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HAROON RASOOL
Yesterday GEO was showing the information of the MRTP-33 missile boats from Turkey.

In November 2006 the Pakistan Navy ordered two MRTP-33 missile boats from Turkey - The first to be delivered in 2008.

The Navy has an overall requirement of eight MRTP-33s.

They are supposed to be delivered sometime in 2008 which is in its second quarter.

Does anyone have any idea when these are to be delivered?
Mark Sien
GEO reported that the first MRTP-33 has been inducted, PNS Zarrar.
Rooh Afza
Second was delivered today, there is a report in DAWN.
Alkhalid-19
QUOTE(Rooh Afza @ Apr 11 2008, 03:06 PM) *
Second was delivered today, there is a report in DAWN.


I have seen them yestarday at geotv CALLED "SHABAHZ2 " not the missile Boats but the fast Mrtp-31 (the other version) there were SSG Soldiers they have jumped from the air ( Helicopter) and than landet in the water...in the backround I had see them........................
impaki
dude the PNS zarrar was inducted last year..

we are soon to get another one...... PakistanFlag.gif


http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/27/local6.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/27/images/local01.jpg

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=83027
Mark Sien
My mistake...then it is a 2nd MRTP-33 and it is definitely called PNS Karrar
faz101
Yes, the latest ship inducted is the second of the MRTP-33s that we ordered...I know there's at least one picture floating around somewhere as well for those interested....it has a very unusual (by PN standards) camo.
HAROON RASOOL
QUOTE(faz101 @ Apr 12 2008, 01:00 AM) *
Yes, the latest ship inducted is the second of the MRTP-33s that we ordered...I know there's at least one picture floating around somewhere as well for those interested....it has a very unusual (by PN standards) camo.


Yes indeed. I don't like the camo too. but may be its the requirement of the PN.
HAROON RASOOL
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KARACHI, Nov 26: The Pakistan Navy inducted into its fleet the first “multi-role tactical platform 33” at a ceremony at the PN Dockyard on Monday. The attack craft PNS Zarrar has been acquired from Turkey and is planned to be fitted with guns and missiles needed for its role in coastal defence and offensive operations.

Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Mohammad Afzal Tahir, who was chief guest at the commissioning ceremony, said: “It is a moment of rejoice and pride for the nation in general and Pakistan Navy in particular.”

He said this potent platform equipped with an advanced weapon system would strengthen the PN’s defence capabilities. He observed that the security situation in the region remained unpredictable and “we cannot afford to lower our guard.”—PPI


What type of missiles it would have finally? US made Harpoons or Babur/Raad? Penguin or Mark please advice.
Mark Sien
Harpoon Block-II missiles...and I think the Turkish STAMP/STOP gun?
OmaR UK
Pakistan Navy inducts Karrar into its fleet

Pakistan Navy (PN) ship Karrar, the second Multi-Role Tactical Platform (MRTP-33) vessel, was commissioned into the Pakistan Navy in an impressive ceremony on Friday at the PN dockyard. Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir was the chief guest at the event. The admiral said that several large shipbuilding and port construction projects currently underway were indicative of the rapid growth in the maritime sector.

He said the near-permanent shape of the coalition maritime campaign was an indicator of the unpredictable nature of the maritime environment, and thanked the Turkish government for providing assistance in strengthening the defence needs of the Pakistan Navy.

In his welcome address, Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff (Projects) Rear Admiral Azhar Shamim highlighted the significance of the project, in which several modifications were made in the internal design of the boat to suit PN requirements.
*Zarrar Jareeh*
QUOTE(omarleeds @ Apr 12 2008, 09:47 AM) *
Pakistan Navy inducts Karrar into its fleet

Pakistan Navy (PN) ship Karrar, the second Multi-Role Tactical Platform (MRTP-33) vessel, was commissioned into the Pakistan Navy in an impressive ceremony on Friday at the PN dockyard. Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir was the chief guest at the event. The admiral said that several large shipbuilding and port construction projects currently underway were indicative of the rapid growth in the maritime sector.

He said the near-permanent shape of the coalition maritime campaign was an indicator of the unpredictable nature of the maritime environment, and thanked the Turkish government for providing assistance in strengthening the defence needs of the Pakistan Navy.

