Mumbai due to their high trading volumes in bonds and equities," Mastercard Worldwide said in its first Worldwide Centres of Commerce Index study.
The list is, dominated by European cities with as many as five of the top ten positions on financial flow metrics.

According to Mastercard Worldwide, the financial flow dimension is an integration of five indicators - financial services network, equity transactions, bond transactions, derivatives contracts traded and commodities contracts traded - all carrying equal weightage.

The financial services network includes the presence and intensity of global banking institutions, insurance companies and global securities companies.

"These top-ranking centres of commerce conform to the network of global financial transactions and flow; although more detailed analysis would show specialisation between the centres in areas such as bonds, derivatives and equity trading," Mastercard said.

The MasterCard study also ranked the world's top cities in terms of their performance as overall centres of commerce in the global economy, where Mumbai was at 45th position, while London, New York and Tokyo stood at the top three positions.

China got represented by three cities in the top-50 list, with Hong Kong grabbing the fifth position, Shanghai at 32nd and Beijing at 46th position. However, Mumbai was the only Indian city on the list.

This index consisted of six dimensions -- legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business, financial flow, business centre and knowledge creation and information flow.

Mumbai, however, did not figure in the individual top-ten list on the five metrics other than financial flow.
Earlier last year, a committee was set up to draw an outline to turn Mumbai into a global finance centre. The committee submitted its report in April this year and suggested fixing a 2007-2020 timeframe for the city's evolution from India's financial hub to an International Financial Centre.

MUMBAI: Mumbai has grabbed a place in the world's top ten financial flow hubs list, beating Hong Kong and Beijing in China.

The city has been ranked tenth among the world's biggest centres of commerce in terms of the financial flow volumes by a survey compiled by Mastercard Worldwide, which takes into consideration size of financial services network besides equity, bond, derivatives and commodity contract transactions.

The list, lead by London and New York on the first two slots, include two other Asian cities - Tokyo at fifth and Seoul at sixth positions, but does not have any representation from China - another emerging Asian economy.

The other cities include Chicago, Frankfurt, Paris, Madrid and Milan.

"The Asia/Pacific, Middle East and Africa (APMEA) region boasts of three cities which got included in the premier league -- Tokyo, Seoul and Mumbai due to their high trading volumes in bonds and equities," Mastercard Worldwide said in its first Worldwide Centres of Commerce Index study.

The list is, dominated by European cities with as many as five of the top ten positions on financial flow metrics.

According to Mastercard Worldwide, the financial flow dimension is an integration of five indicators - financial services network, equity transactions, bond transactions, derivatives contracts traded and commodities contracts traded - all carrying equal weightage.

The financial services network includes the presence and intensity of global banking institutions, insurance companies and global securities companies.

"These top-ranking centres of commerce conform to the network of global financial transactions and flow; although more detailed analysis would show specialisation between the centres in areas such as bonds, derivatives and equity trading," Mastercard said.

The MasterCard study also ranked the world's top cities in terms of their performance as overall centres of commerce in the global economy, where Mumbai was at 45th position, while London, New York and Tokyo stood at the top three positions.

China got represented by three cities in the top-50 list, with Hong Kong grabbing the fifth position, Shanghai at 32nd and Beijing at 46th position. However, Mumbai was the only Indian city on the list.

This index consisted of six dimensions -- legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business, financial flow, business centre and knowledge creation and information flow.

Mumbai, however, did not figure in the individual top-ten list on the five metrics other than financial flow.

Earlier last year, a committee was set up to draw an outline to turn Mumbai into a global finance centre. The committee submitted its report in April this year and suggested fixing a 2007-2020 timeframe for the city's evolution from India's financial hub to an International Financial Centre.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Mumbai...how/2130924.cms





Now let's look at other international newsagency's articles





London named world's top business centre

REUTERS
Posted online: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 at 1031 hours IST
Updated: Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 1022 hours IST





HONG KONG, JUNE 13: London is the world's top centre of commerce, according to a study by MasterCard rating leading cities by how they influence the global economy.
The British capital eclipsed second-place New York, which was held back by bond market regulations that affect the volume of listed sales, a more volatile US currency, and by a US economy that was considered to be less stable economy than Britain's economy, MasterCard said.





Tokyo came third in the inaugural MasterCard Worldwide Centres of Commerce index, ahead of Chicago. Hong Kong, ranked fifth, pipped arch-rival Singapore in sixth place because it had a better business climate and a greater volume of equity transactions.

The index, which MasterCard plans to release annually and which covers 63 cities, was compiled from research by a panel of top independent economic, urban development and social science academics from around the world.

It rated cities according to their legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business there, financial flows, standing as a business centre and as a centre of knowledge and information.

Sydney was ranked 14 while Dubai, as a regional air and cargo traffic hub and with a flexible business climate, was named the leading centre in the Middle East and ranked 37th in the index.

China's financial centre, Shanghai, was ranked 32nd while Beijing was in 46th place, one notch below India's business capital Mumbai.

MasterCard Worldwide Centres of Commerce Index: Top 10 Rankings

(scores out of a possible 100 points):

London 77.79

New York 73.80

Tokyo 68.09

Chicago 67.19

Hong Kong 62.32

Singapore 61.95

Frankfurt 61.34

Paris 61.19

Seoul 60.70

Los Angeles 59.05

Amsterdam 57.30

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financi...30cbec5&k=0


Now where is India Mumbai on top ten ??





More here. Read carefully





Flexibility and transparency make
London world’s best financial city
A survey by Mastercard
14 June 2007: London has been named as the world’s top financial centre in a survey by Mastercard. The authors praise the British capital’s stable legal and economic framework and transparent business regulations. New York City was placed second ahead of Tokyo and Chicago.

