Full Version: New Coas In The Making.
Pakistan Army has 9 corps. 2 (TWO) more corps are currently in the making as we speak. So here is the list of 9 corps commanders and two potential candidates:
Lt. General kidwai --- currently heading the strategic plans division and responsible for being trusted with our nuclear bombs. Already on one year extention and unlikley.
Lt. Gen Salahuddin Satti --- Current CGS Pakistan Army.
Lt Gen Tariq Majeed --- Corps Commander Raalpindi.
Lt. General Sajjad Akram ---Corps Commander, Mangla.
Lt. General Salahuddian Satti --- Corps Commander, Chaklala.
Lieutenant General Sikandar Afzal --- Corps Commander, Multan.
Lieutenant General Shafaatullah Shah --- Corps commander, Lahore.
Lieutenant General Ahsan Azhar Hayat --- Corps Commander, Karachi.
Lieutenant General Masood Aslam --- Corps Commander, Pehsawar.
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Lieutenant General Khalid Shameem --- Corps Commander, Quetta.
Lieutenant General Waseem Ahmed Ashraf --- Corps Commander, Gujranwala.
Lieutenant General Raza Muhammad Khan --- Corps Commander, Bhawalpur.
Lt. general Tariq Majeed and Lt. general Ashfaq Kiani (most likely) are considered the most serious candidates seniority wise.
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I see. All are masters and P.H.D in politics and have no clue about the army.
If we had our PhD's from Pakistan we'd all know about Army and politics... 
To me it's a list of names, i don't know any of the candidates and thier merits. I would like to know why you haven't considered the current VCOAS.
I personal;y would feel that it's wise to have a short term candidate, just in case something happens to Musharraf and a long term candidate.
The short term candidate should be selected on the basis of his ability to come in and lead straight away effectively and should be able and ready to take over the reigns straight away just in case something happens. The long term candidate should be significantly younger but a high ranking office who has risen on merit and of course meets our needs for a COAS. Assuming Musharraf hands over on his own terms, this long term candidate should then be allowed to implement stratergy and his ways and his structures. What we don't need is instability at the top of the army.
To me it's a list of names, i don't know any of the candidates and thier merits. I would like to know why you haven't considered the current VCOAS.
I personal;y would feel that it's wise to have a short term candidate, just in case something happens to Musharraf and a long term candidate.
The short term candidate should be selected on the basis of his ability to come in and lead straight away effectively and should be able and ready to take over the reigns straight away just in case something happens. The long term candidate should be significantly younger but a high ranking office who has risen on merit and of course meets our needs for a COAS. Assuming Musharraf hands over on his own terms, this long term candidate should then be allowed to implement stratergy and his ways and his structures. What we don't need is instability at the top of the army.
If Musharraf stays, then it could well be Raza! Another artilleryman. It could also be Hamid Khan, ex Corps Commander Peshawar or Sikander Afzal as well. The Yanks might like him,. after all he was CO 19 Lancers in the Mog and is the one who saved their sorry @ $$es.
The Yanks might like him,. after all he was CO 19 Lancers in the Mog and is the one who saved their sorry @ $$es.
No kidding it was Lt. Gen. Sikander Afzal .. i must admit the US must royally owe their joint butts after the so widely complained UN Pak troops helped them not only save US military personnel but also civilians (especially the lousy US supported press) lives from the proxies of their own very good ally aka Somali Warlord.
No kidding it was Lt. Gen. Sikander Afzal .. i must admit the US must royally owe their joint butts after the so widely complained UN Pak troops helped them not only save US military personnel but also civilians (especially the lousy US supported press) lives from the proxies of their own very good ally aka Somali Warlord.
Well alph let me come back 2morw and try my ongoing degree into army affairs also till then
MY reply would be that wait and see As Musharraf has more surprise up his sleeves ;).
And i dont see except Kiyani who can do the job better.
MY reply would be that wait and see As Musharraf has more surprise up his sleeves ;).
And i dont see except Kiyani who can do the job better.
Lieutenant General Ahsan Azhar Hayat --- Corps Commander, Karachi.
Kiyani, nah, DG ISI rarely gets the top job JANA. It has to be one of the corps commanders, I would say it could be Wien (Quetta) or Sikandar Afzal (II Corps Multan).
