What kind of chinese anti ship weapons does pakistan have?? C701, C801, C802 and C803 ??? Also, it seems like pakistani Raad is very similar to chinese YJ63 cruise missile with almost same shape and range ???

Also, i would like to know the range of these anti ship weapons and can they be used as dual land based attack missiles as well as anti ship version?

I know we have C-802, which has a max range of 120km. It cannot be used against land-based targets.

I don't know what other Chinese anti-ship missiles we have.

Ra'ad definitely does not look anything like YJ-62 or any other Chinese missile for that matter.

I find the meaning of "Ra'ad" is thunder in English. And JF-17 is "thunder" too. It seem that PAF really like the name "thunder".

Id love to see the PN get a few Sunburns!!!

AM-39 (air-launched) and SM-39 (submarine-launched) Exocets (range 50-70km), RGM-84 (shiplaunched) and UGM-84 (submarine-launched) Harpoons (range 130km), HY-1s (max range 70 km) and C-802 (max range 120 km) s are the anti-ship missiles of Pakistan Navy. An air-launched land attack cruise missile (LACM) of the C-802 known as KD-88 (C-802KD) is in service with the PLA Air Force (PLAAF). There is a Harpoon variant that is dedicated to land-attack: SLAM-ER (AGM-84H) This has a range of 280km.

I think Penguin concludes the thread with the above information.
The difference between the C-802 and YJ-83 is huge the former having a range of 120KM while the later with a range 180KM-250KM (most probably 180 or above) so i think they should be counted seperately, not collectively under the umbrella of the C-802. Since you have gone into the difficulty of distinguishing between the different types of Harpoons and likewise for one variant of the C-802 i thought it would be best to do the same with the YJ-83 and count it separate after all it is a much improved derivative of the C-802.
Pakistan is getting the YJ-83 system with the F-22P frigates it ordered with transfer of tech.

the latest C-802 is basically the export version of YJ-83. The entire stuff about C-802 having less range could be true, but it's definitely not as significant as some people are saying. In fact, I have been deriving the range of YJ-83 from the news about latest C-802 variants sold around the world. For example, the Bangladeshi one apparently had a range of 120-140 nm. That gives you a good idea of what is getting exported to PN.

YJ 83 range estimates are all over, differences probably due to a) air vs surface/ship launch and b) flight profile.

160 km (http://www.missilethreat.com/cruise/id.67/cruise_detail.asp)
150~200km (http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/YJ-83_a001830001.aspx)
180~250km (http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj83.asp)
255+ km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-802)

What about the chinese supersonic and hypersonic missiles? Don't they have a supersonic ashm (Russian copy?). I read somewhere that pakistan was involved in one such project.

What about their scramjets?

Well, what about them? Are they in Pakistani service?

Not sure, do the Chinese even have their own supersonic anti-ship missiles? Russian supersonic AshMs have actually been grossly overstated as being 'carrier sinkers.' The Russians, during the 90s, sold AshMs to the USN. The USN was not impressed at all by the missiles as they were very lacking in their stated range and weren't as fast as advertised. Also, going at such high speeds, these AshMs will have to fly rather quite high and they will be pretty easy targets for many anti-missile systems currently available on the market. The US isn't going towards supersonic anti-ship missiles even though US companies have such technology and neither is France, probably one of the largest exporters of anti-ship missiles in the world.

HaiYing-3 (HY-3) land-to-ship missile: The development was completed in the early 1990s but the missile did not enter service.

SY-2B / FeiLong-7 (FL-7) land-to-ship missile: developed for export market only (no current exports)

China does operate Russian supersonics (Kh-31P NATO reporting name: AS-17C Krypton-C / 3M-80E Moskit NATO codename: SS-N-22 Sunburn / 3M-54E Club-S NATO codename: SS-N-27 Sizzler)

Penguin, are u stating that pakistan has AGM84H in its inventory, i do know pakistan placed an order for Harpoon 2 with America, are we on the same page on AGM84H also known as harpoon 2? if thats the case than pakistan will be able to counter IN threat very easily...

Also, can we replace Harpoon 2 with our current inventory of harpoon on everyship, what i am trying to say is, do these missiles ( Harp 1 and 2) have same physical specifications.?

Also, Harpoon 1 and Exocet are within Pakistan navy for more than 2 decades, did we create or did chinese create any variant of reverse engineered missiles from these two lethal missiles?