The Mastercard index of 50 cities combines six measures of commercial power including flows of finance, volumes of business and the creation and dissemination of knowledge. It was developed by a team of academics specialising in economics, business, urban studies and finance.

Key findings
• London: The world’s leading Center of Commerce. With a flexible operating environment for business, strong global financial connections and exceptionally high levels of international trade, travel and conferences, London secures the top spot in the Centers of Commerce Index. The city outperforms New York in four of the six measurement dimensions, and scores significantly higher than other European cities.

• National economic factors, market regulations place New York behind London. Once considered the unchallenged financial capital of the world, New York cedes the Financial Flow category to London primarily because bond market regulations in New York affect the volume of listed sales. New York’s score is also impacted by the less stable US economy and the more volatile US dollar.

• Finance and innovation make Chicago number two in US. The fourth-ranked center of commerce globally, topping cities such as Hong Kong and Los Angeles, Chicago’s commodities and financial markets help it rank high in financial flow, while its world-class institutions of higher education lead to high marks on innovation and knowledge creation.

• The easiest places in the world for doing business: Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. A strong national health care system, excellent infrastructure, low traffic and easy access to public transportation helped make Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver the three cities most attractive for doing business.

• Europe’s entry point for South American business, Madrid, emerges as a financial leader. Madrid ranks number 16 globally and sixth in Europe, driven largely by an exceptionally strong bond market, low inflation and low level of GDP and exchange rate variance.

• Economic divide between Eastern and Western Europe remains. The lowest ranking Western European city on the list, Rome, scores nearly equal to Budapest, the highest ranking Eastern European city, a gap that persists within all six dimensions.

• Tokyo’s powerhouse economy leads to top ranking in Asia Pacific. Tokyo, the leader in its region and number three overall, boasts the Nikkei 225, the world’s leading rate of patent creation , and an air traffic hub second only to Hong Kong.

• Three one-time “Asian Tigers” make the top ten. Hong Kong, Singapore and Seoul all rank among the top 10 Centers of Commerce, with Seoul scoring high marks for its higher education system and patent output, while Hong Kong and Singapore boast top rankings for the strength of their business climate and their prominence in the global financial network. Singapore also rates high for government policies that favor international business and trade.

• Strong business climate makes Dubai the Middle East leader. The region’s air and cargo traffic hub, Dubai, also claims a flexible business climate that makes it optimal for growing companies.

• Latin America is increasingly becoming more global and competitive. Three cities from Latin America placing among the world’s top 50 Worldwide Centers of Commerce is a strong statement of how the region continues to elevate its role in the global economy.

The world's best financial cities Rank City Score
1 London 77.79
2 New York 73.80
3 Tokyo 68.09
4 Chicago 67.19
5 Hong Kong 62.32
6 Singapore 61.95
7 Frankfurt 61.34
8 Paris 61.19
9 Seoul 60.70
10 Los Angeles 59.05
11 Amsterdam 57.30
12 Toronto 57.11
13 Boston 56.47
14 Sydney 56.26
15 Copenhagen 56.14
16 Madrid 56.06
17 Stockholm 54.51
18 San Francisco 54.36
19 Zurich 54.33
20 Atlanta 54.19
21 Miami 53.76
22 Houston 52.96
23 Washington D.C. 52.68
24 Berlin 52.24
25 Milan 52.23
26 Munich 51.85
27 Montreal 51.35
28 Vancouver 51.10
29 Brussels 51.05
30 Vienna 50.94
31 Dublin 50.72
32 Shanghai 50.33
33 Barcelona 50.15
34 Melbourne 48.89
35 Geneva 48.05
36 Bangkok 47.96
37 Dubai 46.61
38 Kuala Lumpur 45.82
39 Santiago 44.56
40 Budapest 43.75
41 Prague 43.55
42 Mexico City 43.35
43 Rome 43.18
44 Tel Aviv 43.00
45 Mumbai 42.70
46 Beijing 41.94
47 Johannesburg 41.37
48 Sao Paulo 41.14
49 Warsaw 40.56
50 Moscow 39.80

http://citymayors.com/economics/financial-cities.html


Again , where is India on top ten ?? Please help me look, I am short sighted :)




MasterCard names London world's top business centre
Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:57AM BST

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[-] Text [+] HONG KONG (Reuters) - London is the world's top centre of commerce, according to a study by MasterCard rating leading cities by how they influence the global economy.

The capital eclipsed second-place New York, which was held back by bond market regulations that affect the volume of listed sales, a more volatile U.S. currency, and by a U.S. economy that was considered to be less stable economy than Britain's economy, MasterCard said.

Tokyo came third in the inaugural MasterCard Worldwide Centres of Commerce index, ahead of Chicago. Hong Kong, ranked fifth, pipped arch-rival Singapore in sixth place because it had a better business climate and a greater volume of equity transactions.

The index, which MasterCard plans to release annually and which covers 63 cities, was compiled from research by a panel of top independent economic, urban development and social science academics from around the world.

It rated cities according to their legal and political framework, economic stability, ease of doing business there, financial flows, standing as a business centre and as a centre of knowledge and information.

Sydney was ranked 14 while Dubai, as a regional air and cargo traffic hub and with a flexible business climate, was named the leading centre in the Middle East and ranked 37th in the index.

China's financial centre, Shanghai, was ranked 32nd while Beijing was in 46th place, one notch below India's business capital Mumbai.

