Pakistan to get Four F-16 Fighter Jets on 28th June 2008
June 19, 2008

By Sajjad Malik

Jets part of consignment of 28 F-16s US agreed to sell in 1990s

ISLAMABAD: The United States is set to hand over to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) four F-16 fighter jets on June 28, defence sources told.

The four jets are part of a larger consignment of 28 F-16 aircraft, which the US agreed to sell Pakistan in the 1990s to strengthen its defences, in recognition of Pakistan’s services in the conflict again the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s. However, the delivery of 28 aircrafts was stopped amidst US allegations that Pakistan was pursuing a clandestine nuclear weapons programme. The US agreed to provide the remaining jets after an agreement in 2005 increasing military co-operation between the two allies in the war on terror. The US had already delivered two F-16 aircrafts to the PAF, sources said.

“With handing over of four more F-16 on June 28, it is hoped that the remaining aircrafts embargoed by the US would also be delivered soon,” the sources said.

They said that the A and B models of the jet have been delivered. The US first tried to sell them to other countries but later on inducted the aircrafts into the US Air Force and the US Navy. “But these aircrafts were used sparingly and not used in a regular manner as the US knew they belonged to Pakistan,” the sources said, adding that PAF Chief Air Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmad played a key role in getting the aircrafts delivered. “He was the director of operations when Pakistan placed the order to purchase these F-16 for PAF,” the sources said.

On September 30th 2006 the contract was signed between the two governments for the acquisition of 18 new F-16C/D jets with an option of another 18 more. The US has also agreed to assist with aircraft upgrades.

Link: http://paffalcons.blogspot.com/2008/06/pak...ghter-jets.html

YAYYyyyyyyyyyYYyyy! More Junk on its WAYYyyyyyYYYYYYYyyyyY

If thats the case, why live in a junk yard ?

Yeah what an achievement--our so called leaders are having our soldiers and civilians killed for the sake of getting a few freaking obselete jets!!! Yeah keep killing our soldiers and civilians for some spares!

Say what are British, Canadians or the Ausies going to achive in Afghanistan? they are dying there too!
Where as the trouble is at our own door step.

28 F16 will be massive boost to an Air force that has had to contend with low cost F7 & second hand mirage 5 for over 15 years.

This will nearly double their F16 fleet to over 60 planes.

ADD 18 brand new F16 BLOCK C/D thats 80 F16 BY 2010 latest ( thats the same NO HAS INDIA su30 mki & SU30K combined) ....

Atleast rust bucket F-7Ps will not perform CAPs. An impressive replacement by the way.

The F-7s may be nearing their life span, but don't forget they were the saving grace and the back bone in the 90s just like the F-6s in the 80s,
F-7 was a potent adversery and is still serving PAF well!

Lols, we dont need any sort of grace, we need the capability and reliabilty. Yes they have served us well but still they should be retired now.

It's a bit early to jump the gun, few years before JF-17 is in numerical strength, imagine if the F-16s weren't released or worse Mr Obama puts his foot down, you will be saying "we should upgrade the F-7s, perhaps in line to the ROSE". After all other countries are upgrading their MIG-21s to Lancer standard and even India is involved in the Bison project.

somebody tell me.... are these the f-16 we ordered back then or the news ones we were suppose to get?

look while ur getting them, get them, they do benefit the airforce and are one reason out of many that make the sh1tty situation we are in somewhat more bareable. If they decide to stop delivery, who cares? We haven't paid for them.

We can easily replace them with something else.

With the JF-17 and the J-10, PAF does not NEED the F-16, but would certainly benefit from them if they did receive them.

Indeed Pakistan will benefit from every single addition of the falcon, the argument is regarding the F-7s.
As posted earlier, the JF-17 will not be in squadron's strength for a few years, despite all the stories circulating, and PAF showing intrest for a couple of squadrons, no firm orders for the J-10 have been placed, reason; the current machine is not of PAF's specific requirements infact the Chinese are still having some teething problems with it.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Besides, we know how to integrate them, and improvise them.
Hence, won't mess with our J's avionics until really necessary to.

So we have 2, and 4 more (out of 28).
when are we supposed to get the balance of the 22?
I mean, they are all ready, not in production as such, why the delay?



We have confirmed orders for 36 J-10's bud.
What's not confirmed is increasing the orders to 60 - 150 more.
And J-10's do meet our requirement to counter Indian MIG 29/SU 30/F-18

PAF is keen to aquire around 36 J-10S, but no commitment has been signed as yet.
The current Chinese dedicated configuration doesn't meet PAF's mission profile.
And buddy, since when has the IAF been operating F-18/Hornets?