The competition is not really for the COAS position, but for the three new field armies as well, Wien already has S Command, I say Raza or Hayat for C Command, and N Command (when thats raised next year) could well see Hamid Khan. And the CGS role could also be 4 star.
The competition is not really for the COAS position, but for the three new field armies as well, Wien already has S Command, I say Raza or Hayat for C Command, and N Command (when thats raised next year) could well see Hamid Khan. And the CGS role could also be 4 star.
Lt. General Kidwai is out of the question. He is already on one year extention and therefore not likely.
Some latest twists:
Nadeem Taj, has been promoted from Major General to Lieutenant General and appointed head of the influential security service ISI.
Lt. General Mohsin Kamal has been made commander of the army's most important garrison in Rawalpindi.
The latest move is a step towards what I said in my very first post that former ISI chief, Lieutenant-General Ashfaq Pervez Kiani, will get one of the top job of either replacing Musharraf as chief of army staff or becoming his vice chief.
A point must be noted that currently Lt. general Tariq Majeed and Lt. general Ashfaq Pervez Kiani are the most senior generals and as much as it sounds as a political reshuffle, it is not. The appointments are undertaken strictly on seniortiy basis !!
Some latest twists:
Nadeem Taj, has been promoted from Major General to Lieutenant General and appointed head of the influential security service ISI.
Lt. General Mohsin Kamal has been made commander of the army's most important garrison in Rawalpindi.
The latest move is a step towards what I said in my very first post that former ISI chief, Lieutenant-General Ashfaq Pervez Kiani, will get one of the top job of either replacing Musharraf as chief of army staff or becoming his vice chief.
A point must be noted that currently Lt. general Tariq Majeed and Lt. general Ashfaq Pervez Kiani are the most senior generals and as much as it sounds as a political reshuffle, it is not. The appointments are undertaken strictly on seniortiy basis !!
i agree. it seems that an announcement in this regard is likely due in the next 10 days or so. we'll be sure only then as to what will happen. my vote is that kiani becomes COAS. he's definitely gotten my vote. he's got all the credentials from what i've read about him. disciplined and professional and a competent soldier. what else do you want?
I have heard good things about Kiani, that he is a through and apolitical professional. We desperately need men like him to take charge of the army and start implementing some workable strategies, just witness the fiasco in Waziristan.
I think it was Time magazine that this week was suggesting that Indeed Kiyani (Kiani, are they the same person), has been selected for the role. They seemed to like him.
before Time magazine, I had read on Pakdef that it was either Kiyani or Majid, with praise for both as apolitical professionals.
Kiyani may have been head of ISI, but he is not a career spy. He served his career in army.
Kiyani may have been head of ISI, but he is not a career spy. He served his career in army.
....and I was RIGHT.
Kiani has been appointed as the chief of army staff designate.
Musharraf appoints army successor
Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has named his successor to take over as army chief, the military says.
The appointee is former head of intelligence Lt Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiani, military spokesman Maj Gen Waheed Arshad told the BBC.
Gen Musharraf will resign as head of the army if he wins presidential elections on Saturday, his lawyers say.
Opposition parties say his candidacy is illegal and that he has broken previous promises to resign as army chief.
Lt Gen Kiani has been appointed deputy chief of army staff and will take over the top post when it falls vacant, the military says.
Lt Gen Ashfaq Kiani has been appointed the chief of army staff-designate
It is not clear when that will be.
Gen Musharraf's lawyers told the Supreme Court last week that he would stand down as army chief "soon after election and before taking the oath of office as president".
Lt Gen Kiani has taken part in recent secret talks on a possible power sharing deal between President Musharraf and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
His appointment came as current Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz met senior cabinet members to discuss measures which could see corruption charges against Ms Bhutto dropped.
Deputy Information Minister Tariq Azim said proposals to amnesty politicians who had been accused, but not convicted, of corruption in cases up to 1999 were in "the final stages".
"We hope that this ordinance may be promulgated as early as tomorrow," he told the Associated Press.
Boycott
Lt Gen Kiani headed Pakistan's notorious Inter-Services Intelligence agency from 2004 until last month.
KEY DATES
06 Oct: Presidential vote to be held, election commission says
18 Oct: Date ex-PM Benazir Bhutto has set for her homecoming
15 Nov: Parliamentary term ends and general election must be held
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Karachi says he earned Gen Musharraf's confidence when he headed the investigation into two attempts on the president's life in December 2003, bringing a number of suspects to trial in a secret military court.