MasterCard Worldwide Centres of Commerce Index: Top 10 Rankings (scores out of a possible 100 points):

http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews...KG8089220070613
http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews...13?pageNumber=2



Ok so far as you can see , I am being very fair 3 articles from international newsagency , one from australia, one from UK, one from Canada. And one from the shameless Indian one.

And the results of all these articles as you can see are all from Mastercard, So I believe there is no confusion here.

So now please , tell me How shameless Indians can be. Manipulate data to flatter themselves. A so called "Reliable Newsagency" from a developed superpower can possibly lie ??

This is just unbelievable, blatant lie. This purpose of this article is to make themselves feel better. Those people are just good for nothing, talk, lie and bluff.

Yup India is a free democratic country, they don't censor the press. They only lie in the press
must7
So now please , tell me How shameless Indians can be. Manipulate data to flatter themselves. A so called "Reliable Newsagency" from a developed superpower can possibly lie ??

This is just unbelievable, blatant lie.


gun_bandana.gif Welcome to "Times of India" & "Hindustan Times" !
MirBadshah
How else you can produce a Billion over delusioned people if you dont feed them with lies and dreams of becomming a superpower, this is the only dream which is keeping then a bit less agressive otherwise they would have killed each other because of hunger.

You talk any Indian they will present you same articles and viki facts.
smegster
Actual data is available here

http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/wcoc/the_index.html

Overall ranking is based on 5 different criteria- for financial flows Mumbia is in tenth position but OVERALL it is in 45th position.

As they say Lies, Dam Lies and Statistics
Skull-Buster
QUOTE(smegster @ Jun 18 2007, 10:39 PM) [snapback]919501[/snapback]
Actual data is available here

http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/wcoc/the_index.html

Overall ranking is based on 5 different criteria- for financial flows Mumbia is in tenth position but OVERALL it is in 45th position.

As they say Lies, Dam Lies and Statistics


yea but wht abt the ToI headline :

"Mumbai in list of world's top-ten commercial hubs "
Pikes
[b]INCREDIBLE INDIA Superpower & its newspapers... my @@S W00T.GIF LOLANI.GIF stupid.gif
BhangeeNation
baltoro
Excelelnt investigative work harrypotter!
cool guy
QUOTE(harrypotter @ Jun 18 2007, 06:58 AM) [snapback]919458[/snapback]
People, please read this very carefully please

Here is the article written by indian newsagency Times of India

Mumbai in list of world's top-ten commercial hubs (Please look at this title carefully , more surprise will come)

PTI[ MONDAY, JUNE 18, 2007 02:00:56 PM]

MUMBAI: Mumbai is ranked tenth among the world's biggest centres of commerce in terms of the financial flow volumes by a survey compiled by Mastercard Worldwide, which takes into consideration size of financial services network besides equity, bond, derivatives and commodity contract transactions.


What is the lie ? Mumbai is the 10 th based on the financial flow , thats the fact.
baltoro
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 18 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]919527[/snapback]
What is the lie ? Mumbai is the 10 th based on the financial flow , thats the fact.

The author implied in the heading that Mumbai was the top-ten hub OVERALL, which it wasnt.

This is teh actual top ten list
London 77.79
New York 73.80
Tokyo 68.09
Chicago 67.19
Hong Kong 62.32
Singapore 61.95.
Frankfurt 61.34.
Paris 61.19
Seoul 60.70.
Los Angeles 59.05
Amsterdam 57.30
smegster
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 18 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]919527[/snapback]
What is the lie ? Mumbai is the 10 th based on the financial flow , thats the fact.


http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/wcoc/the_index.html


Overall- Mumbai - 45th

Legal and political framework - Mumbai 48th
Economic stability - Mumbai 45th
Ease of doing business - Mumbai 50th
Financial flows - Mumbai 10th
Business center - Mumbai 48th
Knowledge creation and information flow -Mumbai 42nd

So cool guy, you would be happy if the new headline had instead said - Mumbai is the WORST city in the world for ease of business -
From a survey conducted by Mastercard Worldwide it was found that Mumbai was at the complete bottom of the list of of world cities in terms of ease of doing business.......................THIS IS ALSO A FACT
dargay
india is already ahead of china and will catch up with the west in 15 years.

it is futile for the chinese to compare themselves with the mighty Indians.
harrypotter
QUOTE(dargay @ Jun 18 2007, 10:30 AM) [snapback]919565[/snapback]
india is already ahead of china and will catch up with the west in 15 years.

it is futile for the chinese to compare themselves with the mighty Indians.



You are absolutely right :)
yakeepi

Sounds like a money laundry heaven......
harrypotter
QUOTE(yakeepi @ Jun 18 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]919587[/snapback]
Sounds like a money laundry heaven......


What do you mean ?? Sorry I don't really get it ??
baltoro
QUOTE(dargay @ Jun 18 2007, 12:30 PM) [snapback]919565[/snapback]
india is already ahead of china and will catch up with the west in 15 years.

it is futile for the chinese to compare themselves with the mighty Indians.

15 years??? more like it already happened a decade ago, infact india is the biggest superopwer in the world.
Volcano-X
salam


lolz yea which has more mal nourished children then africa...

Wasalam

P.s bhangee is chupa powerr...LOL
builder_inadaunada
QUOTE(Volcano-X @ Jun 18 2007, 02:21 PM) [snapback]919700[/snapback]
salam
lolz yea which has more mal nourished children then africa...

Wasalam

P.s bhangee is chupa powerr...LOL


dude check your own problems first. here is a link that you guys so badly need
http://www.usd.edu/~clehmann/pop_prob/pakistan/problems.htm
baltoro
^^ no one is denying Pakistan has problems (just liek any other devloping country in the world), but the members here are merely poinitng out the fact that how some Indians claim that India is a superpower. For example the article that was written in 2005 said india will otupace China's growth by this year, which has not happened yet.