In his welcome address, Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff (Projects) Rear Admiral Azhar Shamim highlighted the significance of the project, in which several modifications were made in the internal design of the boat to suit PN requirements.


platinum786
looks good, the progress in our military is truly morale boosting.

I think they intend to use them in more shallow waters, hence the camoflauge... thou it is entirely feasible they could be used as fast attack boats to be put on the offensive.
Skull-Buster
how is the MRTP-33 compared to the missile boats we manufacture locally?
Mark Sien
QUOTE(Skull-Buster @ Apr 12 2008, 11:48 AM) *
how is the MRTP-33 compared to the missile boats we manufacture locally?

MRTP-33s are faster, lower-RCS and probably armed with better sensors & electronics.

Though it appears the PN will be using its MRTP-33s for special-forces related missions such as deep-penentration.
HAROON RASOOL
QUOTE(Skull-Buster @ Apr 12 2008, 04:48 PM) *
how is the MRTP-33 compared to the missile boats we manufacture locally?


You must be talking about the Four (04) Jalalt Class Missile Boats. Aren't ya?

They are:

P1022 Jalalat 1997
P1024 Shujaat 1999
P1023 Jurrat 2006
P1028 Quwwat 2006
P1029 Unknown
P1030 Unknown

All I know is that the Jalalat Class Missile Boats are Heavier and Less agile as compared to the MRTP-33 Class Fast Missile Boats.

Would anyone please shed some light on this issue (Jalalat Class vs MRTP-33 Class)....?
Best of the Best
Wasnt this baby suppose to have a automated Cannon in the front like shown in the video either i am blind or this baby hasnt been weaponised or it configured in a different way.
HAROON RASOOL
Where is Penguin. His posta used to be very informative. Specially on the Naval Vessels and equipments.
Londo Molari
Wow Zarrar, that picture is beautiful...

Look at the front of the ship... the hull seems like its dividing into 3 parts... catamaran style... the shadows must be playing tricks on my eyes

QUOTE(HAROON RASOOL @ Apr 12 2008, 12:04 PM) *
Would anyone please shed some light on this issue (Jalalat Class vs MRTP-33 Class)....?

The MRTP-33 is a stealthy 80 tonne patrol boat. It will be armed to the teeth with a dual-use gun, 4 anti-ship missiles, and possibly a shoulder-fired SAM system. It will be good at sneaking into hostile areas undetected for reconnaissance, or delivering a tiny force of SSG, or attacking a big enemy warship if it gets close to our coast.

The Jalalat on the other hand are mini-warships. They carry virtually the same armament, 4 anti-ship missiles, dual use-gun and possibly shoulder-fired SAM. But their 200 tonne displacement lets them go much further into deep sees in rougher sea-states to attack enemy warships, using their high-mounted radar to locate them and exploit the full-range of their anti-ship missiles. They were made to make up for Pakistan's current lack of major surface combatants like frigates. They have a lot more search and rescue gear as well as cargo capacity. But they are not stealthy or speedy so they are not good for special forces delivery or reconnaissance. They are made in Pakistan using a German design, and Chinese weaponry.
Jalalat-I


Jalalat-II
HAROON RASOOL
QUOTE(Londo Molari @ Apr 12 2008, 06:58 PM) *
The MRTP-33 is a stealthy 80 tonne patrol boat. It will be armed to the teeth with a dual-use gun, 4 anti-ship missiles, and possibly a shoulder-fired SAM system. It will be good at sneaking into hostile areas undetected for reconnaissance, or delivering a tiny force of SSG, or attacking a big enemy warship if it gets close to our coast.

The Jalalat on the other hand are mini-warships. They carry virtually the same armament, 4 anti-ship missiles, dual use-gun and possibly shoulder-fired SAM. But their 200 tonne displacement lets them go much further into deep sees in rougher sea-states to attack enemy warships, using their high-mounted radar to locate them and exploit the full-range of their anti-ship missiles. They were made to make up for Pakistan's current lack of major surface combatants like frigates. They have a lot more search and rescue gear as well as cargo capacity. But they are not stealthy or speedy so they are not good for special forces delivery or reconnaissance. They are made in Pakistan using a German design, and Chinese weaponry.


Thanks Londo for the info. I really appreciate it.
PakShaheen
Really Nice.

