ISLAMABAD . President Pervez Musharraf, who embarked on a 6-day state visit to China on Thursday, said he would seek Chinese help to build more nuclear power plants in the country.

Currently China is building second nuclear power plant at Chashma, 280 kilometers south-west of Islamabad, in Punjab.

"With 300 Mega Watt Chashma power project already in place and work underway on Chashma-II we will also have talks on the costing of Chashma-III and Chashma-IV as well as discussing a future 1000 MW project", President Musharraf told reporters before his departure for China.

The construction of Chashma Nuclear Power Plant Unit-1 (CHASNUPP-1), the second nuclear power plant in Pakistan, was started in 1992 with the help of China. It has been in commercial operation since September 2000.

The construction of Chashma Nuclear Power Project Unit-2 (CHASNUPP-2) started after the ground breaking ceremony on April 8, 2005.

CHASNUPP-1 is a two-loop PWR plant with gross output of 325 MWe & net output of 300 MWe and life span of 40 years. "I would exchange views with the Chinese leadership to discuss ways and means to boost cooperation in the energy sector," President Musharraf said.

He said Pakistan is also planning to establish one thousand megawatt nuclear power plant in future and he will hold discussions about this project as well.

China is a major source of investment, trade and defence for Pakistan. Bilateral trade between the two countries has touched US 6.5 billion dollars.

Pakistan and China signed a free trade pact in 2006 and hope to raise two-way trade to $15 billion within the next five years.

This week, a Shanghai shipyard launched the first of four F- 22P frigates to be delivered to Pakistan. The fourth and last vessel will be completed at a Karachi shipyard in 2013. The Pakistan Air Force has inducted into its fleet a fighter aircraft, called JF-17 Thunder, that is co-produced with China.

The President said that he would hold talks with the Chinese leadership on every facet of the broad-based relations between the two countries including cooperation in the establishment of three more nuclear power plants.

Enough of earlier generation 300MW power plants, we need the newer 600MW or else much more recent 1,000MW nuclear plants from China.

Our engery requirements especially with water diversion from India has obliged us to seek nuclear power plants. Pakistan should not waste another hour on empty promises of US and ink nuclear power plants with China on fast track basis.

What are Fuel Reprocessing Plants?

They separate uranium and plutonium from spent fuel from the reactor.

Why future?? Pakistan is behind... Pakistan need to move forward than later.

better build 1,000MW nuclear plants now than later..

Because Pakistan can not make its own nuclear reactors yet, We are working on a local design for a nuclear plant at about 300 MW, China itself can only build and export nuclear power-plants of upto the Qinshan 3 variety which have a maximum 700 MW. The larger reactors of 1000 mw that China has have been built by Western conglomerates which is internationally acceptable since China is an accepted nuclear-weapons state as stated by the NPT.

Simply put the countries than can offer Pakistan 1000mw reactors are failing in thier duty to do so. France, US, Russia can build reactors of 1000mw and will never sell to Pakistan, We will just need to wait until China can catch-up with the West and then we can then get such plants from China.

Iran is getting 1000MW nuclear power plant.

From Russia.

Please tell me,
1000 MG Power Plant, work started or when will start ?
Where to place this plant any idea ?


alway regards

The nuclear facility at Brushehr, Iran is being built under an agreement between the Russian and Iranian governments for $800-million for 1000MW plant. Although originally intended to be the location of a German-built reactor in the 1970s, the new reactor will be built to Russian designs, though the original reactor buildings exterior appearance will remain essentially the same. There are two reactors at Bushehr, one is in an advanced stage of completion the other has not been worked on for some time and is not currently scheduled to be completed.
Nuclear power industry contacts between Iran and Russia are based on the intergovernmental agreements of 25 August 1992, on cooperation in the civil use of nuclear energy and in the construction of a nuclear power plant in Iran.

Chashma Nuclear Power Project 2008-09:
2 new power plants worth Rs 129.374bn

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to launch two new nuclear power projects at Chashma worth Rs 129.374 billion that would generate 640 MW power to induct into national grid.