And BTW that report you posted was created by STUDENTS as a project, and was by no means an offical report of USD.
Read this page it tells you that it was created by students http://www.usd.edu/~clehmann/pop_prob/
PakSniper786
QUOTE
dude check your own problems first. here is a link that you guys so badly need
http://www.usd.edu/~clehmann/pop_prob/pakistan/problems.htm


Times change Bhangee that report "Project" was made in the Spring of 2001, it's 2007 now, LOL. Also, it was made by students, using data available to them rather doing some fresh ones.

Funny, how when the heat starts coming they start tossing a decade old article out, now they just start dragging Pakistan in to this while we talking about Indian paper lies, and none-the less its' a good catch.
baltoro
QUOTE(PakSniper786 @ Jun 18 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]919728[/snapback]
Times change Bhangee that report "Project" was made in the Spring of 2001, it's 2007 now, LOL. Also, it was made by students, using data available to them rather doing some fresh ones.

Funny, how when the heat starts coming they start tossing a decade old article out, now they just start dragging Pakistan in to this while we talking about Indian paper lies, and none-the less its' a good catch.

lol bro you literally took the words out of my mouth. look at the other trhead where this person posted the link, i posted almsst the same comments.
The figgures in the report are from the 90's and once again, the report was amde by UNDERGRAD STUDENTS.
builder_inadaunada
QUOTE(PakSniper786 @ Jun 18 2007, 02:47 PM) [snapback]919728[/snapback]
Times change Bhangee that report "Project" was made in the Spring of 2001, it's 2007 now, LOL. Also, it was made by students, using data available to them rather doing some fresh ones.

Funny, how when the heat starts coming they start tossing a decade old article out, now they just start dragging Pakistan in to this while we talking about Indian paper lies, and none-the less its' a good catch.


here is a recent one

Pakistan has been getting more than its share of headlines lately. There's the case of Mukhtaran Bibi, gang-raped three years ago, whose attackers were released from jail and her passport confiscated to keep her from traveling to the United States. The result: an international outcry and new attention to Pakistan's human rights abuses.

Meanwhile, Afghanistan is accusing Pakistan of harboring Taliban fighters. U.S. intelligence officials have hinted that Pakistan is a 'weak link' in the hunt for Osama bin Laden. There is also evidence that jihadist training camps there are flourishing.
builder_inadaunada
QUOTE(PakSniper786 @ Jun 18 2007, 02:47 PM) [snapback]919728[/snapback]
Times change Bhangee that report "Project" was made in the Spring of 2001, it's 2007 now, LOL. Also, it was made by students, using data available to them rather doing some fresh ones.

Funny, how when the heat starts coming they start tossing a decade old article out, now they just start dragging Pakistan in to this while we talking about Indian paper lies, and none-the less its' a good catch.


here is an article on washington post

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarnin...ty_highlig.html
baltoro
QUOTE(builder_inadaunada @ Jun 18 2007, 04:05 PM) [snapback]919752[/snapback]

LOL, now you start POSTING EDITORIALS(which are opinions)

But sicne you asked for it, here are some recent articles chroniclign india's growing problems

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/44299

Several human-rights organisations have conducted studies of extra-judicial killings by the police in India. A study conducted by the Asia Pacific Human Rights Network has noted that “encounter killings” are not isolated incidents but occur throughout India. They are part of a “deliberate and conscious state administrative practice” for which successive Indian governments must bear responsibility. Indeed, successive Indian governments have adopted a de facto policy of sanctioning extra-judicial killings by members of the police forces, army and security personnel, the study says."

http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=l...mp;newsid=45689
Washington, June 13 (IANS) The US has warned India to act swiftly on what it called the "world's largest human trafficking problem" involving hundreds of thousands of victims of sexual exploitation and millions of bonded labourers or face sanctions.

An annual US State Department report on human trafficking released by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Tuesday placed India for the fourth year in a row on a "Tier 2 watch list" for showing signs of failing to make improvements in tackling this "modern-day slavery".


baltoro
Poverty masks huge enterprise in Asia's biggest slum
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
print this page mail to a friend


Krittivas Mukherjee
Mumbai - Reuters

The first sight for anyone flying into India's richest city is a sea of corrugated and tarpaulin-covered roofs beside a narrow, filth-choked river.

It is an aerial view of Dharavi, considered Asia's biggest shantytown, two square km (0.8 square miles) of open sewers, muddy lanes and ramshackle tenements that is home to almost a million people.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=75563
that one made me sad :/
builder_inadaunada
QUOTE(baltoro @ Jun 18 2007, 03:10 PM) [snapback]919761[/snapback]
LOL, now you start POSTING EDITORIALS(which are opinions)

But sicne you asked for it, here are some recent articles chroniclign india's growing problems

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/44299

Several human-rights organisations have conducted studies of extra-judicial killings by the police in India. A study conducted by the Asia Pacific Human Rights Network has noted that “encounter killings” are not isolated incidents but occur throughout India. They are part of a “deliberate and conscious state administrative practice” for which successive Indian governments must bear responsibility. Indeed, successive Indian governments have adopted a de facto policy of sanctioning extra-judicial killings by members of the police forces, army and security personnel, the study says."

http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=l...mp;newsid=45689
Washington, June 13 (IANS) The US has warned India to act swiftly on what it called the "world's largest human trafficking problem" involving hundreds of thousands of victims of sexual exploitation and millions of bonded labourers or face sanctions.

