H-4

Pakistan's H-4 BVRAAM is an air-to-air missile (AAM) capable of striking targets beyond visual range (BVR). It uses infrared heat seeking to target at distances of up to 120 kilometers, and may be able to evade radar.[1]

The missile is developed by the Pakistan National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM).[2] Successful tests were conducted in 2003 which apparently led to field deployment on the Mirage and JF-17 Thunder aircraft. Pakistani technicians modified the South African T-Darter medium-range, active radar-guided air-to-air missile to produce the H-4.[3][4] According to PAF sources quoted by "The Dawn" that main aim or objective of H-4 missile is to equip the Thunder, while it could be used on Mirage fighter jets. The H-4 BVRAAM is said to be comparable to AA-12 in the IAF arsenal.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-4_BVR-AAM

H-2

Pakistan's H-2 BVRAAM is air-to-air missile (AAM) capable of striking targets beyond visual range (BVR). It is infrared radar guided was designed to hit targets out to 32nm (60km)[1]and can evade radar.[2] The missile is developed by the National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM).[3]Successful tests were conducted in 2003 which apparently led to field deployment on the Mirage and JF-17 Thunder aircraft. The missile is modified version of the South African T-Darter BVR missile.[4]According to PAF source H-2 is comparable to the Python 4 of Israel in IAF arsenal.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-2_BVR-AAM

Is there more info available on the net concerning these missiles ?

H2 and H4 are air to ground stand of PGM's with H2 being able ro glide and hit targets 60km away where as H4 is a PGM as well with a rocket booster attached to it to increase its range to 120Km they are both licenced copies of South African mutations.

The above info you got is complete wrong and rubbish this has been discussed to death.

does Pakistan develops any (BVR)AAM and what are the future plans on this.

AOA,

According to some western defence magazines such as Janes, Airforces Monthly, Pakistan is working with China for developing SD-10 missile. The sources say these missiles are a perfect match for AA-12 Active BVR.

These missiles will be used on JF-17s and J-10s.

Moreover, China has developed Licensed version of Israeli Python missiles as seen on J-10 prototype.

Lets see what happens.

Allah hafiz

I thought that china wont be sharing the tech of SD-10 with anyone as its among the most advance technology develop by China. They might provide the weapon to us but without the TOT.

Exactly !!

which squadron uses this H4 weapon and which aircraft?

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I saw a painting on the 50th anniversary of 15 sqn which had one of the bombs, not sure if it was H-2 or H-4, but it gave an indication that the bomb is carried by Mirage VPA.

AOA,

So far, Mirages are upgraded to carry such weapons. However the main objective is to make JF-17 qualified for the weapon.

It will be a reality in near future InshAllah.

the aim is to multiply the capability of the force by diversifying the types of munitions carried by ALL aircraft...not sure about the F16s...but the F7pgs and Mirages are capable of carrying everytype of munition concievable..and this has been done via local enginuety of PAF engineers......so say if there is a new missile such as Aim120c5 it will also be used on f7s mirages, jf-17s, J10s...etc etc etc....

BVR AAM there has be rumurs of Denel transferring techology of the T-darter to PAF

also in field of WVR missiles PAF is in talks with Denel for its A-Darter missile, which is equivilant in performance to a Aim-9X

AOA,

Can someone tell me if the H4 Missile is fired at high altitude or it is fired at Low altitude.

Please note that views are not requested, information with authentic sources are requested.

Thanx,
Allah hafiz

at lower altitudes it has a lower range, and at higher altitudes it has a higher range, but no one knows if the 120km was done from low altitude or high altitude...

we also have AGM-154

i thought they are the same class as american GBU (glide bomb units).... higher the altitude the greater the range. only difference between H2 and H4 is the rocket powered motor on H4 for twice the range of H2.

i want to share another news. if american units had dropped GBU38 from 30 thousand feet, then they can travel upto 28 kms... Therefore, these smart bombs were dropped from within afghan border.

Getting back to H2 and H4. does anyone know what class bombs are these? 500lbs or 2000lbs ????? based on BLU 109 steel penetrator or classic Mk82. 84 HE fragment?

Thanks to wasimr for originally posting the link on PakDef:

http://paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?202914

Seems like PAF may request the AIM-132 ASRAAM for at least part of its 5th gen. WVRAAM requirement. The missile is marketed on the MBDA website (link), but probably from the U.K division of the company.

The AIM-132 ASRAAM was tested on the F-16-series in the 1990s, but it has not been officially certified for active usage like the AIM-9X or IRIS-T in Turkish and Greek use, respectively. If the PAF intends to use ASRAAM on its F-16, then we could expect some licensing & certification clearance. However since the missile has already been tested on F-16, I don't think it will be much of an issue.

I'm not sure about extensive usage, but it is possible that for export purposes the JF-17 too will be certified and cleared for ASRAAM...although PAF will probably use ASRAAM on mostly F-16, and something else on JF-17.

Mark i dont really think UK would be selling us AIM-132 ASRAAM IMHO, i think we will get our hands on the IRIS-T and the Daniel A Darter as far as WVR missles go, i also believe the AIM-132 can be an option for PAF F-16's AM/BM and the Block 52+ but then PAF would rather like to stick with the Aim-9x or would like to order it later on when the missle is avialable less hassle if you know what i mean, Mica is also being promoted for the thunder last i heard the deal went a head i think RC-400 and the Mica combo for the thunder which many of us opposed what ever happend to the MBDA Mica and the french RC-400 deal for the thunder.

By the way whats your belief what will we eventually end up with in terms of a 5th generation WVRAAM.

dear brothers i think in 21st centurey and a country like pakistan which can make babur missile how can their be silenced in PAF. it is such a necessary thin that i am sure we cant even afford having not a BVR. definitly PAF would have some solution to that.
The real problem is to have 4.5 gen AC to counter the Drones from the western border.

A drone can be taken out by using a simple sidewinder may it be Aim-9 on any PAF plane, we need 4.5 generation to take on the likes of indian future MRCA not drones. Young bro you need to increase your knowledge on PAF weapons,oprations threats. the only reason drones fire into our country is due to the permission of the goverment and the fact our leader ship is spineless to answer back in the same manner there are lots of threats out there those include not drones but heavy duty fighter jets but PAF is in the process of being upgraded.

I would advise you to read and learn.

Kind regards,

BoB

I remember when i started this forum i bought up the H2/H4 issue, made a huge thread on it, discussed it to death almsot and helped clear up the misconceptions regarding the H2/H4 :), that was 2 and a half years ago !