yesterday i read in a urdu newspeper "Neha Akhbar" that pakista is ready for missile test of ghury and shaheen in the 2nd and 3rd week Janvery 2008. if its true then wahooooooo becase pakistan will start Newyear with missile test.

But guy a little confusen is that what these missile will LRBM or not if these missile will already tested then "kohi maza nai" i will enjoy if our scientence give us unaspected gift. Anyway just wait and watch

a long range missile test is due. I think it will come after elections

Salaam

Pakistan will celebrate it's New Year with big rockets and big bangs!

China and Pakistan usually don't broadcast news from future-land; only Indians are good at this game. All such tabloid gossip shouldn't be taken seriously.

Agreed.

i never heard of this 'neha akhbar'. so i don give much credibility to ths report. moreover as some one said rightly, we donot declare such news in advance..so BS i think.

Neither have I. Where is this newspaper from (what city) does anyone know?

And you're right, we don't ever say sh!t like this in advance, thats Indian style. We'll see, I'm hoping for a few tests, but we'll have to wait and see. It could just be a prediction on the newspaper's part, they could turn out right (I mean they gave a 2 week window).

Ok let's have a poll. Who is more childish?

-chief1
-viper 'in' style
-fanna4paf

Hey, I'm not in the poll. ... Wait thats a good thing.

well well well...what now what u want???my rod in ur ass???then i u will shut up or what should i do???dont wana abuse u but please give me a break

Pakistan will test fire Shaheen and Ghauri missiles in Jan 2008

Pakistani experiments are being conducted to modernize the missile technology of the country to enhance its defense capability. Under this programme, another test-firing of Shaheen missile is scheduled for the second week of January, while the Ghauri missile will be test-fired in the third week of the same month.

http://www.uniquepakistan.com/news/general...8-20071226.html

Wasn't there just another thread on this same thing, but from a different source....?

They better test fire an ICBM!

Won't be an ICBM, but it'll be a shocker.

Well what i think it is Ghauri -3 with a range of 4000 km?

Ya Ghauri III is supposed to have 3500 to 4000 km range (my guess is that it will be 4000). Shaheen III I believe has somewhere similar, I think 4000 to 4500 km (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

And then supposedly (key word supposedly) Tipu has something like a 5000+ km range.

A message to the external hands playing their role in Pakistan?

maybe something to distract attention from all this?

either way, good stuff!

Yep, I fully agree! This is the time to test an ICBM. Send a clear signal to the world where we stand.

Yes,
Pakistan should carried out lot of tests to discourage external enemies for any action.

F*** sake.. Shaheen and Ghuri again!! When are we going to get ourselves out of this India centeric mind set?? We have much bigger and stronger threats emanating from the west. We must find means to hit their mainlands with our nukes. Time for ICBM is now. Any delay will be suicidal.

some ICBM's come in a two stage form. That technology can be hard to grasp.

http://www.robsv.com/cape/c19lv.html

Don't be suprised if we test a 3-4000km range missile with a two stage form.

We may be trying to get that right, before we develop an ICBM.

There is no point in developing a 6-7000km range single stage missile if you can't target the furtherest points of any potential aggressor. That'd only spook them. It'd be better to sh1t them up entirely by developing a smaller two stage missile, mastering that technique then in 1 go getting an icbm with a 10-12,000km range.

I thought we already have mastered the two stage technology in the form of Shaheen 2! Cant understand the delay in ICBM.

I'm not 100% sure. Though that might be correct. In which case I'm like 2 years out of date with my information....lol

*a quick google later...*

ur right. it is two stage. I can't see a reason not to go big now!

it could also be a batch production test to see all qualifications of a new batch meet requirements. Just Like Dr. Samar Mubarakmand mentioned in his interview a while back.

But an ICBM would really kick start the year on a right footing.

CNN:
Breaking News From Pakistan
Correspondent: sh!t did someone die again?
Correspondent 2: Um, no. Pakistan has just tested an ICBM.
Correspondent: And that is....?
Correspondent 2: Well I don't know exactly, lets ask the expert.
Expert: Well basically, oh sh!t, did that say 12,000 km.... that can hit
us. Oh sh!t..