An annual US State Department report on human trafficking released by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Tuesday placed India for the fourth year in a row on a "Tier 2 watch list" for showing signs of failing to make improvements in tackling this "modern-day slavery".


here is a ADB report on ur country.

http://www.adb.org/documents/reports/pover...k/chapter_3.pdf

its old but i guess nothing has changed in your country right.

baltoro
why do you keep posting stuff with datas from the 90s
PakSniper786
QUOTE(builder_inadaunada @ Jun 18 2007, 03:02 PM) [snapback]919748[/snapback]
here is a recent one

Pakistan has been getting more than its share of headlines lately. There's the case of Mukhtaran Bibi, gang-raped three years ago, whose attackers were released from jail and her passport confiscated to keep her from traveling to the United States. The result: an international outcry and new attention to Pakistan's human rights abuses.

Meanwhile, Afghanistan is accusing Pakistan of harboring Taliban fighters. U.S. intelligence officials have hinted that Pakistan is a 'weak link' in the hunt for Osama bin Laden. There is also evidence that jihadist training camps there are flourishing.



This has nothing to do what were talking about, the IAEA report has nothing to do with what were talking about,. Bhangee I'm afraid your lost. LOLANI.GIF

All, you Data is old as hell it self, tell me like Gang-rapes don't happen in India, I wonder which nation has the 2nd largest Aids population and growing each day more than wheat, which nation is still living in the largest slums, which nation still kills their un-born daughters (fetuses), taking a beach dump in Ghanga River the most dirtiest in the world, etc, now I know you don't want me to pull those up, and lets get back on topic of Indian media's pathetic lie against proven statistics.
builder_inadaunada
QUOTE(baltoro @ Jun 18 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]919773[/snapback]
why do you keep posting stuff with datas from the 90s


that article was not from the 90's it is as recent as 2002. btw this is nothing compared to what u guys say. "80% population of India poor". LOL
dargay
QUOTE(builder_inadaunada @ Jun 18 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]919704[/snapback]
dude check your own problems first. here is a link that you guys so badly need
http://www.usd.edu/~clehmann/pop_prob/pakistan/problems.htm


we are well-aware of our problems, we are trying to solve them. Unlike Indians.

It is indeed news to Pakistanis that gang-rapes dont happen in India and that everyone has human rights! No wonder India is overtaking China.
BaburMissile
Time to ban a few Indians. They come on our forums and try to teach us a lesson. They've way too much freedom to post any #### they like. A Pakistani member would only be banned for being who he is on an Indian forum. I've lately noticed an upsurge of Indians ganging up and posting crap in many threads. Mods should take notice of this.
waz
QUOTE(builder_inadaunada @ Jun 18 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]919769[/snapback]
here is a ADB report on ur country.

http://www.adb.org/documents/reports/pover...k/chapter_3.pdf

its old but i guess nothing has changed in your country right.



Shove that up your ass

Here are some stats for you that show you have the worst living standard in SOUTH ASIA!!!!!!

Pakistan beats you on many counts your nation is starving, a starving superpower!




http://devdata.worldbank.org/wdi2006/contents/Section2.htm



Pakistan’s poverty level which according to those people living under $1 a day.

17% which was 28.6% in 1993.

Under $1 a day stats for other south Asian nations

India 34.7%
Bangladesh 36%
Sri Lanka 5.6%

We have the second best poverty rate in South Asia.

Next

Crude death rate per 1000 people for Pakistan is

7

India 8
Bangladesh 8
Sri Lanka 6

So more people die in those nations for whatever reasons, again we come second best.

Wages and productivity

Minimum wage Pakistan $600

India $408
Bangladesh $492
Sri Lanka No stats

So we have the best minimum wage in South Asia

Let’s take the biggest sector that employ people which is obviously agricultural and see the agricultural wage

Pakistan it is $416

India $245
Bangladesh $360
Sri Lanka $ 264

We have the best agricultural wages in the South Asian region.

Next employment

% of urban employment in Pakistan for males is 64% Females 61%

India 51% males and 41% females
Bangladesh no stats
Sri Lanka no stats.

So that gives us the best urban employment rates.

India does however lower unemployment rates amongst the youth with 10% both sexes. Pakistan is it 12% for men and 21% for woman but that also has to do with culture, so not a great difference at all in this regard.




Next % of GDP spent on health expenditure

Pakistan spends 2.4 of GDP

India 4.8
Bangladesh 3.4
Sri Lanka 3.5

But the interesting thing is that Pakistan leads the way with the doctors per 1000 people with us having 0.7 per thousand

India 0.6
Sri Lanka 0.5
Bangladesh 0.3

Nurses and midwives per 1000 Pakistan has 1.1

India no stats
Sri Lanka 1.2
Bangladesh 0.5

So we come second in terms of trained people per 1000.

Next and perhaps the most important disease prevention, coverage and quality

We begin with access to an improved water source Pakistan it is 90%

India 86%
Sri Lanka 78%
Bangladesh 75%

So we beat everyone in South Asia when it comes to clean water to drink and access

Next we have improved access to sanitation facilities, Pakistan it is 54%


Bangladesh 48%
Sri Lanka 91%
India 30%

We come second and are improving all the time. As for all the Pakistani comments about Indians having no toilets I guess that looks the case with a shocking 30% only having access.

Next Child immunisation rate against deadly infections such as measles and DPT

Pakistan it is 67% for measles and 65% for DPT

India 56% for measles and 64% for DPT
Bangladesh 77% measles and 85% for DPT
Sri Lanka 96% measles and 97% for DPT

We come third and India bottom. But mind you our rates are not so bad but need to be in line with Sri Lanka.


