The Samson Option is a term used to describe an alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.
I think a Pakistani version of the Samson option would give Pakistan a key psychological weapon in the region, If Pakistan has a stated policy to destroy the entire sub-continent if its existence is threatened, Not just India but also Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Bhutan, Maldives, Afghanistan et al.
There is also the possibility that such a stated policy could push south asia into the arms of India, Who fearful may decide to side with India, There is ofcourse the possibility that such a policy may deter other south asian countries in joining the Indian-Axis in the first-place.
Please discuss the pros and cons of adopting such a policy, Currently Pakistan's policy is India-specific. Would adoption of a Pakistani Samson option enchance our geo-political/strategic interests? Or not?
If Pakistan goes, Should ALL South Asia go with it?
Full Version: A Pakistani Samson Option
Why?
QUOTE(Rooh Afza @ May 7 2008, 03:19 PM) 
Why?
Because for the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away-unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, or Rwandans-have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?
QUOTE(Captain Bribes @ May 7 2008, 05:26 PM)
Because for the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away-unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, or Rwandans-have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?
As Muslims we are not to bring civilians to battle, regardless of the circumstances. The nuclear weapons we have are psychological deterrents and should only be used in tactical scenarios against enemy naval fleets and invasions. Even if our enemies want to nuke us to oblivion, we must maintain our Islamic dignity and die in honour as a noble nation.
We have a basis with our nuclear program, now we should work towards more advanced technology designed to disable enemy war-machines and spare civilians. For example Pakistan should work on high speed ICBMs with low-yield & low-level radiation or even neutron bombs with controlled radiation distance/magnitude to make waste of enemy formations approaching us from the sea and land. If we could effectively target enemy bases housing long-range bombers and aircraft carriers continents away while working on methods to keep civilians safe, it would give us a lot of breathing space when making use of non-conventional weapons.
Aoa
Personally, I think if we go down we should have the ability to trigger a nuclear war between the whole world - basically take down everyone with us. Like have the ability to nuke much of USA and USSR (or major parts of it) back to lala land - that would ensure that if we are attacked we can nuke them and since they wouldnt' want to be cought in a exposed situation they'd nuke each other and voila.
hum to dobay sanam, tumhain bhi lay dobain gay
I think we are allowed to do this - no sure - but the eye for an eye rule may apply (don't know though). We need to get the scholars to reconsider this position on this issue as it's a completely new scenario...
Anyways, there is no point in nuking one city or something - if I go down they all have to go down...
w/salaam
Personally, I think if we go down we should have the ability to trigger a nuclear war between the whole world - basically take down everyone with us. Like have the ability to nuke much of USA and USSR (or major parts of it) back to lala land - that would ensure that if we are attacked we can nuke them and since they wouldnt' want to be cought in a exposed situation they'd nuke each other and voila.
hum to dobay sanam, tumhain bhi lay dobain gay
I think we are allowed to do this - no sure - but the eye for an eye rule may apply (don't know though). We need to get the scholars to reconsider this position on this issue as it's a completely new scenario...
Anyways, there is no point in nuking one city or something - if I go down they all have to go down...
w/salaam
No need to hurt innocents or countries not involved.
Aoa
That would be the case in an ideal world, however, I think a threat of that level is what has kept nuclear armed nations from going at war. That's how nations think, if we have to go down, it is very likely that we'd take 'em all down with us even if we only nuke India. For the reasons I've mentioned above - unless Indians are very rational people who think that they should attack those who have attacked them instead of attacking thier possible enemies... China is one them. I doubt the Indian military leadership thinks that way...
So, if we plan to use nukes, it is very likely that they would cause the deaths of half the world population if they are used - and they would only be used when we have nothing more loose....
w/salaam
QUOTE(ZPak @ May 8 2008, 11:40 AM)
No need to hurt innocents or countries not involved.
That would be the case in an ideal world, however, I think a threat of that level is what has kept nuclear armed nations from going at war. That's how nations think, if we have to go down, it is very likely that we'd take 'em all down with us even if we only nuke India. For the reasons I've mentioned above - unless Indians are very rational people who think that they should attack those who have attacked them instead of attacking thier possible enemies... China is one them. I doubt the Indian military leadership thinks that way...