Lt Gen Kiani's appointment will be closely watched in Washington which has been putting pressure on Pakistan to do more in the US-led "war on terror".
News of his promotion came as scores of opposition MPs resigned from Pakistan's national parliament and provincial assemblies in protest at Saturday's presidential election.
They insist that President Pervez Musharraf is ineligible to stand.
Correspondents say that the resignations make it even more certain that Gen Musharraf will win the vote.
Members who resigned from the assemblies on Tuesday were drawn mainly from an alliance of Islamic parties, the MMA, and the PML-N party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
Gen Musharraf's election plans are illegal, critics say
Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP), the country's biggest party, is not taking part in the boycott.
Meanwhile two rival candidates for Saturday's election have filed fresh petitions in the Supreme Court against Gen Musharraf's candidacy, saying he is not eligible to stand while also remaining head of the army.
Last Friday the court dismissed a number of petitions, in a move seen as a major victory for the president.
The president is elected by MPs from the national assembly and Pakistan's four provincial assemblies.
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Kiani has been appointed as the chief of army staff designate.
Musharraf appoints army successor
Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has named his successor to take over as army chief, the military says.
The appointee is former head of intelligence Lt Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiani, military spokesman Maj Gen Waheed Arshad told the BBC.
Gen Musharraf will resign as head of the army if he wins presidential elections on Saturday, his lawyers say.
Opposition parties say his candidacy is illegal and that he has broken previous promises to resign as army chief.
Lt Gen Kiani has been appointed deputy chief of army staff and will take over the top post when it falls vacant, the military says.
Lt Gen Ashfaq Kiani has been appointed the chief of army staff-designate
It is not clear when that will be.
Gen Musharraf's lawyers told the Supreme Court last week that he would stand down as army chief "soon after election and before taking the oath of office as president".
Lt Gen Kiani has taken part in recent secret talks on a possible power sharing deal between President Musharraf and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
His appointment came as current Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz met senior cabinet members to discuss measures which could see corruption charges against Ms Bhutto dropped.
Deputy Information Minister Tariq Azim said proposals to amnesty politicians who had been accused, but not convicted, of corruption in cases up to 1999 were in "the final stages".
"We hope that this ordinance may be promulgated as early as tomorrow," he told the Associated Press.
Boycott
Lt Gen Kiani headed Pakistan's notorious Inter-Services Intelligence agency from 2004 until last month.
KEY DATES
06 Oct: Presidential vote to be held, election commission says
18 Oct: Date ex-PM Benazir Bhutto has set for her homecoming
15 Nov: Parliamentary term ends and general election must be held
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Karachi says he earned Gen Musharraf's confidence when he headed the investigation into two attempts on the president's life in December 2003, bringing a number of suspects to trial in a secret military court.
Lt Gen Kiani's appointment will be closely watched in Washington which has been putting pressure on Pakistan to do more in the US-led "war on terror".
News of his promotion came as scores of opposition MPs resigned from Pakistan's national parliament and provincial assemblies in protest at Saturday's presidential election.
They insist that President Pervez Musharraf is ineligible to stand.
Correspondents say that the resignations make it even more certain that Gen Musharraf will win the vote.
Members who resigned from the assemblies on Tuesday were drawn mainly from an alliance of Islamic parties, the MMA, and the PML-N party of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
Gen Musharraf's election plans are illegal, critics say
Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP), the country's biggest party, is not taking part in the boycott.
Meanwhile two rival candidates for Saturday's election have filed fresh petitions in the Supreme Court against Gen Musharraf's candidacy, saying he is not eligible to stand while also remaining head of the army.
Last Friday the court dismissed a number of petitions, in a move seen as a major victory for the president.
The president is elected by MPs from the national assembly and Pakistan's four provincial assemblies.
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Another thing, I would like point out is that General Kiyan's appointment has been STRICTLY based on the seniority basis !!
On the same note, can anyone point out when was the last time under REAL DEMOCRACY, an appointment was made based on the seniority basis ?
On the same note, can anyone point out when was the last time under REAL DEMOCRACY, an appointment was made based on the seniority basis ?
QUOTE(platinum786 @ Sep 1 2007, 11:15 PM) 
If we had our PhD's from Pakistan we'd all know about Army and politics...
QUOTE(2 aliph 5 @ Oct 2 2007, 11:14 AM)
Another thing, I would like point out is that General Kiyan's appointment has been STRICTLY based on the seniority basis !!