These plants include Chashma Nuclear Power Project (c3) and Chashma Nuclear Power Plant (c4) and government has allocated Rs 100 million for these nuclear power projects in the Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP) 2008-09.

Sources said that each nuclear power plant would have the power generation capacity of 320 MW and each project would cost Rs 64.687 billion. Government would arrange Rs 80.36 billion from international donors' institutions and countries.

They further added that these new nuclear power projects are the part of the government's 2030 vision strategy under which over 8,000 MW power by nuclear projects would be generated by 2030.

Pakistan had planned to set up four new nuclear power plants in its strategy for financial year 2008-09 of 1,280 MW power and however two nuclear power projects would be launched in the coming financial year 2008-09. These nuclear power projects are the phase 3 and phase 4 of Chashma Nuclear Power Plants.

The first phase project of Chashma Nuclear Plant was commissioned in September 2000. A Chinese Company is already working on the second phase of Chashma Nuclear Power Plant and in May 2004, Pakistan and China signed a contract to jointly build the second phase project of Chashma Nuclear Power Plant.

Sources said that Pakistan has sought financial and technical help from China for setting up of these two power nuclear power plants of 320 MW each and submitted feasible studies of these projects to China. They said that China has agreed to provide financing and technical assistance for these nuclear power projects.

Sources said that Pakistan would also seek help from other countries and however, major chunk of the financing would come for these power plants would come from China. They said that Chinese companies are already working on mega power projects in Pakistan.

The government had also planned to set up two nuclear power plants at Karachi but the plan had not been shelved due to financing problems for the said projects. They said that the Finance Ministry is also working to seek financing from other countries besides China and would also evolve a strategy to engage the countries in a joint venture to provide financing for the said projects.

Pak in talks with China for more nuke plants
18 Jun 2008, 0105 hrs IST, Indrani Bagchi,TNN

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NEW DELHI: As the UPA government loses its nerve on the nuclear deal, it is becoming clear that Pakistan may be quietly powering ahead — with its old friend China.

The Pakistan economic survey, released last week, gave an interesting preview of the country's nuclear future. In a paragraph that went almost unnoticed, the survey said, "Negotiations are in progress with China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) for setting up two additional 325 MWe units at Chashma and for starting designs studies of 1000 MWe units at Karachi."

In other words, while India will be constrained from pursuing the nuclear power option, Pakistan may be working out its own nuclear deal with China. The two units in Karachi are a new element in Pakistan's nuclear plans.

China is unlikely to be an enthusiastic supporter of the Indian nuclear deal in the NSG (which is believed to have inspired the Indian Left parties). But there is little to stop it from extending the same privileges to Pakistan, certainly to keep India on its toes, said analysts.

The agreement for two units at Chashma II was "grandfathered" by China when it joined the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) as member in 2004. Just like India's Kudankulam reactors, these would be beyond the purview of the NSG guidelines, which would only kick in on deals done after that. The point is, whether the Chinese promised four more reactors to Pakistan.

This was part of the request made to the Chinese leadership by Pervez Musharraf in 2006 though the extra reactors did not materialise as they were supposed to during Hu Jintao's visit to Pakistan.

But in 2007, after the Lal Masjid operation in Islamabad, when a number of Chinese citizens, engineers and other workers were targetted in Pakistan, the Chinese ambassador to Pakistan was quoted as saying that the Chinese government was discussing the Chashma II and Chashma IV projects with Pakistan. Chashma II, he said, would be completed in 2008.

Nuclear experts say although China will have an uphill task to convince NSG of the Pakistan reactors, it's clear that China's increasing international clout could even see a nuclear deal working out between Beijing and Islamabad and going to the NSG for clearance.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak_in_...how/3139150.cms

China wants 100 Westinghouse reactors


China wants to have 100 of Westinghouse Electric Co.'s nuclear reactors in operation or under construction by 2020 -- more than double what was anticipated, according to the company's incoming CEO.

Aris Candris, who will lead the Monroeville-based firm beginning Tuesday, said Chinese officials shared those plans with Westinghouse during a mid-May meeting.