So, if we plan to use nukes, it is very likely that they would cause the deaths of half the world population if they are used - and they would only be used when we have nothing more loose....
w/salaam
Pakistan SHOULD have a Samson Option in case it is attacked, but it should destroy the enemy, not fellow Muslim countries. Irrespective of who attacks Pakistan, before going down we need to nuke India, Israel, British and American interests in the region.
These four countries are the major enemies of Pakistan and they are fighting a war to the death with Pakistan and the whole Islamic world. We need to make sure that they go down with us.
These four countries are the major enemies of Pakistan and they are fighting a war to the death with Pakistan and the whole Islamic world. We need to make sure that they go down with us.
Bhai, the option is required, but you only need it for three nations, India, Israel and America. These three nations are a threat to us, they should know if we go down, we take them with us. By all means develop enough weapons to take out a few dozen other countries, the extra worry you could cause will mean that people will take great care in ensuring you avoid conflict, however to declare that you will take out more than just your required enemy, that is foolish and will create enemies.
You don't have to show all your cards, just hint at some of them, and best of all, you can always bluff.
You don't have to show all your cards, just hint at some of them, and best of all, you can always bluff.
Pakistan has been increasing the yields of its weapons ever since our tests and “nation busting” nukes are firmly on the cards. We are not concerned with just wiping out a few cities but rather erasing an entire nation and its people from existence. Only then will people fear….
Why just the South Asia ? If we go down we'll take whole world down with us.
However, Pakistan's policy as you stated above shouldn't be this. Every one in the region see India as a threat, be it Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma or whatever ... Pakistan needs to win friends not by force or threat ( thats what India do ) but by coperration just like China. You'll see that this policy works alot better.
However, Pakistan's policy as you stated above shouldn't be this. Every one in the region see India as a threat, be it Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma or whatever ... Pakistan needs to win friends not by force or threat ( thats what India do ) but by coperration just like China. You'll see that this policy works alot better.
QUOTE(noxiouspython @ May 7 2008, 05:13 PM)
Aoa
Personally, I think if we go down we should have the ability to trigger a nuclear war between the whole world - basically take down everyone with us. Like have the ability to nuke much of USA and USSR (or major parts of it) back to lala land - that would ensure that if we are attacked we can nuke them and since they wouldnt' want to be cought in a exposed situation they'd nuke each other and voila.
hum to dobay sanam, tumhain bhi lay dobain gay
I think we are allowed to do this - no sure - but the eye for an eye rule may apply (don't know though). We need to get the scholars to reconsider this position on this issue as it's a completely new scenario...
Anyways, there is no point in nuking one city or something - if I go down they all have to go down...
w/salaam
Personally, I think if we go down we should have the ability to trigger a nuclear war between the whole world - basically take down everyone with us. Like have the ability to nuke much of USA and USSR (or major parts of it) back to lala land - that would ensure that if we are attacked we can nuke them and since they wouldnt' want to be cought in a exposed situation they'd nuke each other and voila.
hum to dobay sanam, tumhain bhi lay dobain gay
I think we are allowed to do this - no sure - but the eye for an eye rule may apply (don't know though). We need to get the scholars to reconsider this position on this issue as it's a completely new scenario...
Anyways, there is no point in nuking one city or something - if I go down they all have to go down...
w/salaam
I agree, if Pakistan is attacked we're def gonna nuke India, we'll get nuked back but if India will go down they'll try to nuke China also, n if China gets nuked well Russia, Europe, US are history ... Russia n US will see thier end n will go mad n the world will come to n end lol ...
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But yeah important thing to remember is, even ONE nuclear war between two nuclear nations is enough it will have a knock down effect just like the domino ... A nuclear-war might be triggered between developing countries over disputed land however, an economic meltdown in developed nation could also unleash a nuclear war.
The best solution is no one should have nukes including USA, its potentionally a very dangerious weapon and the fact is there are more civilion deaths then anything else i dont see why innocent people should die regardless of the fact we are going down or not....i dont see any sense in nuking india if we are attacked by US or any other power on this earth, yeah use nukes if Indi uses them on us or use them in a tactical way fine!
On another note i am more afried of B-2's and F-22's then nukes them selves here we have super powers with planes we cant even see on our damn radars jeeeezzzzzzzzzz.
On another note i am more afried of B-2's and F-22's then nukes them selves here we have super powers with planes we cant even see on our damn radars jeeeezzzzzzzzzz.
I am afraid these nuke weapons will be used at the behest of those dark forces that do not want humanity to prosper and have destroyed us before many a times, and are about to do it again--and we are letting them do it!!