Next another very important section nutrition

Pakistan the % of people who are undernourished is 23 %

India 20%
Sri Lanka 22%
Bangladesh 30%

India surprisingly comes out top but hardly with a large margin with Pakistan and Sri Lanka closely next and finally Bangladesh.

Linked closely with this is child malnutrition with Pakistan having a rate of for underweight children 37.8 % and 36.8% for stunted growth.

India underweight children is 46.7 for underweight children and 44.9% for stunted growth.

Bangladesh underweight children 47.5 for underweight children and for stunted growth 43%.

Sri Lanka underweight children 29.7 for underweight children and for stunted growth it is 1.9%.

Sri Lanka and Pakistan have the better rates easily with Lanka leading the way. Again more needs to be done.

Life expectancy at birth for Pakistan is 65

India is 64
Bangladesh 63
Sri Lanka 74

Again Pakistan and Sri Lanka lead.


By the way if you want the UNICEF stats I can give them to you as well. Our people enjoy far better living standards than your people and along with Sri Lanka lead the way in things such as health, earning money etc. Large percentages of your people live on the streets, in constant starvation, poor sanitation and the list is endless. I feel sorry that people like you are around whilst your people die, go help them instead of talking about Pakistan which is doing a far better job that is shown in the stats than you are! angry.gif



Here are other articles for you written by your fellow Indians that might put your bull to rest....




For non-economists the World Development Indicators (WDI), published annually by the World Bank, must seem like a cure for insomnia. It is long, is written on large-format paper, crammed with numbers and consists of very few words.
But, as an economist, I find the WDI to be a very valuable source book.
The paucity of words means I need have no fear of being burdened with somebody's expert opinion (and can merely inflict mine on you). While impressionistic writings and generalisations have their role, and pure statistics has its own risks, the latter often helps us cut through popular hype to see economic reality as it is.
The recently released WDI 2006 is a wonderful document for evaluating cross-country performance. This column's focus being what it is, let us begin with South Asia.
Sobering

Given the huge positive press that India has received in recent times, it is sobering to discover that India's per capita income is just a shade higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and about one-sixth that of Latin America.
Equally surprising is that 35% of India's population lives on less than $1 a day, which is comparable to Bangladesh's 36% and much worse than Pakistan's 17% and Sri Lanka's 6


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5116596.stm






India malnourishment rates worse than Africa


New Delhi, February 21: India has higher levels of malnourished children than Sub-Saharan Africa, despite the Asian giant having more funds and better infrastructure to tackle the problem, the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF) said on Wednesday.



A recent survey by the Indian Health Ministry, backed by UNICEF, has found that almost 46 per cent of children under the age of three are undernourished. About 35 per cent of children in Sub-Saharan Africa region are malnourished.

"In terms of the under-nutrition levels, certainly India is at a much higher level than the average Sub-Saharan African country," Werner Schultink, chief of child development and nutrition for UNICEF in India, told a news conference

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?...81788#compstory
Caesar
India on the top Bollywood style.....and bhindian women down-under Pakistani style!!! W00T.GIF laugh.gif

Shameless cheap monkies always manipulating data and facts!! Just imagine these cheap thugs selling all your credit card data from their call centres!!! swear.gif
Nats
Karachi, 8th largest city of the world, a city which alone contributes to allmost half of Pakistan's budget, is not in the list of commercial hubs, and cities like these are, Bhindi Bull-oosion all right!
39 Santiago 44.56
40 Budapest 43.75
41 Prague 43.55
42 Mexico City 43.35
44 Tel Aviv 43.00
45 Mumbai 42.70
48 Sao Paulo 41.14
49 Warsaw 40.56
50 Moscow 39.80
starshine
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jun 18 2007, 11:26 PM) [snapback]920004[/snapback]
India on the top Bollywood style.....and bhindian women down-under Pakistani style!!! W00T.GIF laugh.gif

Shameless cheap monkies always manipulating data and facts!! Just imagine these cheap thugs selling all your credit card data from their call centres!!! swear.gif


This is a cooked up figure for sure & bad reporting.... but not atleast from PM of INDIA :), not official statement

While Pakistani Govt talks abt more & more achievements... This is wht truth is


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...19-6-2007_pg1_3

Pakistan ranked 12th among ‘failed states’

LAHORE: Pakistan has been ranked the 12th most unstable country in the world – worse even than North Korea at 13th – in the 2007 Failed State Index issued on Monday by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace. For the second year in a row, Sudan tops the index, largely because of the humanitarian catastrophe in Darfur. Iraq now ranks as the second most unstable country and Afghanistan the eighth. The other seven countries in the top 10 are all in Africa. They include Somalia, Zimbabwe, the Ivory Coast and Congo. The index of 177 countries gives each country points out of 10 for 12 “social indicators of instability”, with higher scores indicating greater instability. Pakistan’s highest scores were for ‘security apparatus’ (9.5), ‘factionalised elites’ (9.5) and ‘group grievance’ (9.0). Its best score was for the economy (5.8). Iraq fell from fourth place last year to second. “The report tells us that Iraq is sinking fast,” said Fund for Peace President Pauline Baker, according to the Washington Post. “We believe it’s reached the point of no return. We have recommended—based on studies done every six months since the US invasion—that the administration face up to the reality that the only choices for Iraq are how and how violently it will break up.” In a parallel series of reports, the Fund for Peace, a research and advocacy group, suggests a policy of managed partition for Iraq. The experiences of Iraq, as well as Afghanistan, show that billions of dollars in aid may be futile unless accompanied by a functioning government. daily times monitor



cool guy
QUOTE(smegster @ Jun 18 2007, 09:49 AM) [snapback]919536[/snapback]
http://www.mastercard.com/us/company/en/wcoc/the_index.html
Overall- Mumbai - 45th

