I have a few questions that I'd like to put on "solid stone" for future references.

1) Will be TF-2000 hull be of Turkish design? Will it be based off the MILGEM?

2) TF-2000 will be in league with NATO FFGs such as FREMM, but be in the standard of something like Horizon?

3) Will it boast a new GENESIS-3 system, or share the GENESIS-2 of MILGEM?

4) Although it is an air defence FFG w/long-range SAMs, suppose if a particular country was interested in a lighter general purpose variant without the long-range SAMs & related sensors. So essentially a lighter FFG with standard AShM, ASW, medium-range AAW, etc...would it be feasibly possible to develop a 'scaled-down' TF-2000 variant for that purpose?

good questions.

ZJoseph,
For crying out loud man!!! stop making crazy comments, please!

I think nobody can tell us more detail as we have it. The Development of TF2000 are already started in the background years ago.I think it will be start to build after the first Milgem ship will finished. It is likely that there will equipped with a newer version of genesis system and it will have similar hull as milgem. It will be a modern aaw-fregatte in the same class as other NATO countries.I think we will see more details in the next years or by defence exhibition.

o i thought you will be happy! my badluck!! i was just trying to answer.....

RfI was published for a 4.500 - 5.500t ship, IIRC. No other details are yet certain, since there is currently no design; at least none that open sources know of. Turkish Navy of course have been analyzing a lot of alternative designs, i.e there are tons of different designs on the table. This is like "hey, ehat if we procure a ship like this?" or "look what x country offered to us, is it feasible for us to get those ships?" blah blah.. The usual brainstorming yada yada during initial steps of a project.

However it is safe to expect a design based on MilGem hull, a stretched variant maybe.

Repeat: THE PROJECT IS IN RFI STAGE. THAT'S ALL.



See answer no.1


F-511 Heybeliada (the prototype ship of MilGem class) will use G-MSYS; the MilGem version of GENESIS. The rest of MilGem boats will use Barbaros command and control system, a derivative of G-MSYS, which will be developed by the lessons learned from the tests of Heybeliada. So, it is more than safe to assume that TF-2000 will follow this routine also.



See answer no.1

Request for Proposals (RfP) for 4 AAW frigates, possibly followed by 2 AAW-C&C frigates. 24 platforms from 8 shipyards in 6 countries answered the request of information (RfI) issued in 1996. German shipyard Blohm+Voss proposed the Meko A-200 class with Signaal APAR solid state phased array radar system or Lockheed Martin SPY-1F AEGIS system. The Standard Missile SM-2 area defence missile and RAM ship self-defence missile is envisioned. The missile system may be the biggest obstacle: SM-2 is not yet cleared for export to Turkey and the Aster family is out of question if there is a Turkish embargo on French products. Procurement of either SM-2 or Aster systems by Greece may have to take place first before Turkey may get to procure SM-2. An (inferior?) alternative would be a russian system or Barak-2/NG. Most likely Turkey is not going to start on TF-2000 in earnest untill it has gained a degree of experience with MILGEM.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...ope/tf-2000.htm
http://www.ssm.gov.tr/EN/Projeler/denizara.../tf2000__D.aspx

Based on H Khan's reports on PakDef, the PN has chosen MILGEM for its corvette requirement, but we are not sure of what weapon-systems PN ships will be equipped with. There is no guarantee that PN would be willing to equip them with American systems - hence it might go the Europe route of MICA-VL, Exocet MM40 Block-III & MU90.

Theoretically speaking...could the PN use the basic TF-2000 hull and produce a lighter general purpose FFG for its own purposes?

Is there any armstrade between Pakistan and South Africa? I figure the http://www.defense-update.com/products/u/Umkhonto.htm might well meet the needs of the PN. And perhaps a twin 35mm AAA turret with AHEAD ammo is to be preferred over an AK-630?

South Africa and Pakistan have a very implicit defence relationship...especially in A2A missiles and perhaps even JF-17's HMD.

Denel did display Umkhonto-IR and Umkhonto-R at the IDEAS 2006 exhibition.

If Umkhonto-NG can be developed into something in the class of Aster-15 & ESSM (though not necessarily equal or better performance), PN should inquire.

Its a better choice already over HQ7 imho!

Yeah, but I was referring to future corvettes & FFGs.

Yes, but ESSM and ASTER-15 aren't happening for now for PN, maybe RAM.

Yeah...I was talking closer to 2015...we don't even have platforms capable of using ESSM or Aster-15 in the pipeline.

Do we know how the HH-16 on the Type-054A compares with ESSM or Aster? Is it a copy of Russian shtil or entirely indigenous?

I think Type 054A is most likely on the shopping list after Milgem is ordered. I seriously doubt the PN is considering any western surface ships due to affordability. F-22P, Milgem and 054A seems to be the long-term plan for now.

I wonder about that. The F22P deal is interesting because some of the class are to be built in Pakistan. It seem to me that Pakistan would want to build (most of) its own follow-on class. Which weighs into a development model (F22Pa, Milgem), not a copy model (054A). Besides, Type 054(A) seems set to become a PLAN mainstay. I'm not at all convinced the Chinese will want to export it.

Funny you say that, because on PakDef's IDEAS 2006 report:
The pattern the shipyard has been following is to have slowly built up key experience in building various types of warships in terms of size and complexity, and will move to the next stage with the F-22P as it will obtain some experience in major warship design as well as construction. Only the final ship of the batch of four will be built by KSEW, but the hope is that the experience will be put to good use in building the PN corvette fleet when a decision is made, and also a proposed follow-on class from the F-22P. The ultimate aim is for the shipyard to be a designer and exporter of such vessels, and the experience gained is slowly leading in that direction.

http://www.pakdef.info/exhibitions/ideas2006/index.html

That's why I wondered about 2 things in the past:

1) The development of a locally designed 2600-3000 ton light FFG.
2) Possible acquisition of TF-2000 AAW FFG.

Regarding F-22P, I am unsure if we could do a lot using it as a basis, although it is a bit of an improvement over Type-053H3. I suppose by drawing design concepts from Milgem and apply them to a design a bit larger than F-22P, KSEW could come up with a good light FFG. No doubt this vessel would not be coming before 2015, so wth Milgem already in production - I imagine capabilities should at least surpass that. Perhaps PN might be looking into developing a ship between AFCON and Formidable?