It is true that dark forces don't want mankind to prosper, and today the darkest and most satanic forces that exist are the countries of Israel and America. These two are leading mankind into world war three and the people in these countries talk very casually about using nuclear weapons on other countries, especially Muslim.
Destroying Muslim countries is so popular in America that each of the candidates in the elections is falling over themselves to prove that they will kill the most Muslims. McCain has promised a 100 year war with Islam. Obama has promised to bomb Pakistan. Clinton has promised to obliterate Iran.
This shows that killing muslims has become extremely popular in America and a sure vote winner. Remember the American public re-elected Bush despite his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Probably most people in America know that Bush ordered 911, but they choose to ignore the facts. That's because their hatred for Islam has gone so far that they think that Bush was justified in ordering 911.
The point is that America has become the worst rouge state in the world. The only way to stop them from killing millions more Muslims is to make sure they know where to stop.
If today Muslims countries had a joint defense strategy, including sharing nuclear weapons, then people in the West would at least think twice before hurling threats non-stop against Pakistan, Iran and the whole Muslim world.
Destroying Muslim countries is so popular in America that each of the candidates in the elections is falling over themselves to prove that they will kill the most Muslims. McCain has promised a 100 year war with Islam. Obama has promised to bomb Pakistan. Clinton has promised to obliterate Iran.
This shows that killing muslims has become extremely popular in America and a sure vote winner. Remember the American public re-elected Bush despite his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Probably most people in America know that Bush ordered 911, but they choose to ignore the facts. That's because their hatred for Islam has gone so far that they think that Bush was justified in ordering 911.
The point is that America has become the worst rouge state in the world. The only way to stop them from killing millions more Muslims is to make sure they know where to stop.
If today Muslims countries had a joint defense strategy, including sharing nuclear weapons, then people in the West would at least think twice before hurling threats non-stop against Pakistan, Iran and the whole Muslim world.
I pray to God not to let this happen again--destruction of mankind. I hope someone or something will happen that will make all these nukes go away, and will teach people that the best way forward is to work together for all us, and that differences of religions, culture and enthnic background is not important. We have this beautiful world and we are hell bent on destroying it!! Very sad!!
Aoa
Brov, I'm not saying that we need to build nukes to destroy the whole world, all I am saying is that if we use nukes we would most likely take all down with us. I mentioned why that would be the case - the USSR had planned to nuke all cities with populations above 500,000 in case of a nuclear war so that in a post-war world they are not dominated by countries that weren't destroyed. So if we are going to nuke US or something they woudl nuke thier enemies and someone with enough nukes would nuke all.
I hope clarified my point.
w/salaam
QUOTE(platinum786 @ May 8 2008, 03:27 PM)
Bhai, the option is required, but you only need it for three nations, India, Israel and America. These three nations are a threat to us, they should know if we go down, we take them with us. By all means develop enough weapons to take out a few dozen other countries, the extra worry you could cause will mean that people will take great care in ensuring you avoid conflict, however to declare that you will take out more than just your required enemy, that is foolish and will create enemies.
You don't have to show all your cards, just hint at some of them, and best of all, you can always bluff.
You don't have to show all your cards, just hint at some of them, and best of all, you can always bluff.
Brov, I'm not saying that we need to build nukes to destroy the whole world, all I am saying is that if we use nukes we would most likely take all down with us. I mentioned why that would be the case - the USSR had planned to nuke all cities with populations above 500,000 in case of a nuclear war so that in a post-war world they are not dominated by countries that weren't destroyed. So if we are going to nuke US or something they woudl nuke thier enemies and someone with enough nukes would nuke all.
I hope clarified my point.
w/salaam
QUOTE(Captain Bribes @ May 7 2008, 09:59 PM)
The Samson Option is a term used to describe an alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.
I think a Pakistani version of the Samson option would give Pakistan a key psychological weapon in the region, If Pakistan has a stated policy to destroy the entire sub-continent if its existence is threatened, Not just India but also Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Bhutan, Maldives, Afghanistan et al.
There is also the possibility that such a stated policy could push south asia into the arms of India, Who fearful may decide to side with India, There is ofcourse the possibility that such a policy may deter other south asian countries in joining the Indian-Axis in the first-place.
Please discuss the pros and cons of adopting such a policy, Currently Pakistan's policy is India-specific. Would adoption of a Pakistani Samson option enchance our geo-political/strategic interests? Or not?