Third and the last one, How is Swedish pengiun fares with these two missiles?

No, I stated that Pakistan has RGM-84 and UGM84. There does exist AGM84H but this is not in the Pakistani inventory. AGM84 and R/UGM-84 are worlds apart, I'ld rather not refer to it as Harpoon 2 but SLAM-ER (also in view of the different missile purpose). AGM-84H is air launched only.
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/bill_spi...84h-1/index.php



AFAIK there is no Pakastani anti-ship missile that is not an import.

The Norwegian designed Kongsberg Penguin missile is a shorter range system (35-55km, depending on version and launchmode) than Harpoon and Exocet. It is also lighter, with a smaller warhead (120kg vice over 221kg vor Harpoon e.g.) as it is meant for patrol aicraft, attack jets, helicopters and smaller surface combattants. It has an passive IR rather than a active radar seekerhead (at the time, it was the first western AShM to have such a seeker). The Penguin can be fired singly or in coordinated-arrival salvoes. Propelled by a solid rocket engine, it performs random weaving maneuvres at target approach and hits the target close to the waterline. Of the western inventory of such missiles, it is the only variant that performs a terminal bunt and weave manoeuvre.

McDonnell Douglas Corp., a wholly owned subsidiary of The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Mo., is being awarded a $191,362,762 firm-fixed-priced contract for the procurement of four Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER) exercise missiles retrofitted from SLAMs to SLAM-ERs for the U.S. Navy. This contract also provides for the procurement of 48 SLAM-ER tactical missiles (Turkey) and 2 each SLAM-ER Guidance Sections (Turkey); SLAM-ER Warhead Sections (Turkey); SLAM-ER Sustainer Sections (Turkey); SLAM-ER Control Sections (Turkey); SLAM-ER Exercise Missiles (Turkey); SLAM-ER Captive Air Training Missiles (Turkey); Harpoon Exercise Sections (Japan); Harpoon Exercise/Warhead Containers (Japan); and Harpoon Captive Air Training Missile (CATM-84) (Ballistic Air Test Vehicle-uninstrumented) (Korea) for Foreign Military Sales. In addition, this contract provides for the procurement of 3 SLAM-ER Instrumented Recoverable Air Test Vehicles (Turkey), 59 SLAM-ER All Up Round (AUR) Missile Containers (Turkey), 40 Harpoon Tactical Block II Encapsulated AURs (Pakistan (30) and Korea (10)), 15 Harpoon Tactical Block II Air Launch AURs (Korea), 40 Harpoon Encapsulated AUR containers (Pakistan (30) and Korea (10)), 9 Harpoon Air Launch AUR Containers (Korea), and 6 Harpoon Guidance Section Containers (Japan) for Foreign Military Sales. Work will be performed in St. Charles, Mo. (45.75%); various locations across the United States (9.35%); McKinney, Texas (8.29%); the United Kingdom (8.03%); Toledo, Ohio (5.44%); Tucson, Ariz. (4.18%); Huntsville, Ala. (3.59%); Melbourne, Fla. (3.31%); Fort Washington, Pa. (2.74%);Middletown, Conn. (1.91%); Galena, Kansas (1.80%); Erlanger, Ky.. (1.44%); Elkton, Md. (1.44%); Clearwater, Fla. (1.44%); and Kirkwood, Mo. (1.29%) and is expected to be completed in December 2011. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured. This contract combines purchases for the U.S. Navy ($3,749,208; 1.96%) and the Governments of Turkey ($79,150,963; 41.36%); Pakistan ($63,666,450; 33.27%); Korea ($43,974,637); and Japan ($821,504; 0.43%) under the Foreign Military Sales Program. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md. is the contracting activity (N00019-07-C-0037).
http://www.deagel.com/news/Turkey-Pakistan...n000001762.aspx

Pentagon moves to sell Pakistan anti-ship missiles
06 May 2005 22:30:32 GMT

Source: Reuters
By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON, May 6 (Reuters) - The Pentagon notified congress on Friday of a proposed sale to Pakistan of 40 air-launched and 20 ground-launched Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles and related materials valued at up to $180 million.

Pakistan, a key ally in the U.S.-declared war on terrorism, plans to use the equipment to modernize its existing Harpoon missile capability, the announcement said.

