what im hoping for is a reasonable discussion on pakistans plight that is the absoloute lawlessness and terrorism that is prevalent in our society..what can we do about this...my idea would be like a purge , stalin style....that is to round up however many of these jihadis whether it be al qaeda, jaish - muhammed sipah e sehaba lashkar e janghvi and just lock hem up and throw away the key.

these people are killing the country. pakistan is becoming or is already The pariah of the world.

why should investors come and invest in pakistan. who wants to get blown up , thats the reality... as if we havent got enough enemies already the khatri,yahodi,amreekan and the whole western world...these home grown bufoons sponsored by raw and mossad are causing havoc.

really gets me down..im totally disillusioned....had high hopes for musharraf..he came in roaring like a tiger and now meows like a pussycat.

ideologically there no one better than pak to lead the muslim world we have all the traits except a true leadership..


thoughts would be very much appreciated

we are not USA, we are a Islamic state with intent of ¨bringing light to the entire globe¨

we do not purge our people or intentionally turn them into retards like USA has done.

Our only remedy to the problem --> Education

Only then will people realize that somethings wrong with our system, our media, our mindset, how we look at the poor (which ive seen in pakistan is very very disgusting), and our policies. Along with this the educated will be able to project pakistans image and bring in foreign company's, develop there own and setup a strong capitalist society.

Truly I believe if musharaf were gone pakistan would slip back into the system of rule by 2 parties each impeaching one another thus making the whole country go in circles (as in 90's) but if we pakistani's living elsewhere go back home I know for sure we can bring idea's into pakistan were most of society will look upon. This is one of the main reason for the economic boom of china which was micro-financially started in the 70's (via many chinese all of around the globe going back home)

If you have studied history profoundly (through my eyes) you will realize that in every democracy in the world as Plato puts it are ran by the elite. In democracy in developed country these are usually lobbying or corporate giants, in communism these are party leaders, and in some developing countries such as pakistan, bangladesh, and turkey they are the military. In pakistan the main elite have been the moulives on 1 side and the army on the other, both have kept each other in check and feeling comfortable. Know no govt in pakistans history has been able to stand with out both support when either of them wish they can throw the govt out. The 3rd elite in pakistan are the rich business owners, there main problem is there mindset (which through the lack of education has been stuck in british times) these translate into lotas today. The moulvies are the main pariah of the state as in every developing country the elite are the army, the army always has to appease someone who has a strong hold on the peoples hearts and minds, thus every since mushy has come to power through his own benefits for pakistan and to appease the west he wants to rid the moulvies of the benefits they have enjoyed for all of pakistans history.

This is where the semi-proxy war is fought between the army and mouvlies today, in pakistan. The fuel is added to the fire when pakistans strategic location, intelligence agencies, and media are considered.

we do not purge our people

Well what do you think is happening every day today in Pakistan?!

Or do you think using helicopter gunships and machine guns to mow down Pakistani citizens at the behest of american masters do not count as a "purge"?

where do suicide bombers come from chacha? do they fall from the sky or do they grow on trees? or are they trained in madrassas and then sent on targets?

Our only remedy to the problem --> Education

Lein education + economic upgradation.

That's why I have been supporting & spreading the idea of Free zones near our tribal areas.

USA & West must if they want to rectify the extremism problem in Afghanistan & Pakistan to try and develop free zones where industrial production is allow with special quotas to export to USA & EU .. This type of economic activity will move people away from extremism and make everybody useful.

well dear sir this is only possible if GoP starts making its own decisions, which in turn is only possible if we have true democracy, which as a matter of fact is possible only if we somehow get rid of dictatorship and military supremecy!

well dear sir this is only possible if GoP starts making its own decisions, which in turn is only possible if we have true democracy, which as a matter of fact is possible only if we somehow get rid of dictatorship and military supremecy!

My Dear .. do tell me in which year of previous democracy Pakistan did what it wanted without any foreign intervention ?

Pakistan is in the centure of geo-politics and it doubt in any case foreign powers will let it alone.

we are not USA, we are a Islamic state with intent of ¨bringing light to the entire globe¨

we do not purge our people or intentionally turn them into retards like USA has done.


asssalam o alaikum

Dear brother,



The only light we are bringing at the moment is the light of bombs going off, killing innocent people. Yesterday 18 people embraced shahadat. somebodys father brother or sister, imagine what they must be going through. I have two little Children alhamdulillah, i cannot begin to imagine the pain the families who have lost loved ones must be going through. This isnt islam and these are definitely not OUR PEOPLE, they are enemies of pakistan and enemies of islam period

When i said purge maybe it was a little too harsh...what i mean is that the intelligentsia know who these people are at the top of level, i feel they are reluctant to act against them because of our religious sensitivities, and maybe they don't want to be seen to be acting at americas behest. America is a sworn enemy of pakistan and islam, but the ground reality is that they have pakistan by the balls, we need to break free from these shackles. the Terrorist and sectarian problems should be our own national agenda, we dont have to listen to other countries especially enemies at that.