Totally agreed

We've comitted to 36 J-10's, please, it's stale news now.
India's getting F-18's with full ToT.

Since when, find out bud!

100% solid and agreed

Yeah PAF havnt signed the deal yet. Since the J-10 avionics systems didnt pleased the PAFs expectations.

Explain your statement. What are you calling a junkyard exactly?

Well, the member who posted,"more junk on it's way", refering to imminent delivery of the F-16s, himself is a residence in the USA.

All shots in the dark!!!!

the air chief said there were other options if the f-16s don't come through

we have up to 400 JF-17s and J-10s on order

250 JF-17 are comfired so that leaves 150 J-10 but you are quoting the pakdef.info figure but from what i know the other Option is france garenteed 100% as far as J-10 go CAC hasnt even started to build the 1st of the 36 J-10 from what i have heard PAF is more interested in the improved J-10 which is to fly this year so i believe the 150 figure is a bit immature. Although its going to be above 75 but below 100.

The PakDef number for J-10 was capped at 150, but the minimum was 60...so it'll be between.

As for the French option/Rafale...if it happens, then it will probably happen if UAE actually does order a good number...chances would go up if Saudi Arabia & Egypt also order.

Do you realise the unit price of Rafel, it's the main obstacle for launching an export order!

It's around the same as EF...for many countries the main issue has been that France is the only operator. Unlike Rafale, the EF was built within a consortium with multiple willing partners, hence the trust value. The same applies to JF-17...unless it soon scores a solid combat record or grabs orders from China, its export potential might be questionable.

Sunny from what i have come to know and discussed with PAF pilots they tell me what makes Rafale expensive its not the jet but what (level of technology) technolog you want with it i.e look at this way F-16C/D block52M or + in our case cost us 83 million $$$ a piece if it would have been the F-16E/F block 60 when PAF was negociating for these jets and they were offered block 60 with all the associated goods and stuff was offered to PAF at the price of $$$ 127 million per copy this was told to me by my relative i can tell the name and rank but i am not permitted to do so since Mods here have warned me and stoped me from doing so.Like wise a Rafale can cost us from some where 105 million to 135 million per copy but it all depends on the technology you want with it.

Do remember this a single Rafale can do the job of 2 or more F-16C/D with the F-3 upgrade it would be at its prime a true breed 4.5 generation aircraft.

Intially France was also a partner in the Typhoon project, but there was such a delay in launching the production of the then EF, that France parted company and went solo thus the Rafel was born, there is no question of trust as this baby is from the same house that delivered the Mirage 3/5 and 2000 series as well as the naval Etendarnds and the Atlantic types.
As for JF-17, there is great potential in the African market, Allan Warnes commented that countries use to reciving "hand me downs" can afford a brand new front line fighter for the same price!

BoB, wouldn't say with conviction but i was under impression that the new F-16 are in the $25 million range where as the likes of F-15/Eagle, F-18/Hornets are in the $50 million category. I remember Pakistan declining the Mirage 2000, because the tag was about $40 millon per unit.
Rafel incorporates stealth technology, has two engines, single joy stick.....something unique for a twin engine fighter as well as many other advance features, again correct me if i am wrong, but my under standing is it carries a price tag of $65 million + or perhaps that's the quote for NATO partners.
Have a nice one Bob!

beggers cant be chosers

Or, it's a beggers belief!
Suppose that makes you proud down in Dundee!

65 Million $ /plane, in basic configuration may be. But as soon as you start to add some advanced goodies along with logistics and spares it easily cross 100 million mark.

Thanks! I am slow so I did not understand it

Sunny stop giving Scotland a bad name I know your type very well.And stop pretending your from Scotland cus ur not.

Aziqbal now thats below the belt bro, frankly i disagree with you on a lot of things and like wise you always dont agree with me either i say but Russian you say its junk and the story continues but i, you or anybody else dont have a right to say where he/she is from thats a bit rude no offense.

Regards,

BoB

Sunny bro you my friend need to wake up and smell the coffie, even the new USAF
F-16block50/52 are purchased for 45million thats the cost at which LM sells a brand sparking new F-16 to USAF. A single F-16 block 52M(+) costs at 83 million a pop (a piece/per copy) thats why me and many including members at this forum and many other forums most of them were against such a purchase cause thats very expensive.