I can see it now.




Well you never know, the scientists could have put Shaheen project on steroid (sort of speak).



Ya, you're 2 years off. Lol.




Yes it would. New Years fireworks anyone? Man, but I agree with Plat. They should either test a 6000 (or so) km missile or a 10,000+ km missile. In the middle would send a message, but since we won't be able to hit everything, it wouldn't be a complete message.

i don't think there will be any tests after all this tragedy...the whole f ucking west is now talking about the safety of our nuclear assets...i'm sure musharaf would come under pressure and won't allow the tests to happen...

Or if he gets his balls together and does a test, it would send a message, and a pretty strong one at that.

Test ICBM's and the whole EU will sanction us.

Get a grip of your pride. Its crossing the line of stupidity.

Sanction us for what? What justification would there be? They have never stated that, or implied that.

They dont want any Muslim country with WMD that can reach Europe.

Right now, the West is thinking not only about who is next in line to gain control of Pakistan, but also what is going to happen to our nukes. If they fall in the wrong hands, combined with a decent delivery system, Europe is in trouble. This is the worst time to test ICBM's, that is, if Pak intends to test them (which I doubt).

IRBM's are enough.

We don't need a ICBM to reach Europe. If I'm correct a 5000 km missile would be able to hit some parts of Europe. (An ICBM is a missile that has 5500 km range or greater, so 5000 km would just be short of that).

WAIIIITTTT! Who are we supposed to be scaring off by testing an ICBM? Our biggest enemy is India.. and to whoever says that we need an ICBM to target Israel: go screw yourself.
So, I don't see any need to provoke other nations by test-firing an ICBM

Finally somebody is talking some sense.

Sir Jee, then there would never come a right time. Look the west already thinks that we are reckless, and that we are a nation that can break apart any minute. They believe that terrorist can get their hands on our nukes and then they can physically deploy it anywhere in Europe or West. No need for ICBM. They believe our nukers are loose and can reach their shore in a form of a dirty bomb.

This perception in west itself is scary enough, b/c if God forbids some false flag operation happens and then blame is put on Pak, our leaders will be in deep trouble. Pakistan doesnt have beef with any one in west, Pakistan needs to counter this false image.

I don't think the West (as in the government and officials) believes that at all. Its just the media that portrays that to the people (the portrayal is probably urged by the government), but the officials themselves don't believe/think that at all. Sad thing is, the people can't know the truth, because the media is so strong at influencing them (all they know is what the media tells them).

Thats precisely the point, "ICBM test" or No "ICBM test" Pakistan is still being ding for it in the Media on a regular basis.

Yep it really doesn't make a difference anymore. But an ICBM would make everyone think twice before they try to pull something.

First change your biggest trade partners (U.S./E.U.); second form a strong, noble and sincere leadership; third have a strong world-class conventional force at hand and finally start projecting power in ICBMs, SSN/SSBNs, etc.

2 years back there were Israeli jets parked in India, under the pretext of war games.
Musharraf straight forward warned the Indians that regardless of pilots or equipment, we'll empty our entire nuclear arsenal on Indian cities if the jets don't return to Israel.
India termed his accusations as baseless.
US cautioned India that Pakistan, apart from Nukes, has some 200 dirty bombs all set and ready to fire away.
The Israeli contingent only then returned back to Israel.

Yes, we need ICBM's to reach Israel and EU, only that will deter any aggression against us.
US is trigger happy, but will never strike Russia or China, knowing very well that they have the capability to strike back.
Only might deters another might from becoming adventurous.

yaaar we don't need to be too much optimistic....it won't be a ICBM for sure....

what i want to see is missile interceptors....just like the one india tested

Not all of Europe is in the EU. The key-players of EU are beyond the 5500km range from Pakistan.

Every country has its own range specification which categorizes the type of missile (i.e. srbm, irbm).