If Pakistan goes, Should ALL South Asia go with it?
I think a Pakistani version of the Samson option would give Pakistan a key psychological weapon in the region, If Pakistan has a stated policy to destroy the entire sub-continent if its existence is threatened, Not just India but also Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Bhutan, Maldives, Afghanistan et al.
There is also the possibility that such a stated policy could push south asia into the arms of India, Who fearful may decide to side with India, There is ofcourse the possibility that such a policy may deter other south asian countries in joining the Indian-Axis in the first-place.
Please discuss the pros and cons of adopting such a policy, Currently Pakistan's policy is India-specific. Would adoption of a Pakistani Samson option enchance our geo-political/strategic interests? Or not?
If Pakistan goes, Should ALL South Asia go with it?
President musharaf has aleady stated several times that Pakistan WILL utilise her nueclear arsenal if economy is hurt to a certain extent, national integrity is hurt to a certain degree, enemy aggresses to a certain degree.....but as to how far these degrees are...no one knows..
Yeah, we shouldn't let a Jewish run America bomb us and leave the whole Islamic world to be divided up and ruled by Jews and Hindus.
At the minimum we need to nuke Israel and India. If this is clearly understood by the Jew-run America then we have the best chance of them NOT ATTACKING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If this is not understood by them then they will continue to threaten us.
India has to go because any attack on Pakistan can automatically be assumed to have their approval and help, like they're providing in Afghanistan
At the minimum we need to nuke Israel and India. If this is clearly understood by the Jew-run America then we have the best chance of them NOT ATTACKING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If this is not understood by them then they will continue to threaten us.
India has to go because any attack on Pakistan can automatically be assumed to have their approval and help, like they're providing in Afghanistan
I honestly cannot believe my eyes. The followers of the Religion-Of-Peace are talking about killing millions of innocent people! People that never done anything wrong to Pak. People that dont know where Pakistan is on the map!
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
fu.ck you commie!
your nations doing the exact same thing, as are your fellow white commrades in the USA.
The day we declare this option if you are real men we will see what the fu.ck your going to do about it. Who are you trying to kid? What do you think your thousands of nuclear weapons are for? A leapord never changes its spots, we've got your number.
your nations doing the exact same thing, as are your fellow white commrades in the USA.
The day we declare this option if you are real men we will see what the fu.ck your going to do about it. Who are you trying to kid? What do you think your thousands of nuclear weapons are for? A leapord never changes its spots, we've got your number.
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 11:01 AM)
I honestly cannot believe my eyes. The followers of the Religion-Of-Peace are talking about killing millions of innocent people! People that never done anything wrong to Pak. People that dont know where Pakistan is on the map!
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
Stop being so emotional. All countries consider such options in case of war with enemy countries. Some openly and some in secrecy. Some folks indeed are exaggerating by saying that other countries should be wiped off the map. However, it can be argued that in case of war between Pakistan, India and China many other powers will get sucked in. That's the reality and you'll have to live with it. The weapons we were given? Finally showing your true colors aren't you? Our scientists built these weapons with every drop of blood and tear. We spent decades in order to master and mature the nuke technology and infrastructure. People like yourself cannot digest this fact. Fact is that we're a strong nuke power. Surround us with S-400 and SM-3? In your wildest dreams dude. I think you've had a little too much vodka this morning. Not even the Americans have the ability to take out Pak nukes let alone an obsolete Russia. Besides, Russia isn't as innocent as you portray it to be. It's a tyrant state that oppresses its own people. You haven't heard Israeli option of Samson? Well, you should care to listen better...
PS. To me you sound more like an Indian pretending to be a Russian...
QUOTE(platinum786 @ May 10 2008, 03:09 AM)
fu.ck you commie!
LOL, the standards for moderators are apparently pretty low. You should outsource it to India. I heard they are good at tech support.
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your nations doing the exact same thing, as are your fellow white commrades in the USA.
The day we declare this option if you are real men we will see what the fu.ck your going to do about it. Who are you trying to kid? What do you think your thousands of nuclear weapons are for? A leapord never changes its spots, we've got your number.
The day we declare this option if you are real men we will see what the fu.ck your going to do about it. Who are you trying to kid? What do you think your thousands of nuclear weapons are for? A leapord never changes its spots, we've got your number.
