Indian missile system started back in the 50s on a five folder programme namely Agni,Pirthivi,Akash,Trishul and Nag consisting of surface to surface surface to air and anti-tank systems to this date the only reliable delivery system inducted is the Pirthvi missile with a range of 300 kilometres subsequent versions of this missile are still undergoing tests pride of India the Agni missile tested last time landed 200 kilometres off target. Akash after several years of testing has been shelved for reasons best known to the Indians. Trishul is being replaced by Israeli and Russian systems.The Nag proved to be as deadily as the Holy Cow. When Pakistan tested the first of the Hatf series the Indian military chiefs regarded it as a mere fire cracker where as over the years the firecracker has earned the reputation of being called the Safron Slayer and Bombay Blasters. Pakistan has not only successfuly tested about a dozen diffrent delivery systems but most astoundingly within a space of 20 years have operationally inducted half a dozen delivery systems the Hatf 1,Abdali,Ghaznavi,Shaheen 1,Ghauri,Anza mk 1 and 2,The Green Arrow and The Babur cruise missile.They are all operational with the Pakistan strategic forces. Where as Ghauri 2 and Shaheen 2 are in advanced testing stages the biggest shock for the world the Taimur is waiting in the pipelines.
My advice to the Indians is that they should stick to making propganda films such as Border and LOC by doing that they can fool none other than their own public and increase the non morale of their soldiers.

Well, Bro nice to be patriotic but we must not consider out enemy weak by any means. Any how I am more intresting in learning about Green Arrow and Taimur missiles. what are they and when did Green Arrow inducted and what kind of missile is this??

The Green arrow is an anti tank missile amongst other countries it was sold to saudi arabia who wrecked havock on Iraqi tanks during the first gulf war.It was first inducted by the pakistan army in 1988-89 also called baktar shikan newer and more deadily versions have since been introduced.
Taimur is a highly classified project lets say we are talking about launching satteilites as far as the enemys concerned beleive me the babur cruise missile is suffiecient enough to take care the so called threat. Pakshaheen keep your chin up

too much excitement....coool...

Yeah Baktar Shikan we all know. Any how there is some work to be completed soon

1- Increase range of Babur
2-Developed a navylized version of Babur.
3-SLV, indeed we need that desperately...

PS: don't you worry bro, i will keep chin up...

We have the best weapon of all...guaranteed to take any country to the gutter.

SLV indeed Pakistan's top most military and strategic need at this point of time not only that but whole Satellite system. I know we can have access to Chinese GPS if required; But we must catch india in this field as well and that too sooner then later.

desi style democracy?

Correct...nothing shines like Sharif's head; nothing's louder the echos in our national treasury; no one is sexier than Gilani...don't care what you say.

AoA bro,

What is the Taimur?

With Salam and Regards / Shahid

To Shahid the Taimur is a satteilite system designed to help blow up Indians
With Salam And Regards Bro

Sorry Shahid Its a Pakistani Delivery system still in the piplines ignore the last message:PakistanFlag:

Ahh it sounds too interesting!!

More info needed :-p

With Salam and Regards /Shahid

thankf brothers,
very important informations :)

will some one tell me, how long we will be able to launch our own sattalite ?

We hav our own satellite, Al Badr 2.[Correct me if iam wrong]

But if u are talking about a space shuttle then bother waiting for 10 more years

Brother, airomerix
i mean , satellite launch . like we often heard, russia launch from Bekaneer etc
that thing , when we will launch it ?
regards

LOL. You forgot Zardari's long and proud moustache or the beautiful mole on Altaf bhai's chin. These are our leaders who are going to take us into the 21st century with a bang.

Cough!!! Sneeze!!! Cough!!!! Or by just scraping through.


But jokes aside even the CIA acknowledges this fact that Pakistan missiles system are in more advanced stage than the Indian missile system.

Taimur =possible ICBM

Taimur or Tipu, one of them has to be!!

and the other a SLV...

what about
Shaheen 3? and Ghauri 3?

Multi target systems, minature war heads? somewhere in between a sub launch version!

india is currently testing hypersonic brahamos with 1000kms range. thats the biggest threat to pakistan....

Let me assure you, Pakistan has every inch in sight and covered! Testing is one thing, operationall succes is an other matter,the list of Indian failures is depressing. Pakistan may still surprise all!!!!!!!

Some may agree with me and some may disagree with me but all i have to say is that whether its pakistan or india we both got a delivery system it doesnt matter who got better, its like my car is better than yours lol but the fact of the matter is that india and pakistan both got nuclear capabilities and both can hit each other and incase of a war(which is unlikely) they both can destroy each other and thats not gonna happen. So as far as ohh we can hit all parts of india, india can hit all parts of pakistan we should be worried about how to reduce poverty yes yes i am in a good mood right now lol


SPEEDY
enjoy

Nice thought, good words and best intent ! Unfortunatley we live in a part of world where dialogue has achived very little, wars are no solution either but the brinkman ship prevails or as they say might is right ! in any case SPEEDY, maintain your speed.