Musharraf i feel his biggest problem is that he loves himself to much. he wants to be seen as the saviour of pakistan like the ataturk of pakistan. He wants continuity of his reforms, which i agree with because he has done a lot of good work, but he must listen to other people, therefore i feel the time now is for national reconciliation government, get all power players involved, reform the constitution in consensus and set a timeline 7-15 years for the political process to restart. musharraf can remain president minus the uniform...and then we should clean up our act. start with elimination the terrorism and violence, try to bring law and order and justice from top to bottom. so that eventually we are seen inthe world as enlightened people not terrorists...and begin to give the poor people of our beautiful nation an equal chance. wassalam

double post

there is a difrence between eradicating terrorists, and purging our peoples....purging peoples means.....something else....such as forcing the peoples to adot a certain lifestyle or a path....such as turkey has done...

precisely, where and when did they start coming, chacha? where were the suicide bombers before busharraf started kneeling before his amreekan masters, chacha? please tell me, chacha??

Kitnee sharam kee baat hain yaar.



Champions Trophy moved from troubled Pakistan

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KARACHI (AFP) — The International Hockey Federation is to move the Champions Trophy away from Pakistan because of security fears, officials said.

Australia -- the Olympic champions -- Spain and South Korea had already pulled out of the event due to be held in Lahore from December 1 citing instability in the country.

"With regret we announce that Pakistan has been told that the Champions Trophy has been shifted from Lahore over security fears after some teams refused to tour and some showed reservations over coming to Pakistan," Pakistan Hockey Federation (PHF) spokesman Altaf Sabir told AFP on Thursday.

An upsurge in suicide bombings since the Pakistani government's raid on a radical mosque in the capital Islamabad in July has left nearly 250 people dead.

There has also been political violence and mass civil unrest in the wake of President Pervez Musharraf's botched attempt in March to sack the country's chief justice.

"The FIH secretary Peter Cohen has regretted that the decision was to be taken in view of the political situation in Pakistan and conveyed his wholehearted regret over the decision," said Sabir, referring to the international federation by its acronym.

World champions Germany and the Netherlands, the other competing teams besides Australia, Pakistan, Spain and South Korea, had also showed reservations over coming to Pakistan.

Two possible replacements, Japan and England, also said they would not tour Pakistan, said Sabir.

He quoted a letter from the international federation as saying: "This event has been cancelled and the agreement is terminated."

The letter added that it was an "extremely hard decision for the FIH to take and one which we took with many regrets for the Pakistan hockey community".

The event was also shifted from Pakistan after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States but Pakistan successfully hosted it in 2004 despite Australia pulling out.

PHF secretary Khalid Mahmood said the decision was disappointing.

"We are really disappointed over the decision as it is not based on a solid reason," he said.

"The FIH informed us about the decision which they said was taken over security reasons but I would like to ask them whether Spain or India would be safe. There are the same kind of security concerns there," Mahmood questioned.

India had already offered to host the event if was moved from Pakistan, while Spain and Malaysia are the two other possible venues.

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there is a difrence between eradicating terrorists, and purging our peoples....purging peoples means.....something else....such as forcing the peoples to adot a certain lifestyle or a path....such as turkey has done...



Brotherman do not get fixated on this word, like is said in a previous post, that terminology may have been a tad harsh/heavy. i was speaking metaphorically like stalins 'purges' when he removed millions of opponents and locked them up in freezing sheds of steel in outer siberia where temperatures are - 40c......come to think of it maybe would be a good idea. And before someone starts moaning about 'our' people. these are not our people..these 'our' people are bombing the crap out of the country!!

The problem with your solution is that there are many secularists who would love to lock up anyone praying 5 times a day. Others would advocate locking up people with beard, everytime there is a bomb by extremists, miscreants jump n the thread maligning all "Mullahs" .

How do you decide who gets locked up?

We all need to firstly be more open minded and use our common sense. Tropicana issues a major problem, extremists on both side of the line... We need to get rid of the extremism so people start respecting each other.

Education is one the solutions

yes that is purging....it is cleansing of society of a certain type of people....but as president says, there are 2 kinds of extremism in play....one is in peoples hearts, it is what they believe to be the true path, and the other is people killing people....for the second kind there is a 80,000 military presence in NWFP.....to eraicate them....and for the first....well you can only bring light into darkness by simply education. and mashallah work is being done on this aswell....the litle kids on this forum, who say musharaf is kafir for killing muslims...are not terrorist...they are sons and doughters of namak harram politicians of our country...

loook, a example of one of them....