The Pakistani Navy already has AGM-84 Block I air/surface/subsurface launch capability, it said.

"The modernization will enhance Pakistan's legitimate self-defense capability," the Pentagon told congress, which has 30 days to move to block any such government-to-government arms sale.

The sale would not affect the basic military balance in the region, the notice said.

"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country that continues to be a key ally in the global war on terrorism," it said.

The principal contractors are Chicago-based Boeing <BA.N.> and Delex Systems, Inc., of Vienna, Virginia, the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency said in the mandatory notice.

On March 25, President George W. Bush authorized the sale of Lockheed Martin (LMT) F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in a reversal of 15 years of U.S. policy aimed at curbing Pakistan's nuclear weapons program.

At the same time, the administration announced it would let U.S. firms supply India multi-role combat aircraft, including upgraded F-16s and F-18s, as well as Patriot missile defense systems.

The AGM-84 Harpoon Block II missile features satellite-guidance systems designed to attack targets in congested off-shore locations.

Pakistan Begins Receiving P-3C Orions
by Kenneth B. Sherman
Nov. 18, 2005




Pakistan took early delivery of the first of eight ex-US Navy P-3C Orion aircraft in October as part of a US military assistance package.

Pakistan received the first of eight P-3C aircraft in October, ahead of schedule, as deliveries originally weren't slated to begin until 2006.

Lockheed Martin

The Orions represent big upgrade in Pakistan's maritime-patrol and command-and-control capabilities, as the Pakistan Navy has until recently been flying three far less capable Atlantique maritime-patrol aircraft and five Fokker F-27-200/400 aircraft.

In the fall of 2004, Portuguese aircraft refitter OGMA had been chosen by Lockheed Martin (Marietta, GA) to refit for service Pakistan's two remaining P-3C Update II.5 Orions, purchased between 1991 and 1996 (a third was lost in an accident). At that time, Pakistan had been preparing to buy eight older P-3B aircraft but subsequently placed an order instead for eight US Navy surplus P-3C aircraft, as well as a number of other weapons systems (see "Pakistan to Enlarge Maritime-Patrol Fleet"). According to a Lockheed Martin spokesman, as part of the deal, the P-3Cs are being upgraded to the Update III Anti-Surface Warfare Improvement Program (AIP) and Block Modification Upgrade Program (BMUP) standards (see "Pakistan Requests P-3C Orions From US").

The P-3C Update III AIP provides the following: the capability of carrying the Maverick infrared (IR)-guided missile; the AN/AAS-36A IR detection set; the AN/AVX-1 electro-optical sensor; the AN/APS-137B(V)5 synthetic-aperture radar (SAR), which also has an inverse-SAR mode; the EP-2060 pulse analyzer; high-resolution color displays; the Over-the-Horizon Airborne Sensor Information System (OASIS) III; and the OZ-72(V) Multimission Advanced Tactical Terminal (MATT). For self-protection, the AIP standard includes the AN/AAR-47 missile-warning system; the AN/ALE-47 chaff/flare dispenser; and the AN/ALR-66C(V)3 electronic-support-measures system.

The BMUP modification, meanwhile, consists of a new data-processing subsystem based on the CP-2451/ASQ-227 digital computer and a new acoustic subsystem based on the USQ-78B display and control unit, plus the capability to carry the Standoff Land Attack Missile - Expanded Response (SLAM-ER). In addition, Pakistan has also expressed the intention of adding modifications to the aircraft to allow it to employ the French Exocet and Chinese C-802 anti-ship missiles, as well as the French-Italian A244 torpedo.

The P-3C aircraft for Pakistan will be paid for, in part, through US military assistance as part of the global war on terror, and the total cost for the eight airplanes plus upgrades is estimated to be $970 million. The recent delivery of the first aircraft beats the initial first estimated delivery date of 2006. All eight aircraft are to have been delivered by 2009.

The eight P-3Cs are part of a total buy worth $1.3 billion. Other weapons included in the package are 2,000 TOW-2A missiles, 60 Harpoon missiles, six Phalanx 20mm guns, and the upgrade of six additional gun systems.