"It is huge," Candris said in an interview Thursday with the Tribune-Review. "Originally we were thinking somewhere around 40."

"This is the beginning of the nuclear renaissance," he said. "Growth is good, but it's also a management challenge."


Westinghouse, a global leader in reactor engineering, construction and maintenance. Westinghouse's technology is the basis for nearly half of the world's 440 nuclear power plants, including 62 of the 104 in the United States.


Its AP1000 reactor, which can generate enough power to electrify 700,000 homes, is the technology of choice for half of the 30 reactors planned for the United States. This spring Westinghouse signed deals for four domestic reactors, the first such contracts to be signed in this country in 30 years.

Last year the company beat out French rival Areva to win a $5.3 billion contract to build four AP1000s in China. Although Westinghouse will transfer the technology to Chinese licensees over the next few years, Candris said, it will build several additional plants with partner The Shaw Group, of Baton Rouge, La.

Westinghouse books higher revenue from plants it actually builds, but the licensing strategy frees the company to pursue research and development.

"There are a number of entities over the years that we have licensed -- Areva, Mitsubishi in Japan, Doosan in Korea. In all cases, those became long-term relationships, with long-term benefits for both," Candris said.

Design will begin this year on a 1,700-megawatt reactor, he said, that could be targeted to energy-hungry China and eventually India.

Plans for domestic reactor construction are moving briskly. Candris said contracts for two AP1000s each at three Southeastern U.S. utilities will be signed in the next nine months; the first deal is likely by summer's end. He said he was not worried that soaring costs of steel, copper and cement would hurt his industry, because those costs equally affect construction of other kinds of power plants.

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

More nuclear power plants will help China to design better and heavy plants.

So when are these plants going to be ready?

I think Chashma II would be completed in 2008.
I am not sure when it will be charged with fuel.

Pakistan should put it's all effort to build nuclear power plant.
Where as, India has 14 reactors in commercial operation and nine under construction. Nuclear power supplies about 3% of India's electricity.
By 2050, nuclear power is expected to provide 25% of the country's electricity
India has limited coal and uranium reserves, but its huge thorium reserves - about 25% of the world's total - are expected to fuel its nuclear power program long-term.


Source: Uranium Information Center

How come Chashma II is done before Chashma I? Isnt it meant to be other way round!

^^ Chashma=Chashma I

Pakistan objects to IAEA-India nuke agreement

VIENNA: Pakistan has warned that a deal to allow outside inspection of some of India’s nuclear facilities could lead to a renewed atomic arms race between the two rivals. The warning, in a letter addressed to more than 60 nations, comes less than two weeks before the 35-nation IAEA board meets for likely approval of a so-called safeguards agreement setting up inspection rules for agency experts of some of India’s civilian nuclear facilities. ap

Pakistan should be given equal status, so that she can have bigger nuclear power plants of 1000MW.

Good move by Pakistan. We should let the world know about our legitimate concerns. We should be crystal clear about our intentions and the consequences if the illicit deal goes through. We should seize the opportunity and justify our expansion of nuke reactors with Chinese input. It cannot be tolerated that exceptions are being made for chosen ones. Pakistan has every right to build more powerful and sophisticated nuke reactors for civilian and military purposes. In fact, nuke reactors ought to be popping up like mushrooms all over the country. It's a disgrace that in the past decade no new nuke reactors have been added to address civilian needs.

India has enough nuclear weapons to defend itself’

NEW DELHI: India has enough nuclear weapons to defend itself and it does not intend to stockpile weapons by signing the Indo-US nuclear deal, said Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Sunday. Speaking at a function in Kolkata, he said India wanted to generate more energy and create scope for nuclear research. Defending the government’s policy on the nuclear deal, he said, “We have enough arsenal in our possession and a strong force to defend our country. So we don’t need to sign the nuclear deal for stocking weapons. It has a much larger implication.” app

Same logic should be applied for Pakistan, as wanted to generate more energy and create scope for nuclear research, because it has sufficient stockpile of weapons to defend itself .