The only other nation "doing it" is Zionist state. Is that who you are trying to mimic? Thats the morality and ethics you are adopting? Good job! The day you declare this option public, will be the day that will live in infamy. You think West's patience with Iran is getting thin? Go ahead and call the White House with the news. See what they are going to do.
QUOTE(BaburMissile @ May 10 2008, 03:17 AM)
Stop being so emotional.
Emotional? Heavens, no. More appauled. Pak is no threat to Ru. Never was and never will be.
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All countries consider such options in case of war with enemy countries. Some openly and some in secrecy.
And those who consider it secretly send you a memo with a messenger pigeon? There is only one country that put that plan into policy. But they had a reason. Whats your justification.
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Some folks indeed are exaggerating by saying that other countries should be wiped off the map. However, it can be argued that in case of war between Pakistan, India and China many other powers will get sucked in. That's the reality and you'll have to live with it.
And you cant imagine that no one would get sucked in? You think China is going to risk gettin nuked over Pak. You must be shrooming.
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The weapons we were given? Finally showing your true colors aren't you? Our scientists built these weapons with every drop of blood and tear. We spent decades in order to master and mature the nuke technology and infrastructure. People like yourself cannot digest this fact. Fact is that we're a strong nuke power.
The real fact is - you are the weakest nuke power. Very bottom of atomic totem pole. Some people like yourself cannot digest it though.
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Not even the Americans have the ability to take out Pak nukes let alone an obsolete Russia.
Now who is abusing what intoxicating substance? Where do you get such illusions of invincibility? Any nuclear nation except India can take Pak out with impunity. Without losing a single important asset.
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Besides, Russia isn't as innocent as you portray it to be. It's a tyrant state that oppresses its own people. You haven't heard Israeli option of Samson? Well, you should care to listen better...
In fact I dont portray much of anything. This topic is about Pakistan, not Russia. And please dont tell me about oppression. :)
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PS. To me you sound more like an Indian pretending to be a Russian...
I'm jewishindianamericanrussiansatanistpacifist - all this things you fear. You dont know who I am
Z
Don't generalize, if one or two people talked of a foolish doctrine you put it as if that was the thinking pattern of all of us. 99% of us don't think in such a childish way, yet your post seem to target all of us.
This guy is an Jew pretending to be a Russian and he's going nuts at the idea of Israel being vaporized.
Aoa
What I mentioned is not something I believe should happen, rather what I've read would happen. There was a (multinational) research study undertaken in the 80s that dealt with the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. They used actual policies known then to create possible scenarios - and occording to that case study - Russia was going to nuke cities with populations over 500,000, and it mentioned Pakistan, India etc by name. That was their somson option...
Yes, if Pakistan OR any country announces such a move officially, then it would be a different thing - however, unofficially these policies, as far as I understand, do exist.
You stay don't kill those who aren't fighting you - well nuking cities exactly is that - the civilians aren't fighting you, soldiers are - and that is who you should kill not people in cities.
Besides what is being talked about is a possible/likely outcome not how things would be in an ideal world.
You post was a bit on the malodramatic side - I'm not sure if you actually intended it to be such but it was that.
w/salaam
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 04:01 AM)
I honestly cannot believe my eyes. The followers of the Religion-Of-Peace are ...
...I am deeply disappointed.
Z
...I am deeply disappointed.
Z
What I mentioned is not something I believe should happen, rather what I've read would happen. There was a (multinational) research study undertaken in the 80s that dealt with the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. They used actual policies known then to create possible scenarios - and occording to that case study - Russia was going to nuke cities with populations over 500,000, and it mentioned Pakistan, India etc by name. That was their somson option...
Yes, if Pakistan OR any country announces such a move officially, then it would be a different thing - however, unofficially these policies, as far as I understand, do exist.
You stay don't kill those who aren't fighting you - well nuking cities exactly is that - the civilians aren't fighting you, soldiers are - and that is who you should kill not people in cities.
Besides what is being talked about is a possible/likely outcome not how things would be in an ideal world.
You post was a bit on the malodramatic side - I'm not sure if you actually intended it to be such but it was that.
w/salaam
To be honest most of the posts here are melodramatic…I see no point in Pakistan dragging any nation into all this and it certainly is NOT a policy of our strategic command. Our weapons are for India and for any other nation who threatens our survival which at this point in time I can’t name apart from maybe Israel which works hand in hand with India.