Pakistan had also planned to purchase new F-16s from the US (see "New F-16s for Pakistan"), but those plans were recently shelved in the wake of the earthquake that struck the country on Oct. 8.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency informed Congress of a request from Pakistan for 50 UGM-84L (submarine-launched), 50 RGM-84L (surface-launched), and 30 AGM-84L (air-launched) Block II Harpoon missiles; 5 Encapsulated Harpoon Command Launch Systems; 115 containers; missile modifications; training devices; spare and repair parts; technical support; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; technical data and publications; U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $370 million.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ahoy-p...missiles-02332/

C-301

The C-301 (also known as HY-3, with western designation CSSC-X-6) is a large supersonic coastal defense anti-ship missile with four solid rocket boosters and two ramjet sustainer engines located aft of the missile body. the kerosene-fueled ramjet engines kick in, accelerating the missile to a cruise speed of greater than Mach 2.0. The maximum range is 180 km, and it can fly below 50 meters at its cruise altitude. The missile is programmed to descent from cruising altitude to a much lower altitude before the active-radar terminal phase begins, then dive onto the target just prior to impact.

Like its smaller cousin C-101, the C-301 suffers from higher cruise altitude and slower speed when compared to the more potent SS-N-22, and thus is relatively prone to interception in comparison to the SS-N-22. Due to its similar size to the SS-N-22, the radar cross section is not much smaller than that of the SS-N-22, but due to its lower speed, the infrared signature of C-301 is somewhat lower than that of SS-N-22 to a certain degree. However, C-301 is cheaper to produce than its Russian counterparts. As a result, C-301 only saw very limited service in the People's Liberation Army Navy as a coastal defense missile, and a stopgap measure in a limited scale production as more capable missiles becoming more widely available.
However, unlike its smaller cousin C-101 that can be carried by numerous aircraft in the Chinese inventory, the C-301 can only be carried by Xi’an H-6 due to its large size and weight. It is safe to conclude that as newer missiles entering services in greater numbers, the C-301 would eventually reduced to a sole coastal defense missile.

Just like its smaller cousin C-101, Chinese claim that other type of seekers such as infrared imaging and television seekers have been successfully developed for the missile, but the status is rather uncertain due to the availability of newer anti-ship missiles.
What a sight
http://www.iranwatch.org/Images/supplier/14c301.jpg

# Length: 9.85 m
# Wingspan: 2.24 m
# Weight: 3,400 kg
# Warhead: 500 kg
# Speed: > Mach 2.5
# Range: 180 km

YJ-91 is the Chinese version of Kh-31, with YJ short for Ying Ji (Yingji, 鹰击) meaning Eagle Strike. After purchasing 200 Kh-31P from Russia, China decided to develop their own version because the original Kh-31 missile did not fully satisfy Chinese requirement. The resulting YJ-91 missile is developed by Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation, the same manufacturer of Silkworm missile.

http://www.aviation-arthouse.com/watermark3.php?i=40

http://upfile.cat898.com/UploadFile/2007-1...16151235350.jpg

"Although the GPS-equipped Harpoon Block II was not ordered by the U.S. Navy, the missile was offered for export, and eventually ordered by several contries, including Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Taiwan, and South Korea. These export missiles are based on the RGM-84G, and designated RGM-84L. Korea has also ordered the air-launched AGM-84L variant.

The AGM-84G, RGM-84G and UGM-84G Harpoon Block 1G is an upgrade of the xGM-84D Block 1C, the main new feature being the re-attack capability of the xGM-84F Block 1D. In addition, the Block 1G has also further improved ECCM capability. Block 1G missiles will be produced by converting older Block 1C rounds.

In 1985 the Block 1C version of Harpoon was introduced, being designated AGM-84D, RGM-84D and UGM-84D. The Block 1C has increased range (AGM-84D maximum range is quoted to be 220 km (120 nm)) by using JP-10 instead of JP-6 jet fuel. The terminal attack mode of the xGM-84D is selectable (pop-up or sea-skimming), and the missile also has improved ECCM equipment.