As for as Jalalat Vs. MRTP-33

Here is Specs ()

Jalalat (FAST ATTACK MISSILE BOAT)
ACTIVE : 4
HULLS :
HAIBAT P 1021 JALALAT P 1022 JURAT P 1023 SHUJAAT P 1024

DISPLACEMENT, tons : 68 standard; 79.2 full load

Source Pakdef.info (Naval Forces Page)

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THE 33 METRE Fast Patrol / Attack Craft
The advanced composite ONUK MRTP®33 Fast Patrol / Attack Craft is the extended and improved version of the 90 tonne ONUK MRTP®29 ("KAAN 29” Class) of the Turkish Coast Guard. ONUK MRTP®33 is developed as a versatile multi role platform for the increasingly tough requirements of the naval and law enforcement forces to control the littoral and the coastal waters.

Internally, the advanced machinery systems and arrangement result in a vessel with greatly enhanced operability, maintainability and accommodation standards.

PRIMARY ROLES
Mastery of the littoral can not be presumed. It does not derive directly from command of the high seas. It is an objective which requires our focused skills and resources. ONUK MRTP®33 "Fast Patrol / Attack Craft” has been designed for this purpose, capable of carrying out a wide range of littoral and coastal water law enforcement-naval duties and open sea rescue, including:
Patrol / Escort / Fast attack
Search and rescue
Anti smuggling
Pollution control
Anti terrorist protection of the coastal and offshore installations
Surveillance / Covert surveillance
Seal insertion-extraction

BACKGROUND:
As of January 2004, 9 units of the "KAAN 29" Class boats (31,70m, 45+ knots) under DNV classification (HSLC Patrol R2) are operational. Boat number 10 of 90 tonne was constructed as the first ONUK MRTP®33 (35,60m, 120 tonne, 47+ knots) as continuation of the project others are under construction at the shipyard.

The new member of the MRTP® (Multi Role Tactical Platform) family of boats, a concept created and developed by Kaan N.Z. Onuk; has improved sea keeping, highly stealthy characteristics, and is able to carry larger mission equipment/payload such as combined 30mm gun and short range SSM stabilized launcher, surface-to-surface medium range F&F fiber guided missiles, EO fire control systems and decoys.

PERFORMANCE:
Speed and seakeeping:
The ONUK MRTP®33 has been developed for a tough professional use with excellent performance qualities at both low and high speeds and strong emphasis on seakeeping. The ONUK OE-01 deep V hull, depending on engine selection and boat configuration, will enable the boat to reach speeds up to 64 knots in calm waters and up to 40 knots in Sea State 4. ONUK MRTP®33 has a soft and dry ride in adverse conditions, offering, thus, an outstanding platform for the various tasks in the brown waters and the open sea.

The MJP water jet drive system provides extreme maneuverability with high precision control and a very shallow draught, enhancing the operation in confined waters or intercepting/boarding larger ships in rough seas.


Stability: Intact-Damaged:
Commercial and Turkish / NATO naval standards have been applied to the ONUK MRTP®33 for the intact and damaged stability. ONUK MRTP®33 meets the DNV standards as well as Turkish Navy and NATO criteria for damaged stability and will remain afloat and upright with flooding in any single main compartment.

CONSTRUCTION AND COMPONENTS:
ONUK MRTP®33 is built in advanced composites to satisfy the very tough requirements of an intensive professional use together with a long service life. The benefits of the advanced composite structure are:

WEIGHT REDUCTION
* Improved Performance
* Increased Payload
* Fuel Savings

CORROSION RESISTANCE
*Longer service life
* Maintenance savings

IMPROVED
* Threat avoidance/detection
* Ballistic protection

REDUCED SIGNATURES
* Machinery vibration/acoustic
* Magnetic signature
* Heat signature

The hull and superstructure are constructed to Det Norske Veritas (DNV) HSLC Patrol R2 classification. All boats of the series are delivered with the relevant DNV Certificates.

The helm station and the interiors have been designed in line with the SAE recommendations for ergonomics to provide the crew with maximum comfort and minimum fatigue in prolonged use in heavy seas.