Nuclear weapons are not toys or something to be talked about lightly. They are the final stage before everything is lost including our own nation and people.
MODS CLOSE THE TOPIC as what is being talked about has never been considered by our higher ups.
Nuclear weapons are not toys or something to be talked about lightly. They are the final stage before everything is lost including our own nation and people.
MODS CLOSE THE TOPIC as what is being talked about has never been considered by our higher ups.
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 10:01 AM)
I honestly cannot believe my eyes. The followers of the Religion-Of-Peace are talking about killing millions of innocent people! People that never done anything wrong to Pak. People that dont know where Pakistan is on the map!
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
You are going to nuke Russia, because Indian nukes you? Burma? Nepal? Entire SE Asia? Are you insane?
I never thought I'd say that, but it seems you cannot be trusted with the weapons you were given. The moment your leadership even utters "Samson option" on the international arena, the time will come to take those weapons away from you. Surround you with iron circle of SM-3 and S-400 and methodically remove even gram of weapon grade material from your country. No nation has the right to blackmail innocent countries with nukes.
And just before someone points the finger towards Israel in order to justify nuclear blackmail - I havent heard Israel mention "Samson option" for 30 years...
I am deeply disappointed.
Z
Dude, comrade don’t tar us all with the same brush. I for one and others above me don’t believe in anything like that. So you can drop your comments above. This is a FORUM remember.....
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 12:57 PM)
Emotional? Heavens, no. More appauled. Pak is no threat to Ru. Never was and never will be.
And those who consider it secretly send you a memo with a messenger pigeon? There is only one country that put that plan into policy. But they had a reason. Whats your justification.
And you cant imagine that no one would get sucked in? You think China is going to risk gettin nuked over Pak. You must be shrooming.
The real fact is - you are the weakest nuke power. Very bottom of atomic totem pole. Some people like yourself cannot digest it though.
Now who is abusing what intoxicating substance? Where do you get such illusions of invincibility? Any nuclear nation except India can take Pak out with impunity. Without losing a single important asset.
So let me guess now, you . We can annihalate India and that's the hardcore fact you're unable to swallow.
In fact I dont portray much of anything. This topic is about Pakistan, not Russia. And please dont tell me about oppression. :)
I'm jewishindianamericanrussiansatanistpacifist - all this things you fear. You dont know who I am
Z
And those who consider it secretly send you a memo with a messenger pigeon? There is only one country that put that plan into policy. But they had a reason. Whats your justification.
And you cant imagine that no one would get sucked in? You think China is going to risk gettin nuked over Pak. You must be shrooming.
The real fact is - you are the weakest nuke power. Very bottom of atomic totem pole. Some people like yourself cannot digest it though.
Now who is abusing what intoxicating substance? Where do you get such illusions of invincibility? Any nuclear nation except India can take Pak out with impunity. Without losing a single important asset.
So let me guess now, you . We can annihalate India and that's the hardcore fact you're unable to swallow.
In fact I dont portray much of anything. This topic is about Pakistan, not Russia. And please dont tell me about oppression. :)
I'm jewishindianamericanrussiansatanistpacifist - all this things you fear. You dont know who I am
Z
Yes, you're reacting very emotional... In fact, you're about to cry. True, but Russia has never been a threat to Pakistan either and never will be... After Cold War you've virtually become insignificant.
Stop talking nonsense... So you read something on PDF and think that it's somehow a government policy to nuke other countries? You're out of your mind kiddo. Get back to the real world. One advice for you, don't believe everything you read.
China sure as hell won't risk watching India nuke Pakistan either. They need a long term ally in the region. Pakistan is the long term ally in case you didn't know. Again stop drinking vodka at early hours. That's why you got your a s s whooped during the Cold War in the first place. Oops...
Fact to the matter is that Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power in the whole world. It produces it's own indigenous delivery systems and much more. People like you are jealous and unable to comprehend. Besides, you worry about your own problems. Abkhazia ring any bells? LOL
Oh no, of course let's pretend that mother Russia is the most holy country on planet earth. Get the hell out of here... You're the most vile people this world has known. Raping, murdering and killing innocent minority Chechnyans that want to seek independence... The list goes on. I'm glad the the Mujahideen beat your a s s in afghuniland. You never made it to our land did you?