Pak Nuclear -diplomacy comes to a full stop
Shame on



ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) has finally sprung into action to counter the Indian efforts to get a country-specific safeguards agreement from the IAEA and then move on to seeking similar concessions from the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group (NSG).

Pakistan has always supported a criteria-based principle for any exception to the nonproliferation norms to be made by the IAEA and the NSG. In this regard, Pakistan had already sent a letter to the IAEA Board of Governors (BoG), which will be taking up the Indian dictated IAEA draft in the coming days, asking for a vote in the BoG on this issue.

There were two reasons behind this move: One, to expose those member states that have been holding forth on nonproliferation but would go along with making an exception to India; and, two, to see how many of Pakistan’s Arab allies, who are presently members of the IAEA Board would vote. The US and India are seeking an agreement by consensus without putting the issue to vote.

In addition to a letter from Pakistan’s ambassador to Austria and the IAEA, as part of the MFA’s strategy on this issue, the foreign secretary also wanted to send a letter to the NSG states asking them to adopt a criteria-based approach for sensitive technology transfers rather than country-based exceptions.

The third leg of the MFA strategy was to send an envoy - preferably a seasoned diplomat - to our ally China to get them to lend support to the Pakistani approach vis-a-vis the IAEA and the NSG.

Unfortunately, as soon as the Pakistani letter was sent to the IAEA BoG, the US got moving and conveyed to Islamabad that Pakistan had already given a commitment, through a previous Foreign Secretary, that it will offer no opposition to the US pursuing India-specific exceptions at the IAEA and the NSG.

As a result the MFA was asked to stop all activities meant to counter India-US moves on safeguards and technology exports at the IAEA and the NSG respectively. The net result has been that all diplomatic efforts by Pakistan have come to a grinding halt and the special envoy’s mission had to be aborted midway.

This despite the fact that many Western IAEA and NSG members are firm adherents to the non-proliferation regime and are uncomfortable with the Indo-US nuclear deal - which is why the US and India do not want to put the safeguards agreement to vote in the IAEA BoG. Incidentally, the halting of the MFA’s diplomacy took place while the foreign secretary was in India for talks.

It is important to remember that Pakistan has been signing the normal non-NPT member states’ Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA, seeking no exit clauses or other exceptions. Interestingly, although the US has consistently and publicly stated that it will not sign a nuclear deal with Pakistan on similar lines to the Indo-US nuclear deal, Pakistan’s new de jure foreign minister has naively sought to declare, like his predecessors, that Pakistan will seek such a deal.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16264

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Pakistan undecided about seeking IAEA vote on Indian deal


Because of immense US pressure, Pakistan has still not decided whether to press for a vote on the India-specific IAEA safeguards agreement when the UN nuclear watchdog’s board of governors meets on Friday.

“For us, national security is supreme and the government will do everything in its power to defend it,” Foreign Office spokesman Mohammad Sadiq said at his weekly press briefing without saying anything about Pakistan’s preparation for dealing with the issue at the IAEA board meeting.

An approval of the proposed safeguards agreement by the IAEA will be a decisive step in the completion of the India-US nuclear deal.

Pakistan, one of the 35 members of the IAEA board, has written a note of dissent describing a draft of the safeguards agreement as “discriminatory and dangerous” and called for its amendment.

Pakistan’s principled position on the issue is that a non-discriminatory approach based on objective criteria on access to civilian nuclear technology should be adopted, offering equal opportunity to both Pakistan and India by meeting the relevant benchmarks.

The IAEA board routinely decides a matter through consensus, except when a board member presses for a vote. In that event the matter is decided by simple majority. The IAEA board went for such a vote two years ago over Iran’s nuclear programme.

A call for vote by Pakistan, diplomatic sources say, will be merely symbolic given the fact that the US and other key world powers are backing the agreement.

As an indication of the American pressure on Pakistan to avoid dissent and call for vote, US Ambassador to India David Mulford recently said that his government was talking to Pakistan and was confident that it would see the issue “in right light” and “be cooperative”.

Mr Mulford said the US was “concerned” about Pakistan’s role at the IAEA and was “working on that” for which it had done a bit of direct conversation with Pakistan.