Machinery and propulsion
The CODAG high-speed propulsion system consists of two MTU 16V2000M90 diesels and a Honeywell TF50 gas turbine; all driving through MJP water jets. The diesels will allow 28 knots patrol speed, while the gas turbine will enable the boat to reach it's maximum speed. CODOG and all diesel propulsion systems are available on request. Depending on the mission and speed requirements, the ONUK MRTP®33 can be equipped with different components for optimum operational efficiency/price ratio.

The mechanical components are selected with the intensive professional use in mind. They offer a high level of reliability, despite the extreme performance requirements.

MISSION MODULES
ONUK MRTP®33 can be equipped with various mission modules depending on the customer requirements. Despite the size of the platform, these modules have been integrated with the modularity and reconfigurability objectives in mind. Thus, the platform can be reconfigured with different mission modules, increasing dramatically the operational flexibility and reducing the costs. The mission modules would be:
Multi weapon mounts.
- Stabilized naval turret with up to 30 mm. gun
(+ short range SSM).
- Medium range SSM (Total weights up to 5 tons).
- Short range SAM.
- 2 x 12.7 mm. heavy MG.
Multi sensor surveillance unit
(EOD with capabilty of controlling the main gun).
Search and rescue equipment
Decoys
SOF (Special Operation Forces) support/SDV (Seal Delivery Vehicle)
Pollution control


DIMENSIONS, ft (m) : 88.6 x 20.7 x 4.3 (27 x 6.3 x 1.3)
MAIN MACHINERY : 4 Type L-12V-180 diesels; 4,800 hp(m) (3.53 MW); 4 shafts
SPEED, knots : 37.5.
RANGE, miles : 400 at 30 kt
COMPLEMENT : 17 (2 officers)
MISSILES : SSM: 2 SY 1; active radar or IR homing to 45 km (24.3 n miles) at 0.9 Mach; warhead 513 kg.
GUNS : 2 Norinco 25 mm/80 (twin); 270 rds/min to 3 km (1.6 n miles); weight of shell 0.34 kg.
RADARS : Surface search: Square Tie; I-band.

COMMENT : Two transferred in May and two in October 1981. Steel hull version of `Komar' class.

DISP.STANDARD (tonnes) :69.0
DISP.FULL LOAD (tonnes) :80.4
LENGTH (m) : 27.00
BEAM (m) : 6.3
DRAUGHT (m) :1.3
SPEED (knots) : 37.5
RANGE (nm) : 400.0
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Source
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http://www.yonca-onuk.com/mrtp_33.htm
HAROON RASOOL
Any chances of Indegineous manufacturing in Pakistan? with 70-80% Transfer of Technology? or may be full ToT ? I think Pakistan would need them in big numbers instead of Eight (08).
Mark Sien
QUOTE(HAROON RASOOL @ Apr 12 2008, 02:46 PM) *
Any chances of Indegineous manufacturing in Pakistan? with 70-80% Transfer of Technology? or may be full ToT ? I think Pakistan would need them in big numbers instead of Eight (08).

Well we're directly ordering 8 (got 2 so far), so I doubt there will be local manufacturing for this model exclusively. I have a feeling that we'll be looking to phase to produce a robust coastal defence network by using smaller corvettes in the 500-750-ton range, stealthy FACs and normal patrol boats. Something like the Visby for the 500-750-ton range could really be a good addition...IIRC the Turks are developing their equivalent of Visby in the MRTP-70.
PakShaheen
Other than that PN's facilities will be busy in building F-22P frigates for next decade. May be another Corvettes likre Milgim etc. So these Karar Class MRTP will be inducted into PN ready-made.
UGUR
the producer is private company and also supplying boats to turkish navy.
it is called yonja-onuk ...
unfo the designer of the boat which pakistan bought , died in car accident at his young age few years ago
his name was kaan.. he was brillant young man...
their boats are fully composite ,quick and effective...
Pak Raptor
May he rest in peace... and recieve Jannat
Mark Sien
QUOTE(PakShaheen @ Apr 12 2008, 06:12 PM) *
Other than that PN's facilities will be busy in building F-22P frigates for next decade. May be another Corvettes likre Milgim etc. So these Karar Class MRTP will be inducted into PN ready-made.

KSEW will produce 1 F-22P by 2013, and then be producing MILGEM and new-FFG (TF-100?) from then on.
gcobra
what i heard from turkish defence forum , ships are empty now.weapons and defence systems will mount later(harpoon , stop vs...)
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