Regards

So Tipu and Taimur are basically the same, one is just the SLV while the other one is the ICBM?

These are highly classified projects, lets just say we are well in the race!

Bro, India is already ahead in SLV tech, as they are launching commercial projects.

they have purchased a SLV. they did not make one, we will make one...

The PSLV is indigenous. The GSLV so far used cryogenic upper stages supplied by Russia. Though, finally after eleven years of research India managed to develop the technology indigenously.

On November 15, 2007 the indigenously developed "Cryogenic Upper Stage" was tested for 720 seconds, its full flight duration. The test was conducted at the Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre, ISRO's rocket engine test facility in Tamil Nadu. The testing qualified the flight stage for use on the next GSLV launch (GSLV-D3), scheduled to take place in 2008.

http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Nov15_2007.htm

just as indigenous as the brahmos..

Even if we assume the cryogenic stage was developed using Russian tech(though there is no tangible evidence supporting that), the remainder and crux of India's space program remains indigenous.

there is a difrence between indegenous and live manufacture...but india always has problems licence manufacturing things shuch as SU-30MKI, jet engines for the LCA, etc etc etc....and people assume they must be designing it thus taking so long.

None of which has any bearing on India's space program. The space and defence programs are completely independent of each other though they occasionally cooperate on certain projects.

so are the MKI projects, these are seperate from LCA project which is seperate from arjun program..........but the results are allways the same...

So, the Indian space program is a failure?

QUOTE(Yahya @ Jun 30 2008, 06:33 PM)
so are the MKI projects, these are seperate from LCA project which is seperate from arjun program..........but the results are allways the same...


So, the Indian space program is a failure?

Yeah at least they got a couple of things right ! but than again with the budget in hand & amount of input from Russia & others .. they should have done it well on all fronts just a few !

It seems Pakistan's missiles now have much higher acuuracy:

High Accuracy

One useful new data point was that the Chinese-source missiles were capable of very high accuracy. Published reports have noted that Pakistan’s Shaheen 1, Shaheen 2 and Ghaznavi missiles may have a post-separation booster system to provide course corrections to improve accuracy, or maneuver capability for evading missile defenses. The video confirmed that there is such a system. It was at the Zhuhai Airshow in 1996 that a Chinese source inadvertently disclosed that China was developing a terminal and satellite-navigation-assisted guidance system for its short- to medium-range missiles. The PLA also developed a post-separation warhead attitude correction system for its DF-15 short-range missile. This consists of small thrusters that can adjust the warhead trajectory for greater accuracy or for out-foxing early U.S. Patriot PAC-2 interceptors. This system very likely is also on the DF-11 Mod 1 SRBM.

Shaheen 2 Warhead Stage: May use a post-separation course correction system that enables very high accuracy. Photo: RD Fisher


If Pakistan’s missiles are so equipped, the prospect of their not requiring nuclear warheads to achieve "strategic" results against military targets is more likely. While this might be slightly comforting to some, the capability might also increase the temptation to use such missiles, inasmuch as Pakistani leaders might view their use as carrying a diminished risk of Indian nuclear retaliation.

Possible antennae on a Shaheen-1 warhead stage: The black patches near the small stabilizing fins may be antennae intended to service very accurate satellite navigation systems. Photo: RD Fisher


However, such a terminal guidance capability would also require a sophisticated targeting system capable of providing real-time image or electronic target location data to missile commanders. Pakistan will soon have short-range unmanned reconnaissance aircraft capable of supplying such data. Pakistan can be assumed to be a consumer of commercially available high-resolution satellite imagery. And when China soon launches its constellation of 1-meter or better resolution Russian-influenced electro-optical and radar image satellites, it is a safe assumption that Pakistan will gain useful access to their data. The irony here is that Indian space officials have disclosed that China had offered India the opportunity to invest in this satellite constellation.[3] India wisely refused, because its investment might have amounted to a "subsidy" benefiting China’s and Pakistan’s missile targeting capabilities.

China’s Future HJ-1 and HJ-1C reconnaissance satellites: These Russian influenced satellites are due to be launched soon, and could provide Pakistan with all-weather 1-meter imagery. India wisely chose not to participate in this program.Photo: RD Fisher

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pub.../pub_detail.asp

We have all kind of best weapons and msssiles. All we need is a nation to defeind.