True, I couldn't care less who you are... As far as I'm concerned you're just a commie (in disguise) who got his a s s kicked by a bunch of Torah Borah loonies. You're just a divided nation with different ethnicities that are going to be partly ruled by the EU... That's in essence who you are. Someone without an identity.
PS. You're really an Indian just admit it... By the way, if you don't like Pakistan what are you doing on this forum?
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 11:42 AM)
LOL, the standards for moderators are apparently pretty low. You should outsource it to India. I heard they are good at tech support.
The only other nation "doing it" is Zionist state. Is that who you are trying to mimic? Thats the morality and ethics you are adopting? Good job! The day you declare this option public, will be the day that will live in infamy. You think West's patience with Iran is getting thin? Go ahead and call the White House with the news. See what they are going to do.
The only other nation "doing it" is Zionist state. Is that who you are trying to mimic? Thats the morality and ethics you are adopting? Good job! The day you declare this option public, will be the day that will live in infamy. You think West's patience with Iran is getting thin? Go ahead and call the White House with the news. See what they are going to do.
The zionists are surviving very well, so will we. This world has no morals and nop ethics, only survival of the fittest, that is the rule that I live by.
The day we call the whitehouse with this news, we will have ICBS armed with nuclear weapons pointed at the white house. Then we shall she how brave they are.
Btw being a moderator has nothing to do with tech support. I will forgive you that mistake, i know you commies have little knowledge of forums and freedom of speech, so it's not suprising you don't know how it all works.
Gentmem,let's pray that day(I call it the jugment) will never come.
Brother, the only way to avoid that day oming is to prepare for it and have the ability to do it.
No weak nation ever lived in peace, only the mighty live in peace...
No weak nation ever lived in peace, only the mighty live in peace...
QUOTE(noxiouspython @ May 10 2008, 06:36 AM)
Aoa
What I mentioned is not something I believe should happen, rather what I've read would happen. There was a (multinational) research study undertaken in the 80s that dealt with the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. They used actual policies known then to create possible scenarios - and occording to that case study - Russia was going to nuke cities with populations over 500,000, and it mentioned Pakistan, India etc by name. That was their somson option...
What I mentioned is not something I believe should happen, rather what I've read would happen. There was a (multinational) research study undertaken in the 80s that dealt with the possible aftermath of a nuclear war. They used actual policies known then to create possible scenarios - and occording to that case study - Russia was going to nuke cities with populations over 500,000, and it mentioned Pakistan, India etc by name. That was their somson option...
Source please.
QUOTE
Yes, if Pakistan OR any country announces such a move officially, then it would be a different thing - however, unofficially these policies, as far as I understand, do exist.
And as I understand - they dont exist. I lived through the entire Cold War in USSR and this is the first time I hear about such nonsense. I am ready to stand corrected though - please provide source where USSR (or any other country other than Israel) outlines "Samson option"
QUOTE(waz @ May 10 2008, 06:58 AM)
Dude, comrade don’t tar us all with the same brush. I for one and others above me don’t believe in anything like that. So you can drop your comments above. This is a FORUM remember.....
My comments are in no way addressed towards opponents of Pakistan Samson option.
QUOTE(BaburMissile @ May 10 2008, 07:09 AM)
Yes, you're reacting very emotional... In fact, you're about to cry. True, but Russia has never been a threat to Pakistan either and never will be... After Cold War you've virtually become insignificant.
Stop talking nonsense... So you read something on PDF and think that it's somehow a government policy to nuke other countries? You're out of your mind kiddo. Get back to the real world. One advice for you, don't believe everything you read.
China sure as hell won't risk watching India nuke Pakistan either. They need a long term ally in the region. Pakistan is the long term ally in case you didn't know. Again stop drinking vodka at early hours. That's why you got your a s s whooped during the Cold War in the first place. Oops...
Fact to the matter is that Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power in the whole world. It produces it's own indigenous delivery systems and much more. People like you are jealous and unable to comprehend. Besides, you worry about your own problems. Abkhazia ring any bells? LOL
Oh no, of course let's pretend that mother Russia is the most holy country on planet earth. Get the hell out of here... You're the most vile people this world has known. Raping, murdering and killing innocent minority Chechnyans that want to seek independence... The list goes on. I'm glad the the Mujahideen beat your a s s in afghuniland. You never made it to our land did you?
True, I couldn't care less who you are... As far as I'm concerned you're just a commie (in disguise) who got his a s s kicked by a bunch of Torah Borah loonies. You're just a divided nation with different ethnicities that are going to be partly ruled by the EU... That's in essence who you are. Someone without an identity.