Legal and political framework - Mumbai 48th
Economic stability - Mumbai 45th
Ease of doing business - Mumbai 50th
Financial flows - Mumbai 10th
Business center - Mumbai 48th
Knowledge creation and information flow -Mumbai 42nd

So cool guy, you would be happy if the new headline had instead said - Mumbai is the WORST city in the world for ease of business -
From a survey conducted by Mastercard Worldwide it was found that Mumbai was at the complete bottom of the list of of world cities in terms of ease of doing business.......................THIS IS ALSO A FACT


We leave this facts to be pointed out by our PAKISTANI FRIENDS . Why dont you see yourself , where are you ? Is mumbai worse than Karachi or Lahore ?
1pakistani
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 19 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]920048[/snapback]
We leave this facts to be pointed out by our PAKISTANI FRIENDS . Why dont you see yourself , where are you ? Is mumbai worse than Karachi or Lahore ?


Yeh. Almost in every aspect. U should do ur research rather than me or any1 having to feed u with information.
cool guy
QUOTE(1pakistani @ Jun 19 2007, 06:08 AM) [snapback]920139[/snapback]
Yeh. Almost in every aspect. U should do ur research rather than me or any1 having to feed u with information.


I could not find any mention of Karachi or Lahore in this survey. It means they does found it mentionable.
waz
QUOTE(starshine @ Jun 19 2007, 06:47 AM) [snapback]920028[/snapback]
This is a cooked up figure for sure & bad reporting.... but not atleast from PM of INDIA :), not official statement

While Pakistani Govt talks abt more & more achievements... This is wht truth is
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...19-6-2007_pg1_3

Pakistan ranked 12th among ‘failed states’

LAHORE: Pakistan has been ranked the 12th most unstable country in the world – worse even than North Korea at 13th – in the 2007 Failed State Index issued on Monday by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace. For the second year in a row, Sudan tops the index, largely because of the humanitarian catastrophe in Darfur. Iraq now ranks as the second most unstable country and Afghanistan the eighth. The other seven countries in the top 10 are all in Africa. They include Somalia, Zimbabwe, the Ivory Coast and Congo. The index of 177 countries gives each country points out of 10 for 12 “social indicators of instability”, with higher scores indicating greater instability. Pakistan’s highest scores were for ‘security apparatus’ (9.5), ‘factionalised elites’ (9.5) and ‘group grievance’ (9.0). Its best score was for the economy (5.8). Iraq fell from fourth place last year to second. “The report tells us that Iraq is sinking fast,” said Fund for Peace President Pauline Baker, according to the Washington Post. “We believe it’s reached the point of no return. We have recommended—based on studies done every six months since the US invasion—that the administration face up to the reality that the only choices for Iraq are how and how violently it will break up.” In a parallel series of reports, the Fund for Peace, a research and advocacy group, suggests a policy of managed partition for Iraq. The experiences of Iraq, as well as Afghanistan, show that billions of dollars in aid may be futile unless accompanied by a functioning government. daily times monitor




Who gives a F*ck what insignificant think tanks that HAVE INDIANS ON THEIR EDITORIAL TEAMS think about Pakistan!

Here have a look at your beloved foreign policy magazine behind the failed states index

Preeti Aroon Assistant Editor

Prerna Mankad Editorial Assistant


They also happen to be the “specialists” on South Asia and of course like the typical Indian mentality you will talk rubbish about Pakistan.

Don’t give us such bullshit and expect to be taken seriously. By the way did you take a look at what the TRUTH about your nation is compared to ours? Yes a starving nation that I proved with ADB statistics and will also provide UNICEF stats as well that show your people are the worst off in SOUTH ASIA! I will leave people to decide on whether they believe some crappy think tank with biased Indian writers going on about Pakistan or the ADB and UNICEF?
Caesar
QUOTE(starshine @ Jun 19 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]920028[/snapback]
This is a cooked up figure for sure & bad reporting.... but not atleast from PM of INDIA :), not official statement

While Pakistani Govt talks abt more & more achievements... This is wht truth is
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...19-6-2007_pg1_3

Pakistan ranked 12th among ‘failed states’


starshine....change you name to 'Dic-k Head' cause you and your types are sitting on your arses in a call centre, away from your pathetic and miserable swamps where you and other monkies like you live, and your type are so desperate and inferiority complexed, and why not with a face like that even a monkey would refuse to kiss, that the only references you could give are references from a shitty newpaper of your pathetic, ugly, stinky country!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif Keep your country's newpapers and their experts and shove it up your arse swear.gif How is that for an expert opinion stinky indian? laugh.gif

Shameless retards stealing selling credit card details......what else can you expect from poor monkies living on 50 cent a day!! swear.gif
must7
Who gives a F*ck what insignificant think tanks that HAVE INDIANS ON THEIR EDITORIAL TEAMS think about Pakistan!

Exactly whenever we see Indian's in an organization we see them spewing venom against Pakistan .. failed state Pakistan ! hahahaha.

Well that's true too cause everyday this type of statement is written in Bharatrak$hit, failed this failed that ..
Caesar
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 20 2007, 04:18 PM) [snapback]920627[/snapback]
While abusing India and Indians , you missed a basic point that Daily Times is a Pakistani News paper.



