What will happend to Pakistan if USA lose war in iraq and Afganistan ?
Then Talibans will become the enemy of Pakistan !

USA is in a no win war when it comes to Afghanistan and Iraq. They are to go into recession in 2008. After that they will simply have to move out.

As far as Taleban. Arent they already Pakistan's enemy ? Might as well fight with the Americans now while we can then to fight them alone without the Americans.

Then Talibans will attack on Pakistan with full force. Talibans will become power full. They will take over Pakistan as they were take over Afganistan in Past .
look .. they are expanding their bases in Pakistan. first wazirstan now swat .

US created the Taliban set up the training camps funded $3 billion in 1980s to import wahabi terrorism training camps which country did they use to stage the war against Soviets Pakistan! They didnt use UK or US they used Pakistan then this terrorism spread into Pakistan and Pakistan people are biggest victims of terrorism not 9/11 victims. See on 9/11 only 3000+ people die but in Pakistan since 1979-present millions have died so who pay the higher price because of terrorist? yes Pakistan did

When London tube bomb blast happen everyone point finger at Pakistan but no one say that its not fault of Pakistan because we suffer 100 7/7 bombings every week in Pakistan how many have died in Pakistan in last week over 60! Why should we be suffering because the US and Western countrys made a mistake? why we have to pay price? why we have to clean up the mess and take foul words from people this question means nothing.

People always point fingers at us and say pakistani people is terrorist the real terrorist is the people who created the terrorist in the first place which is motherfu$ker CIA.

You may want to keep up with current events. Swat is now mostly under Pakistani control. The Taliban doesn't have any grass roots support in Pakistan, and somehow you're saying they're going to take it over? Also, there are still many sympathizers within the Taliban that respect the Pakistani military and institution and they haven't forgotten the amount of help Pakistan had given to them in the past. In order for the Taliban to rule Afghanistan successfully without fear from Russia or the Central Asian states or even Iran for that matter, they need the support of the Pakistani institution.

how you can say that Russia not supporting Talibans ? how russia can forget defeat in afganistan ?
If USA leave Afganistan or iraq then Talibans will not care who support them and who not !
Then Talibans will become much power full. They will not care about Pakistani insititution if they got power.
We have army most power full insititution .. ! is any other power full insititution we have ?
we should make power full to police ... and finish currption from police. Then peoples will love govt.
we are fighting USA fight but USA not supply us modern weapons !
it is better to make friend to talibans and force them friendly to leave Pakistan.
or we should become neutral . USA cannot win in iraq and Afganistan.

Maybe under NS, yes, the government would have been to scared to fight back. But now that we aren't under NS's pathetic bullsh!t he called democracy, we will and can actually fight back. This scenario you have given is one thought up by a scared Westerner, who is only influenced by CNN, BBC or Fox News.

Let me repaste the second paragraph from my post number 2.



It would be a good idea to take the Taliban out now that they are busy fighting with the Americans. But then we will have another problem. We'll have a USA sitting in Afghanistan. :-(

So best option if it were to me. I would keep the Americans or the NATO fight on the talebans for as long as I can. Keep them both attentive towards each other instead of having one with full attention towards us !!

If U.S. & NATO leave Afghanistan and Iraq, I think Turkey, Iran and Pakistan should join hands and bring these two countries up. Put up a joint effort to develop the infrastructure, bring back the refugees and their lives...and ultimately form an E.U like cooperative consisting of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Put up an open border agreement relating to media, technology and information so that knowledge spreads quickly...and put an end to all the ethnic and inner-Islamic issues.

I'm praying for a Pak-Afgh-Iran alliance, but I don't know if Turkey will be willing to join with Iraq, especially because of the Kurdish issue.

Imho, I think Iran & Pakistan are the only ones that can save Afghanistan now.

And I for one am most definitely up for the job.