Wary of Pakistan’s opposition, India has launched an intense diplomatic effort to win support for the nuclear deal in the IAEA board.

The FO spokesman reiterated Pakistan’s interest in working with other countries for producing nuclear energy to meet its growing needs.

“Pakistan is keenly interested in having cooperation with the international community in the production of nuclear energy under safeguards.”

Mr Sadiq expressed the hope that the US would eventually offer nuclear energy cooperation to Pakistan under its energy cooperation agreement.

Pakistan expects same US-India nuclear deal:

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Tuesday said Pakistan expects from United States the similar kind of nuclear deal it made with India. “There should be no discrimination. If they want to give such nuclear status to India, we expect the same for Pakistan,” the Prime Minister said in a conversation with Richard N. Haass, President of Council on Foreign Relations at a meeting jointly organized with the Middle East Institute here.

The Prime Minister who responded to a number of questions from the audience, spoke at length on variety of issues including terrorism and extremism, Pak-US relations, economy and the scope of democracy in the country.

Prime Minister Gilani said the government wanted to have cordial relations with all its neighbours including India and Afghanistan, considering it a guarantee to regional peace.
(APP).

IAEA approves India's safeguards agreement

VIENNA: The 35-nation governing body of the International Atomic Energy Agency has approved the India's safeguards agreement.

The Director-General of the IAEA, Mohammed el-Baradei gave the opening statement.

The text, said Dr. el-Baradei, "is an Infcirc/66-type safeguards agreement based on the Agency's standard safeguards practices and procedures" for states that are not party to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. These agreements "are not comprehensive or full-scope safeguards agreements", he added.

Describing the Indian draft as an "umbrella agreement" providing for any facility notified by India to become subject to Agency safeguards in the future, the IAEA DG said he expects to begin implementation of safeguards at new Indian facilities in 2009.

Dr. el-Baradei said the "umbrella" nature of the agreement provides for a "more efficient mechanism for ensuring that safeguards requirements can be met". "It satisfies India's needs while maintaining all the Agency's legal requirements".

Please wait both for 1000MW reactor and the 4th gen reactors.

some sources are listed below, check it if you need.

http://www.chinanuclear.cn/bbs/index.php?langid=1
(a nuclear forum and I think english discussion can be accepted)
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/6700925.html (details about reactors development)

Pakistan close to boosting atom bomb ability’

Pakistan is close to completing a second plutonium-producing reactor, and is well into building a third, and these reactors could increase its ability to make atomic bombs, a United States think-tank said on Thursday.

“The wider implication ... (is that) there is a real risk this will exacerbate an India-Pakistan nuclear arms race and increase tensions more broadly between the two,” the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) said in a report.

The report included commercial satellite images taken two weeks ago and in February and May showing construction of the second and third Khushab complexes.

The 10-page report estimated the reactors would run on power of “about 100-megawatts or more”, which could enable the two combined to yield plutonium for 8 to 10 atomic bombs a year.

Pakistan has an operating heavy-water reactor and heavy-water production plant already at Khushab.

A row of cooling towers indicated the second reactor was close to completion and could be ready to operate in a year’s time, according to the 10-page report.

“Once completed, these reactors will increase several-fold Pakistan’s ability to make weapons-grade plutonium (fuel).” “When finished...will allow a significant increase in the quantity and quality of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.”

The report said India could easily match Pakistan’s moves given its own ability to churn out plutonium in heavy water reactors and a fast-breeder reactor under construction.

Pakistan built its first nuclear power station in 1972 with Canadian help.

But Western countries, under pressure from Washington, later severed cooperation amid suspicion that Pakistan was covertly developing nuclear weapons.

reuters

305MW power unit to be set up at Port Qasim


ISLAMABAD, Oct 13: Progas Pakistan and KUB Malaysia Berhad have won the bid to construct a 305 MW independent power project at Port Qasim.