Another dumb indian monkey....... swear.gif As pointed out by another member it was published in a stinky indian foreign policy magazine behind the failed states index and arse holes who wrote them are

Preeti Aroon Assistant Editor

Prerna Mankad Editorial Assistant



cool guy
QUOTE(Caesar @ Jun 20 2007, 01:22 AM) *
Another dumb indian monkey....... swear.gif As pointed out by another member it was published in a stinky indian foreign policy magazine behind the failed states index and arse holes who wrote them are

Preeti Aroon Assistant Editor

Prerna Mankad Editorial Assistant


Just for your reference one more news item from Pakistani news paper

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=62114

Now say even World economic Forum is not reliable.
smegster
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 27 2007, 03:23 AM) *
Just for your reference one more news item from Pakistani news paper

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=62114

Now say even World economic Forum is not reliable.


Thanks cool guy

That article shows precisely the difference in mentality between Pakistan and India.
While Pakistani newspaper are willing to highlight reports which show negative aspects of Pakistan, as a means of highlighting the areas which need to be improved
The Indian newspapers instead ignore all the part of the reports which protray India in a bad light and highlight only the area which make India look fantastic.

So this is why many visitors to India become disappointed when they realise how far India has to go to become a 'super power'. while visitor to Pakistan are usually generally surprised by the level of progress.

So thank again cool guy for highlighting all these negative article about Pakistan, because it helps us to strive to work harder as we believe that our condition will not change until we change ourselves
cool guy
QUOTE(smegster @ Jun 27 2007, 05:44 AM) *
Thanks cool guy

That article shows precisely the difference in mentality between Pakistan and India.
While Pakistani newspaper are willing to highlight reports which show negative aspects of Pakistan, as a means of highlighting the areas which need to be improved
The Indian newspapers instead ignore all the part of the reports which protray India in a bad light and highlight only the area which make India look fantastic.

So this is why many visitors to India become disappointed when they realise how far India has to go to become a 'super power'. while visitor to Pakistan are usually generally surprised by the level of progress.

So thank again cool guy for highlighting all these negative article about Pakistan, because it helps us to strive to work harder as we believe that our condition will not change until we change ourselves


Just for your information , this article is not published in any of the Indian news paper, so your half of the statement is wrong. Indian news paper does not really bother about Pakistan, in general , unless there is something about India and having the reference of Pakistan ( I am writing this for economic news only not for ploitical news).

One more point , this report shows the perception of foreigner , report prepared by foreigner and published in foreign news paper , so where is the case of disappointment.

One more point , India is not the superpower and shall not have the chance for atleast for next 25 years. In my view there is no problem in trying to get the status of Superpower.
smegster
QUOTE(cool guy @ Jun 27 2007, 05:57 AM) *
Just for your information , this article is not published in any of the Indian news paper, so your half of the statement is wrong. Indian news paper does not really bother about Pakistan, in general , unless there is something about India and having the reference of Pakistan ( I am writing this for economic news only not for ploitical news).

One more point , this report shows the perception of foreigner , report prepared by foreigner and published in foreign news paper , so where is the case of disappointment.

One more point , India is not the superpower and shall not have the chance for atleast for next 25 years. In my view there is no problem in trying to get the status of Superpower.


I need to make a few points myself

I never said the article was published by a Indian newpaper, so I don't know how you got that impression

Secondly doesn't seem like you have read many india newspapers, because there seem to be hundred of negative article about Pakistan every day in India newspaper (for example just search for article about Bob Woolmer and see what I mean)

Thirdly where did I say I was disppointed about something

Fourthly the Indian government and Indian newspaper like to give the impression that India is ALREADY a superpower.

Cool guy - I think you need to try to read comment before replying back and it would be useful if actually read some newspapers


A selection of article about Pakistan from India newpapers today (from google news)

Cyclone Yemyin death toll in Pakistan goes up to 32
Times of India, India - 4 hours ago

Pakistan turns to OIC on Rushdie
Hindu, India - 25 Jun 2007

Unfettered press freedom sought in Pakistan
Hindu, India - 16 hours ago

Politicians influence cricket in Pakistan: Sikandar
Hindu, India - 26 Jun 2007

Fresh turmoil lurking in Pakistan team
Indiatimes, India - 43 minutes ago

Islamic designs imposed on Sikh shrines in Pakistan
DailyIndia.com, FL - 1 hour ago





marchpole
shameless indians.
cool guy
QUOTE(smegster @ Jun 27 2007, 06:36 AM) *
I need to make a few points myself

I never said the article was published by a Indian newpaper, so I don't know how you got that impression

Secondly doesn't seem like you have read many india newspapers, because there seem to be hundred of negative article about Pakistan every day in India newspaper (for example just search for article about Bob Woolmer and see what I mean)

Thirdly where did I say I was disppointed about something

Fourthly the Indian government and Indian newspaper like to give the impression that India is ALREADY a superpower.

Cool guy - I think you need to try to read comment before replying back and it would be useful if actually read some newspapers
A selection of article about Pakistan from India newpapers today (from google news)

Cyclone Yemyin death toll in Pakistan goes up to 32
Times of India, India - 4 hours ago

Pakistan turns to OIC on Rushdie
Hindu, India - 25 Jun 2007

Unfettered press freedom sought in Pakistan
Hindu, India - 16 hours ago

Politicians influence cricket in Pakistan: Sikandar
Hindu, India - 26 Jun 2007

Fresh turmoil lurking in Pakistan team
Indiatimes, India - 43 minutes ago

Islamic designs imposed on Sikh shrines in Pakistan
DailyIndia.com, FL - 1 hour ago



I was saying about economic news not otherwise, that I said very clearly. I knew political relations are not pleasant hence ther is bound to be some reflection of that. This forum itself sufficiently indicats that.
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