On the same note, can anyone point out when was the last time under REAL DEMOCRACY, an appointment was made based on the seniority basis ?
On the same note, can anyone point out when was the last time under REAL DEMOCRACY, an appointment was made based on the seniority basis ?
Did Musharaf himself accepted promotions under STRICTLY seniority basis or ever superseeded any of his seniors?
Guys stop making this new personality cult so that one day Musharaf's son becomes Ijazul Haq!
QUOTE(MirBadshah @ Oct 14 2007, 07:25 AM)
Did Musharaf himself accepted promotions under STRICTLY seniority basis or ever superseeded any of his seniors?
Guys stop making this new personality cult so that one day Musharaf's son becomes Ijazul Haq!
Guys stop making this new personality cult so that one day Musharaf's son becomes Ijazul Haq!
What I said is right and a fact. The promotion of General Kiyani for the post of Chief of Army Staff is strictly made on seniority basis.
When Musharraf was made Chief of Army Staff, his promotion was not made on the basis of seniority. The reason why he was picked in my opinion is that he is an Urdu speaker and since majority of army is Punjabi, Nawaz Sharif assumed (wrongfully) that the army will not let Musharraf take over and keep him restricted. Nawaz Sharif conveniently forgot that Army doesnt see itself divided on racial grounds. It sees everyone as equal and one. Something that our so called Democratic society corrupt leaders not only fail to see but leaves no stone unturned to exploit the differences for their own personal political goals.
Point is it is after a long time that a COAS was made on the basis of seniority basis. Something that was mostly not excercised in the past by the so called democratic society's corrupt feudal leaders.
QUOTE(2 aliph 5 @ Oct 14 2007, 11:16 PM)
What I said is right and a fact. The promotion of General Kiyani for the post of Chief of Army Staff is strictly made on seniority basis.
When Musharraf was made Chief of Army Staff, his promotion was not made on the basis of seniority. The reason why he was picked in my opinion is that he is an Urdu speaker and since majority of army is Punjabi, Nawaz Sharif assumed (wrongfully) that the army will not let Musharraf take over and keep him restricted. Nawaz Sharif conveniently forgot that Army doesnt see itself divided on racial grounds. It sees everyone as equal and one. Something that our so called Democratic society corrupt leaders not only fail to see but leaves no stone unturned to exploit the differences for their own personal political goals.
Point is it is after a long time that a COAS was made on the basis of seniority basis. Something that was mostly not excercised in the past by the so called democratic society's corrupt feudal leaders.
When Musharraf was made Chief of Army Staff, his promotion was not made on the basis of seniority. The reason why he was picked in my opinion is that he is an Urdu speaker and since majority of army is Punjabi, Nawaz Sharif assumed (wrongfully) that the army will not let Musharraf take over and keep him restricted. Nawaz Sharif conveniently forgot that Army doesnt see itself divided on racial grounds. It sees everyone as equal and one. Something that our so called Democratic society corrupt leaders not only fail to see but leaves no stone unturned to exploit the differences for their own personal political goals.
Point is it is after a long time that a COAS was made on the basis of seniority basis. Something that was mostly not excercised in the past by the so called democratic society's corrupt feudal leaders.
you are giving Pro mushy comments..is mushy not break the oath ?is this not agains the Army disci.?
QUOTE(chief1 @ Oct 17 2007, 07:03 AM)
you are giving Pro mushy comments..is mushy not break the oath ?is this not agains the Army disci.?
^^^
Totally irrelevant comments to the issue being discussed.
Seniority my ass
Wasnt kiani Bibis security adviser?
No wonder the Yanks like him. He set up the power sharing,Mush removing and bibi raising deal.Ive heard from some credible source(a western journalist) that the meeting took place between Kiani,Condi,Bibi and one more person i cant remember.
Everything he predicted has been true so far,so.......
Just learn to live with that harsh reality that everything to do with the fate of our country involves everyone except our people.
Wasnt kiani Bibis security adviser?
No wonder the Yanks like him. He set up the power sharing,Mush removing and bibi raising deal.Ive heard from some credible source(a western journalist) that the meeting took place between Kiani,Condi,Bibi and one more person i cant remember.
Everything he predicted has been true so far,so.......
Just learn to live with that harsh reality that everything to do with the fate of our country involves everyone except our people.
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