Exactly!

Whats the point of provoking other countries when you are so damn dependent on them? How will Pakistan deter an economic sanction?


I second that.

Pakistan is too dependent on EU/US, to do anything of such great calibre. EU & US would definitely try to cripple Pakistani economy. The Nuke tests were nothing to them because they could not reach the West. This time they would definitely hold on to the embargos.

Got a Old News But Regurding Ghauri 3

Pakistan Completes 'Trials' of Ghauri-III Missile Engine

Islamabad The News 30 September 1999 page 10

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has successfully completed the trials of Ghauri-III missile's engine at Kahuta Research Laboratories on Wednesday.

An official said the trials were completed at 2:30 p.m. and the ballistic missile (Ghauri-III) would cover the range of over 3,000 kilometres.

Pakistan had already completed successful test flights of Ghauri-I and Ghauri-II, responding to Indian ballistic missiles Prithvi and two versions of Agni missiles.

The official said the engine test of Ghauri-III has enabled armed forces to target all the big cities of India, including Calcutta. The official, however, said that Pakistani missiles and nuclear program were for defensive needs. "We don't have any aggressive design but to defend every inch of the motherland is our right."

The official said that soon the nation would also hear good news about the indigenous achievements of the country's space program. Dr Qadeer Khan Research Laboratories are cooperating with Pakistan Upper Space and Atmospheric Research Commission (SUPARCO) in devloping indigenous rocket to launch satellites.

Earlier Kahuta Laboratories successfully tested three ranges of Gahuri missile ranging 1,500, 2,000 and 2,700 kilometres. Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission's scientists had also successfully completed the test flights of Shaheen missile, ranging 1,500 to 1,800 kilometres.

I never said we don't need an ICBM. This thread is about test-firing one. Why do you want to test-fire a bloody ICBM?! Keep it out of sight until needed -_-. And, as I said, you don't need an ICBM to hit Israel. And I don't see any need to provoke the rest of the world. We are already in a state of chaos, on the brink of civil war. That's the last thing any intelligent being would do...

Y not test it???

Just dont freaking annonce that we have it and that we tested it and here is the video like other missile tests. Just do secret tests of it.

Uhhh, how do you test an ICBM in secret? It's an INTERCONTINENTAL Ballistic Missile, for God's sake! Even if you test it on the Arabian sea, you're bound to be noticed.
Of course, you can also secretly transport it to China for testing, in which case I would fully agree with you (p.s. i guess i wasn't very clear: i actually meant not publicly test fire it... but it's VERY hard to test an icbm in secret).

i con't understand why my some brother are not in favore of ICBM why? if pakistan not don't it then US and UN can be attack us. who know about time? its anytime may be change which time came on afganistan and which time came on Iraq and which time is trying to come on Iran. Maybe its come on pakistan. US says us destroy your missile and NC program otherwise we will attack on you. Because your NC program is dengerous for us. Then what the Ans of pakistan?


That our NC is in safehand don't attack us. Thats Ans only with us if we have ICBM that know body say us about war just barke like a dog as like they barke on china and Russia but they can not do more.


i know some my brother are not interesting my opanion but "muje is se koi farq nai perta" because everybody have its own mind.

Another point is that ICBM is helpfull for our space program.

Guys i never think pakistan done new test of guri and shaheen its will be old if pakistan interesting in ICBM test then first our paresident give permission to US then we will wait green signal which chance are not from US like india before 1month of experiment they announce for test just for US that they give them signal but here anythink nothing same like this no announcement


guys i was who post this topic with a source of "neha akhbar" and that post end i say some word and this post also say same word

"JUST WAIT AND WATCH"

Aoa


Develop the capaility, but do not make it open unless it a threatened. [I mean actually threatened not just pointless rhetoric].

Other then that I agree with what Mark Sien siad.

w/salaam

Well i think we Have the capabilty,Like They are talking about Tippu with 4000 to 5000 Km range..Then there is no such a Gap Between ICBM and LRBM as far as tippu is concern