Seriously If USA is to withdraw from Afghanistan than we could see end to NA and rather surprisingly i see there could be an end to the violence in Pakistan. I always saw foreign hands in Paksitani conflcit but also it would give us chance to pusch Taliban into Afghanistan from NWFP and FATA.

It would also give us chance to engage them diplomatically and hence have better chance of resolving the conflict.

USA should withdraw from Afghanistan it would be best for her as i do not see USA can afford for long creating problems inside Pakistan the way present crises have been done by her to engage Pakistan within so that she can lay hands on Afghanistan.
The sooner or later we are going to have elections, US is also heading to get new govt that is probably not in much love with Pakistan hence it will continue pushing us and creating problems.
In that case i dont see we would be able to maintain our present stance on fighting terror for US which if we back off will only hit US badly.


AS far Iraq i would say US should not withdraw from there rather she should try to get sunni majority on board with regards to government there.

I believe that by attacking Iraq and now if US leaves, she has strengthen Iran and in that case Iran will be the biggest beneificiary if US withdraws from Iraq resultantly more problems for US and Israel ;)

How will USA tap Central Asian Resources if it leaves Afghanistan?

It can't.

In another word they wont be going bak home any time soon and this all the monkey jumping is to win election and than it would be back to business. They didnt come here for picnic.

But that again u neva know what can happen. But USA going out of here is out of question infact they might as well strenthen their force. But inorder to survive they would have to keep pakistan somewhat happy otherwise their troops gonna get butchered without supplies.

The part of them needing Pakistan is the twist I like.

But not for long, their long term plan is to take Pakistan out of equation as well, for them to secure this supply they need un hindered route. So u can understand y there are big problems in Balochistan and FATA. Also ever wonder y Chinese engineers in those areas are getting targetted? Espeically around gawadar.

If they think thats even possible, then they are very naive. The people there may dislike the government, but they dislike the US 100s of times more. But the BLA and such is not even meant to benefit the local people, I just wish the locals there could see that, and fight back.

It doesn't matter if the people like US or not. US will use proxies, and 1pakistani is absolutely correct in what he said. That also explains why the US has invested so much in the Gwadar Port.

The twist I like in this scenario is that, China has invested into the Gwadar port as well, and they are well ahead with their plans (i.e. Karakorum highway, Makran highway; connecting China to Gwadar).

Thats why I said BLA, thats a proxy.

China's involvement makes it harder for the US to do something, so yes it is good (not to mention the development).

I am amazed that you guys are still not thinking straight--at least not when it comes to present US/Nato policies of Global domination by controlling Energy and Natural resources of the world!! At least read the current political situation--US/Nato wil not leave Afghanistan--in fact they are trying to leave Iraq and to deploy those troops in afghanistan.

And one gentleman here said something about US investing in Gwadar--please get your facts right first. US has not invested anything--only private US property funds are trying to invest there. In fact US was not allowed to invest--and why would the Chinese allow US to invest when they have invested so heavily there! You can't have it both ways!

the only way to reach CARs for US will be to leave Afghanistan and form a friendly goverment there by taking Pakistan along for

1. US can never materialize its dream of taping energy from CARs while still to act like occupier and continue killing Afgan people mostly Pushtuns.

2. Only the participation of of majority in Afghanistan i.e Pushtuns in government can guarantee US intrests.
3. Northern Alliance can never be of any major benfit to US,

mainly (A). its alignment with Iran
(B) it is not in majority.
© it has no control beyond North of Afghanistan and that is too now diminishing as Pushtuns have started gaining support in North recently.
(D) Northern Alliance just recently has formed a larger separate party mainly amied at weakining Karzai (the darling of US) and it has been creating problems for the Afghan government.


4. US in the past had been working with the Taliban who had guarantee the security of TAP if any of you remember UNICOAL mission in Afghanistan.

5. By leaving Afghanistan US can make a good come back and have public support by initiating development activities in true sense and creating job opportunities which is the main problem of the people there.
6. US can improve its image by taking Pakistan along and taking strong footing in Afghanistan could only be possible through Pakistan.