You should know military exports are very expensive during 1994/95 when PAF wanted to buy the M2K/M2k5 from france the price quoted at that time for Mirages were 65 million $ per copy. Rafale isnt stealth but it certainly has a very small RCS (radar cross section) and yes it is an excellent jet with the new generation AESA radar, Supercruise (will have) thanks to the new and improved M88-3 engines Active cancelation and best weapons Europe and france has to offer including the Meteor missles.

Nato and its allies are sold equiptment at cheap prices, where as exports to other countries that are not NATO allies are sold military exports at quite high prices.

Oh aye the noo Jimmy!
I didn't know living in Scotland was so privalaged that people lie about it, and how exactly my type give Scotland a bad name ? did you peek under my kilt or something?!!!

Hi BoB, I am not in a position to disagree with you as i seldom follow the financial aspect of the subjects discussed, however the figures i posted earlier came to my knowledge from local magazines, perhaps you will also recall, Pakistani authorities insisting that as Pakistan is a non NATO ally, hence the equipment cost will be same as the members. I said Rafale incorporates stealthy features, like the special paint which is said to absorb the radar beam/signature.
I also have a friend in PAF, he lead the F-16 formation fly past on Pakistan day...............
Thanks for the above information, however it puzzles me then how come Malaysia reportedly paid about $36million for each Flanker?
Take care!

Russia jets are very cheap to buy but very hard to maintian the indian SU-30MKI cost about 35 million a piece with all associated goodies if i am not wrong the Malaysian SU-30MKM cost about 36 million but i think the hike in one million is due to use of French avionics where as indian use isreali avionics.

Sunny I really dont find you funny, keep your SNP idealogys to yourself cus i aint interested.

Just imagine maintaining double engined huge planes... They have now 60 MKI's and already facing troubles with number of pilots or tires.. Wit til they end up having 200 plus. Compare that with JF17 maintenance...

They also have a dat big budget. 12 billlions. thats a hell in short!

Russian machine, stuffed with Israeli, French and Indian gadgets.......maintance crew's nightmare!!!

Not to mention 2 heavy class Russian engines but AL-31 has an excellent record so far.

Initially you deny my scottish residence, now you refer me as SNP ideologist, am i missing something here?
Does it stand for Salam Namaste Party?

all i will say that pakistan needs strike aircraft with the same category of J 11B..... these aircrafts escorted by JF 17 for deep territorial penetration and targeting. hell they will be able to carry atleast 4 RAAD cruise missiles... use less aircraft to do more of strike missions, hence keep smaller inventory with more payload capacity, saving lot on maintenance of aircrafts.....

PAF F16 that arrive now are coming with USA money ie grant aid.

Some of this money was supose to be spent on proping up the pakistani economy. which now seems i serious trouble...

If the defense budget published at $4 bilion dollars is true then the chances of PAF buying Rafael or any other true 4 gen fighter are almost zero

They only realistic hope is USA keeps pumping money so they cam buy some J10....in future...from china.

A J10 export model costs $40m approx versis rafael at well over $80m each.

The Pakistani economy is not as progressive as Indian, because Pakistani 10/11 year olds go to school not slave for 14 hours a day in sweat shops,
The Pakistani government is not as rich as the Indian, because it spends money in public sector so it's nationals don't end up sleeping on footpaths, under bridges and inside gutter pipes etc.
The Pakistani citizens are generally healthy because unlike Indians they drink milk from their cows!!!!!!!!
When the need arises this country called Pakistan can produce such war winners as the Babur, without any assistance from say Mr Moscow!
Pakistan also has a city called Gujrat, and the only smoke rising is from the network of factories and foundries.
To sum it all, back in the 80s when Pakistan got it's 40 F-16s, India went berserk and even after Mirage-2000, MIG-29 and SU-30s the dielama hasn't diminished, imagine if Pakistan was to go for something like Rafale, all the cows will probably be slaughtered to please Kali ma.

"The Pakistani economy is not as progressive as Indian, because Pakistani 10/11 year olds go to school not slave for 14 hours a day in sweat shops,"

IN REPLY

The Pakistani economy is a fraction of india,s THE DIFFERENCE IS HUGE ie india,s resources are approx 7 times as much via GDP and 30 times as much by forex.

That has not happened via sweat shops.

Regardless

Uncle sam is giving away free F16 to PAF so QUDOS to them. mASSIVE JUMP IN QUALITY FROM OLD MIRAGES & F7 chinease mig21