According to Private Power and Infrastructure Board (PPIB) here on Monday, out of the 12 bids received, three bids of Progas Energy, Cavalier Energy and Ruba Energy Pakistan were approved for construction of three independent power projects with total power generating capacity of 929.06 MW and two bids of Karkey, Karadeniz Eledkrik Uretim AS and Walters Power International were approved for renting of two power generators of 418.802 MW capacity.—APP

China to provide more N-reactors to Pakistan

* Beijing privately agrees to follow ‘step-by-step’ approach to fulfill Pak energy needs: CBS

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: China has privately agreed to follow a ‘step-by-step’ approach to fulfilling Pakistan’s aspiration for an expanded nuclear energy programme, rather than sign an ambitious civil nuclear programme of the kind recently struck between the US and India, a CBS News report published Friday quoted senior Pakistani and Western officials as saying.

The report said, “Private discussions are believed to have been held on expanded nuclear co-operation” between President Asif Ali Zardari and Chinese leaders during Zardari’s four-day visit to China.

It said a senior Pakistani official, privy to the discussions, claimed Thursday China had agreed to “consider further nuclear power reactors to fulfil our needs. The relationship (on the nuclear issue) remains intact”. “There is now a complete understanding on our future co-operation,” he added.

According to the report, Western diplomats said China was interested in maintaining a stable relationship with Pakistan for a number of reasons. “China sees its relationship with Pakistan as a way to counter-balance growing US ties with India,” it said.
Another Pakistani official however told CBS News on condition of anonymity China was eager to avoid a ‘direct confrontation’ with the West on its nuclear energy co-operation with Pakistan. “China is not seeking a head-on clash with anyone. It wants to broaden its relations with Pakistan but without the risk of a stiff US reaction,” the official said.

Source: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...8-10-2008_pg1_3

China, Pakistan to co-operate on civilian N-energy



BEIJING/ISLAMABAD: China reiterated on Tuesday it will continue to co-operate with Pakistan in its endeavour in the civilian nuclear energy field.

“I have repeated on many occasions that we have sound co-operation and relations with Pakistan”, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in response to a question during a press briefing. “We would like to continue this co-operation on the basis of equality and mutual benefit,” he said.

“Such co-operation is for peaceful purpose,” and consistent with the two countries’ respective international obligations and subject to International Atomic Energy Agency supervision, he said.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...2-10-2008_pg7_4

No, that means that Pakistan will get Chinese help regardless of NSG BS.

During kargil, we were under sanctions, and a lot of International obligations were oblidged by China!

Spot on!

We were under arms embargo, think military help, just like that!
Think before 12 O'Clock though, we don't have that much time for useless ponder.

Tons of missiles flew in.
Both S2S, and A2G.

No, that means China will export nuclear plants to Pakistan regardless of NSG. But as a respect for NSG, those plants will open to NSG's supervision.

S2S were useless in Kargil if we're talking BMs, do you mean MLRS and BaktarShikans (both were locally made so import unlikely), stuff used to take out partially hardened targets?

A2G can't be true since PAF wasn't employed in Kargil.

Yeah it was one of those usually "doctored" evidences of Indian which the wold knows later not to hold any real truth in it ! As usual during the initial Phase Indian would claim to have concrete evidence and later on when contacted the evidence is hay wire ... like the Parliament bombing ... half a million troops on our border with scores lost to accidents & friendly fire & self walking on mines & with the court case in Indian court under Indian laws, Indian lawyers, Indian witnesses and the verdict is hanging of an guy from Indian held Kashmir, which up to this day India cannot hang due to his popularity in Indian held kashmir !

S2S were quick effective as ultimately India has to bring it's full arsenal of LGB & Mirage 2000 .. the only plane which was really hightec enough to do high altitude bombing on the bunkers of the mujahadeen .. This all happened after India lost it's pilot against SAM!

mustaf, I mean what kind of S2S? Even an RPG is technically S2S, but the general impression of the term is ballistic missiles, which couldn't be used in that situation.

Missiles flew in, that's the subject.
What we used, how we used, is not in line here.