PS. You're really an Indian just admit it... By the way, if you don't like Pakistan what are you doing on this forum?
Stop talking nonsense... So you read something on PDF and think that it's somehow a government policy to nuke other countries? You're out of your mind kiddo. Get back to the real world. One advice for you, don't believe everything you read.
China sure as hell won't risk watching India nuke Pakistan either. They need a long term ally in the region. Pakistan is the long term ally in case you didn't know. Again stop drinking vodka at early hours. That's why you got your a s s whooped during the Cold War in the first place. Oops...
Fact to the matter is that Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power in the whole world. It produces it's own indigenous delivery systems and much more. People like you are jealous and unable to comprehend. Besides, you worry about your own problems. Abkhazia ring any bells? LOL
Oh no, of course let's pretend that mother Russia is the most holy country on planet earth. Get the hell out of here... You're the most vile people this world has known. Raping, murdering and killing innocent minority Chechnyans that want to seek independence... The list goes on. I'm glad the the Mujahideen beat your a s s in afghuniland. You never made it to our land did you?
True, I couldn't care less who you are... As far as I'm concerned you're just a commie (in disguise) who got his a s s kicked by a bunch of Torah Borah loonies. You're just a divided nation with different ethnicities that are going to be partly ruled by the EU... That's in essence who you are. Someone without an identity.
PS. You're really an Indian just admit it... By the way, if you don't like Pakistan what are you doing on this forum?
If imagining me cry makes you feel safer at night, by all means have at it. Whatever it takes to make the heebie-jeebies go away, right? As far as the rest of your post goes... the fact that you went completely off topic tells me that you have nothing to say. If you want to talk about Russia so much, start a new thread. Your little attempts at insults are rather boring. Get back on topic, then we'll talk.
Your posting priveleges are suspended for two weeks, you dim witted by product off a gypsy call girl, and far too much vodka.
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 10:21 PM)
If imagining me cry makes you feel safer at night, by all means have at it. Whatever it takes to make the heebie-jeebies go away, right? As far as the rest of your post goes... the fact that you went completely off topic tells me that you have nothing to say. If you want to talk about Russia so much, start a new thread. Your little attempts at insults are rather boring. Get back on topic, then we'll talk.
Dream on dude... You've got nothing to bring in against my facts. Your response was to be expected.
What is there to discuss? If we want to have this option we will, we don't have to annouce it. If we choose to announce it we will do it at a time when we are strong enough for nobody to be able to do anything about it. We created nuclear weapons, you coldn't stop us. we sold them to other countries, you couldn't do anything about it.
It is not a case of doing it, it is a case of having the ability to do it. You have it, the Americans have it, the British have it, the Chinese probably do too, we want the same capability, to take out anyone anywhere with a nuclear strike if we should choose to do so.
It is not a case of doing it, it is a case of having the ability to do it. You have it, the Americans have it, the British have it, the Chinese probably do too, we want the same capability, to take out anyone anywhere with a nuclear strike if we should choose to do so.
At least we're talking about retaliation is case we're attacked. Israel and America routinely threaten other countries with nuclear bombs as a means of blackmail and coercion.
These are the two entities that the rest of the world needs to disarm.
These are the two entities that the rest of the world needs to disarm.
Aoa
The Aftermath: The Human and Ecological Consequences of Nuclear War by Peterson Jeannie
Actions speak louder then words - as it goes.
They didn't have to say that had a 'samson option' with them; however, I think the amount of missles and nuclear weapons says a lot.
w/salaam
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 03:14 PM)
Source please.
The Aftermath: The Human and Ecological Consequences of Nuclear War by Peterson Jeannie
QUOTE(Zmey Smirnoff @ May 10 2008, 03:14 PM)
And as I understand - they dont exist. I lived through the entire Cold War in USSR and this is the first time I hear about such nonsense. I am ready to stand corrected though - please provide source where USSR (or any other country other than Israel) outlines "Samson option"
Actions speak louder then words - as it goes.
They didn't have to say that had a 'samson option' with them; however, I think the amount of missles and nuclear weapons says a lot.
w/salaam
i think the post saying -
pakistan nukes india, india nukes china, chna nukes america....american nukes the planet
sums it all.
pakistan nukes india, india nukes china, chna nukes america....american nukes the planet
sums it all.
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