Re: The Hoot missile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoot_%28missile%29

This would completely neutralise the efficiency of the IN and seriously damage them if PAF fielded such a system on its ROSE Mirages.

Its a torpedo, why would PAF be interested in a torpedo, Pakistan Navy on the other hand might be.

And a low flying Mirage rose cant launch torpedos ?
ALso PAF never has to perform anti-shipping missions?

I don't think hoot is designed to be launched from an aircraft, plus its range is just 10 to 15 KMs, if one develops an air-released version, an aircraft would have to creep in within that range to launch it, which would be a suicide, better option would be to launch it from a stealthy submarine.

At its speed, if its on target, the target is dead. It will not be able to outrun, outmanuver or lose it.
15 km is not really suicide. A Mirage flying in low can penetrate within that range of a US carrier group.

Pakistan once performed the same feat in simulations against the Flying Checkmates, when they got A-5's close enough to the Nimitz class carrier to score hits and this was against a US carrier group with F-14's, AWACS etc......
I see no reason why the IN would fare any better.

On a side note:
Would be good on Agosta90b perhaps, like you mentioned.

Well is Iran selling? Any weapon that gives us an edge interests us, at PDF at least, you know that as well as we do bro.

shouldnt be a problem to modify it for air launch. but there is a little problem.

gotta fit sub tube. gotta have more than 15km range. much more.

why get these when a cruise missile is with 350km range minimum?

today ship at this distance is already dead.

indian anti ship CM is with 300km range.

Su-32FN reactive torpedo
http://www.aviation.ru/jno/MACS99/images/S...ive_torpedo.jpg

Shkval
http://www.periscope.ucg.com/mdb-smpl/images/w0004768.jpg

Pakistan once performed the same feat in simulations against the Flying Checkmates, when they got A-5's close enough to the Nimitz class carrier to score hits and this was against a US carrier group with F-14's, AWACS etc......
I see no reason why the IN would fare any better.

I am aware of a succesfull under water recce mission performed by the Pakistan's Special Services Group Navy ( SSG.N ) of an American battle group in the Arabian sea, but the above is news to me, kindly post more details.

Dude PAF does perform anti shipping missions, thts why the Mirages are capable of operating with the Harpoons and Exocets in Pakistani inventory.

PAFs Mirages are not able to carry/launch a HARPOON. HAPROON requires some guidance chips and targetting pods which PAF lacks and after all we never got our hands on Harpoons. We are using exocits for nearly about 20 years. and atlast we hav ordered 300 Harpoon Block 2s which will be used with F-16s and JF-17s.

Wrong dude (dear) although not operated by the PAF, the naval Atlantics and P-3/Orions are equipped with the Harpoons as well as the Subs with under water launched versions!

And what about that picture?

The picture is of a Mirage 5/PA3 armed with an AM-39 Exocet ASM and two AIM-9P AAMs.

REGARDS

Can some one post some more info about it i never heard of it before.

Thx in advance.

Is there any AsCM available to Pakistan ?

Iam refering to PAFs Mirages

Not bad from a coast guard point of view, chasing smugglers who might have shoulder fired missiles.

Quite an expensive retaliation to a smuggler.

Chinook by the way Iranian warrior was trying to be sarcastic as a member before him said that the Hoot missile would be of no use for the PAF.

This is a fantastic weapon. I never knew a torpedo, under water could travel this fast. If this was mounted onto PN submarines it could be potentially deadly and especially with a range of 10-15KM. The only problem is putting it on a ship would be pointless since no enemy ship would close to within 10-15KM of it, so that the weapon can be utilised. When there are longer range guided missiles involved it is almost impossible to use this weapon so essentially it will be a waste of space aboard a ship. Integrating an advanced version of it, with an enhanced range onto aircraft would be deadly since the moment the torpedo plummets to the sea it is unstoppable; unlike many anti-ship ALCMs which can be shot down with surface to air missiles on board the enemy ship.

None the less this torpedo is a very attractive propostion. In my opinion the PAF/PN should look into this technology and sign a contract with transfer of tech too and maybe even conduct joint research to create this enhanced air launched version i proposed. Further joint research could result in an improved weapon.

Coast guards are better off using some cheap guided missiles as they have a longer range. Also if one guided missile comes screaming in towards a smugglers boat the smugglers with their meagre shoulder fired missiles and small arms will be unable to prevent their obliteration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval

Rahul what was the point in that quote.
I know the Hoot missile is based on the Russian shkval.

You were saying that you dint know that a torpedo would travel that fast under water! so i thought i would post you that link for you to know about Super Cavitation

It would be a bad idea to jeopardize an aircraft to attack enemy vessels wih such short ranged weapons, better use standoff AShCM instead, this is more suitable for submarines.

Man! it beats me why PN already hasn't got this beauty!!!!!!!!!

And why the hell are you guys so damn dismissive of it. This is the perfect weapon for ALL PN's attack craft. If we can get the iranian stealthy flying boats and arm these torpedoes onto them, then it would make for a perfect combo.

The Hoot could be armed on low-RCS and low-exhaust UAV's developed indigenously. Your ship could then launch the UAV at an enemy ship, getting it within the torpedo range, and fire. BOOM !. Let the barak stop that underwater.

Even losing a dozen UAV's for each hit scored is a good bargain.

Another possibility: launch a wooden/fiber kayak carrying the torpedo inside it. The kayak wouldn't be detected by the ship's radar. Once it gets within range, the torpedo is launched.

Yet another one: Micro Subs are launched from a ship/large sub. They get within 15 km of enemy target, fire the torpedo, get out again.

More: sow numbers of these torpedo at selected locations in the sea [something like a naval mine]. When it detects a target within its range, it might do an IFF and launch off. The launch could be autonomous, or it could be remotely launched. This thing can simply seal off our territorial waters from enemy ships/subs, or it could cripple enemy ports. Think of it as a super-duper-sea-mine. The only thing that we require for pulling this weapon system off is some great passive sensors. [those shouldn't be more difficult to obtain from the west than the Bomb was !!]

So many possibilities.......This thing will give any navy a nightmare. If the iranians can get the Shkval-2 and share it with us, it'd be the single biggest force-multiplier in the PN's possession. Remember, the indians have the barak ABM, and it was in all probability been tested on and tuned to shoot down harpoon/excocet on which PN so critically depends. We NEED a better system. And the Hoot + yj-12 will make a great pair till we develop a hypersonic cruise missile with china and possibly iran and ukraine.

What do you guys think ?

I know a torpedo can travel that fast under water!
I was just a little happy because torpedos attributed with this blistering speed and long range are not available for the Pakistan armed forces since they are in Russian hands but seeing that they are also in Iranian hands, means such fast and long ranged torpedos are available for the Pakistan armed forces.
Its not often you see a torpedo available (available because it can easily be bought from Iran) for the Pakistani armed forces with such a long range and with such great speed.

I think this weapon is best utilised by submarines as they can attack at longer ranges and very quickly with this weaon making them more deadly. If used by aircraft the aircraft would have to get so close to destroy it, it would probably be shot down. Again with shoreline batteries and ships using this weapon they can easily be taken out by guided missiles from a far.

I totally agree with you guys the importance of this weapon cannot be understated and indeed it will be a huge force multiplier for the PN and provide some detterance as such a weapon can inspire fear in the enemy especially if used by submarines.

Bilal i have long agreed with you since the opening of this thread that this wepaon is best utilised by submarines as they can attack from a far and quickly, before diving therefore reducing the time at the surface or near it so there is less time for the enemy to destroy the submarine. Also at these ranges depth charges on board the ship cannot engage the submarine, the only thing that can are anti-submarine helicopters.