Again, we were under sanctions, and contrary to the sardar who cries before 12 O'Clock, China did supply us arms in a conflict, breaking the embargo.
Do you now comprehend, yah aap key bhi barah baj gaey?

Whatever the time was, but Indian army ka band baj gaya tha, with official casualty figure of around 500 and unofficially the number exceeding 2500.

However the 2500 figure seemed more realistic as the Indian defence ministry ordered some 3000 coffins and the former defence minister George Fernandes

was quick to capatilise on the juicy incentive, by reciving kickbacks on the blood money.

All was exposed by the "Tehelka" scandal.

Any way what's the issue with this Sardar, if he can't recall how Pakistan helped their Khalistan cause, then it's definatley .....midnight.!!!!

^ They come to Pakistan for their Prilgrimage man!
Compare that to Golden Temple and their divine Gandhi.


We had a traitor in our midst, kiya karey? Wish he'd run to Amritsar, we'd have let you keep him without the 12 O'Clock curfew.
Saath Zardari bhi dey deytey, buy one get another at 10%.

Just like Clinton saying in ur parliament had it not been for USA Pakistani army would not have withdrawn... Ie he is telling you that Had it not been for USA Pakistan army was gonna Woop ur A$$ back to dehli.....


THan Israel came out with, hey had it not been for ISRAEL india would have nothing to use in Kargil and It was ISRAEL which saved India....

LOL

U can get off ur lazy A$$ and do research.... Its not like it happend yesterday, 1999 is when kargil war happend and ended.. cant recall which article it was quoted in.

Well lets have a close look at the stituation...

USA pressured Pakistan to withdraw,

USA threated Pakistan with Isloation if it does not pull back..


SO if as u said Sherif went USA for help than y would USA make such threats????

The joke was actually that inspite of all the Rajiv Corruption Theory, none of the Bofors could be used to save grace.
The reality was that Singh was the one who put daru in a water bottle only to say what you're claiming; 'hum dhai inch key concorde prik ki itni dhulai life time mey nahee huaee".

Mr Singh forget about Jamshed Gulzar he is these days doing politics and ego politics like mr Nawaz Sharif with regard to Musharraf.

AS fare Kargil well my dear whatever happend but one thing is clear that some unexperince young boys have given Indian army a big run.

You must be knowing well that while you enter your enemies territory you need a safe and stable supply line/s, whereas during Kargil episode the biggest problem Pakistan faced was lack of stable supply line and you can imagine if your forced are stranded in enemy teritory what will be the situtaion without any back up.


The only bad thing which i feel on our part is that our government did not have the courage to have indepth analysis of the episode so that in future they can take care of all aspects in such a situation.

On the other hand India has already did that analysis.

One Indian was enough to derail it all. We should be more focused than that. Lets all please get back to the topic...future installation of N-power plants in Pakistan.

Not in Kargil, they didn't!
Your field tests, who cares really.


Scroll up, re-read.
That was the exclaimation of the Singh after we gave you guys a good bleaching, but the 12 O'Clock daru made him believe otherwise.

Shanghai (AFP) Nov 24, 2008

China National Nuclear Corp., the country's biggest nuclear reactor builder, said Monday it has begun building a plant in the southeast as part of the government's economic stimulus plans.

The 100 billion-yuan (14.6 billion-dollar) plant in Fuqing in the province of Fujian will have six 1,000-megawatt reactors, the state-run company said in a statement.

China announced a four trillion yuan (586 billion dollars) stimulus package on November 9 in which it plans to spend on infrastructure and other projects until 2010 to help the country weather the global finance crunch.

China has been seeking to expand its use of nuclear power, which accounts for less than two percent of its total energy production.

The fast-growing economic power is highly dependent on coal, which is blamed for worsening pollution and proved risky when supplies were cut off by severe snowstorms during the winter.

China currently has 11 nuclear reactors in operation and will need up to 30 more atomic power plants if it expects to realise its target of producing 40 gigawatts of nuclear energy by 2020.
http://www.nuclearpowerdaily.com/reports/C...s_plan_999.html

Hopefully Pakistan will get the 1000 MW, as of now China is providing 300 MW unit.