Most projects(incl. both space and defence) have been operating on a budget that's a fraction of similar allocations abroad.

the bhomes is a russian wepon system hence the 300 km range restriction (bullestic missle treaty) hence its not indian the software is some what indian though

wajman

indian are a group of rubish

Is this the depressing taste of forethings to come, this incompetent government has been in power for 6 months, and not a single system has been tested!!
The only thing this lot are releasing is .....HOT AIR!!!!

You're talking about a test? This traitor government has even decreased the budget of our defence related R&D institutions like NESCOM, PAEC etc.

I just don't understand the attitude of our public, why are they sitting watching and hoping that these scumbags will deliver, more so the opposition should give the nation........... a wake up call!!!!!

According to a credible source from the PAF, Pakistan has developed an SLV and an IRBM. Both will not be unveiled until India tests its version of an IRBM or ICBM. Also, to put a lid on all rumors, the Babur cruise missile was designed in Pakistan without foreign help, however its navigation system was heavily borrowed from the Tomahawks that landed in Pakistan.

I was really wondering about Babur missile and its capability. There is a question regarding its ability to strike at the enemy in the absence of satellite guidance. Yes admittedly, the missile uses terrain following maps which are pre-programmed in the missile's guidance computers. This allows the Babur to hug the ground toward the target and avoid radar detection. Thats all well and good, but this is not all that is related to using the missile to destroy enemy targets. Satellites are needed to guide in the missile when it reaches near the target, to pin point the location where it is suppose to hit, when the missile reaches the location.

To my knowledge, there aren't any Pakistani satellites in orbit which are capable to guide our cruise missiles into orbit. If this is the case, then whose satellite are we using to guide the missile to its pin point target location? Certainly we wouldn't be using American satellites, they aren't to be trusted. And if we aren't, then my best guess would be that Babur would be guided in its final phase by Chinese satellites. Now, though China is our ally and our trusted friend. It can be pressured into bailing out under international pressure and such a risk is unthinkable when all the military action would be made then and there.

For this reason, it is very important that we have our own satellites in orbit. Not only that, we need satellites which are technologically capable to do their jobs and more. For instance, it would be very interesting to explore the possibilities of linking satellites with AEWs and Ground Radars. The bigger pictures allow much greater situational awareness and could also open the windows of exploring the possibilities of deploying counter weapons in space.

However, the reality is, that we do not have anything close in that proximity. Which is why I would like to see Pakistan gain SLV capability, launch its own satellites and be in the game with all eyes wide open.

I don't think we should launch an SLV right now. If we launch an SLV right now the West will accuse us of seeking a long range missile program. If we wait for India to unveil their ICBM or IRBM then we have an excuse to do the same. Pakistan's situation is more sensitive than India's. But sure we should launch a satellite capable of guiding missiles but we should do that through Chinese or Iranian help, for now.

Brahmos was originally a Russian supersonic missile Yakhont with a modest accuracy. It has been the new guidance system co-developed by the India and Russia which has given Brahmos the lethality it enjoys today.

The 1000 km Brahmos version will use an Indian developed hypersonic ramjet engine which is very different from the current Brahmos supersonic ramjet engine. Since India already co-owns the guidance system technology hence the new missile will not violate the MTCR treaty . This new missile may be both for tactical and strategic usage.

The 290 km Brahmos on the other hand is a pure tactical missile for all the three services with the SU30 launched version due for testing next year. The army and navy has already ordered the Brahmos is bulk.

India places $2 billion missile order: report

MOSCOW (AFP) — The Indian army has placed a two billion dollar (1.36 billion euro) order for cruise missiles from the Russo-Indian company BrahMos, the Interfax news agency said Tuesday.

"The order by the Indian armed forces comes to two billion dollars," the firm's chief executive Sivanthanu Pillai was quoted as saying by the Russian Interfax news agency.

BrahMos Aerospace is a joint Russian-Indian venture established in 1998 to design, develop, produce and market a cruise missile.

The BrahMos missile has a range of 280 kilometres (175 miles).

Russia is India's main arms supplier. New Delhi was one of the key allies of the erstwhile Soviet Union.

and abt the actual ranges of Brahmos-I,u people need to speculate.

Its reported range of 290km is after accounting the total range it covered by making those 'S' turns and other maneuvers to protect its ass from ABM`s.

If it just flies like a sub-sonic cruise missile,its approximate range would be on the lines of 500km

And do u people think that both india and russia are that very big fools to develop a supersonic cruise missile with a modest range? All these "S" turns and maneuvers are for MTCR sake and not for the intended range.Depending on the enemy capability the missile will be pre-programmed in what way it has to follow.

and expect few more goodies from Brahmos-II more like these "S" stunts to cover its true range.MTCR doesnt count the total maneuvers and stunts a missile makes before hitting its target :D They themself made a great loop hole there. :)
P.S: this is reported by some technical sources.