The AGM-84E Harpoon Block 1E SLAM (Stand-off Land Attack Missile) is essentially a new missile. It is a high precision land-attack missile, which combines the airframe, engine and warhead of the anti-ship Harpoon with the WGU-10/B IIR seeker of the AGM-65D Maverick and the data link of the AGM-62 Walleye. Development of SLAM began in 1986 as an interim precision-attack missile. the first all-up AGM-84E rounds were delivered in November 1988. SLAM became operational with the U.S. Navy in 1990. The AGM-84H SLAM-ER (Stand-off Land Attack Missile - Expanded Response) is a much improved AGM-84E. Development began in 1994. The most prominent new feature of the AGM-84H are the pop-out swept wings (similar to those of the RGM/UGM-109 Tomahawk), which significantly increase the missile's range and manoeuverability. The AGM-84K is an upgraded variant of the AGM-84H SLAM-ER with internal improvements. "

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-84.html

So, two lines of development:

1. AGM-84D, RGM-84D and UGM-84D Block 1C > AGM-84G, RGM-84G and UGM-84G Harpoon Block 1G > AGM84L, RGM-84L and UGM-84L GPS-equipped Harpoon Block II.

2. AGM-84E Harpoon Block 1E SLAM > AGM-84H SLAM-ER > AGM-84K
(note there is only an AGM version of the standoff land attack missile version of Harpoon)

Currently, the only non-US customers of Harpoon SLAM-ER are SOuth Korea and Turkey
"AGM-84H SLAM ER - Contracts, Orders & Sales
Friday, March 30, 2007 Turkey procurement of 48 SLAM ER tactical missiles, practice missiles and related equipment under the foreign military sales program. The order was part of a $191 million contract awarded to McDonnell Douglas Corp/Boeing and placed by the US Navy on March 30, 2007. The contract was scheduled for completion December 2011.
Items: 48 "
http://www.deagel.com/Land-Attack-Cruise-M...a001072004.aspx

"Republic of Korea Chooses Boeing SLAM-ER Missile
ST. LOUIS, March 11, 2004 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] confirmed today the U.S. Navy, on behalf of the Republic of Korea Air Force, has finalized a $70 million foreign military sales order for Boeing Standoff Land Attack Missile -- Expanded Response (SLAM-ER) missiles.
This is the tactical missile system's first sale outside the U.S."
http://www.boeing.com/ids/news/2004/q1/nr_040311m.html
"Boeing Rolls Out First SLAM-ER for Republic of Korea
ST. LOUIS, Aug. 04, 2005 -- The first Boeing [NYSE:BA] Standoff Land Attack Missile-Expanded Response (SLAM-ER) for the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) rolled out recently during a ceremony at Boeing's Weapons Enterprise Capability Center in St. Charles, Mo."
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missil...nr_050804m.html

In late 2007, the Finnish Air Force announced that it will reinstall several features in order to enable ground attack capability for their F-18 Hornets. Among other weapons, it will test its upgraded F-18 MLU with AGM-84K Stand-Off Land Attack Missile/Expanded Response (SLAM-ER), making it a prospective customer of SLAM-ER
http://www.janes-defence-weekly.com/articl...mp;jlnk=cra0040

Well the difference in range between the C-802 and YJ-83 are great take the information Penguin provided.

"YJ 83 range estimates are all over, differences probably due to a) air vs surface/ship launch and b) flight profile.

160 km (http://www.missilethreat.com/cruise/id.67/cruise_detail.asp)
150~200km (http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/YJ-83_a001830001.aspx)
180~250km (http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj83.asp)
255+ km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-802)"

It is clear that the most reputable sources indicate the YJ-83 has a much longer range than the most advanced C-802 missiles.

C-802 is an improved version of the C-801.

YJ-81 = export version of C-801
YJ-82 = export version of C-802
YJ-83 = export version of C-803

see e.g. http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/Y...a001830001.aspx

retouch some:

the jy-8 is fist type of this series.export version is the c-801.improve version is the y-8a
the yj-81 is the air-to-ship version,export version is c-801k
the yj-82 is the submarine-to-ship version,this no export version
the c-802 is the jet engine,export vesion .it improve vesion is yj-83.becauss the c-802 is designed in Jan 1987,yj-83 is in 1994.yj-83 has not any export vesion.
c-803 is another type

HY-3 first as the antiship misdsile,becouse is not pleased of hy-3's performece,the hy-3 project was abolished after finished all test.then redetermin to design the hy-3d,it is the hy-3 surface-to-surface vesion.Pakostan may be interpost the project.but hy-3d not be continued

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj8.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj83.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/navalmissile/yj83.asp

many informtiones in web are cursory.
i am chinese in beijing ,and am editer of defence magazine.
base i konw that few web's informtion is exact about the chinese missile.
in china ,there are two design offices deal with the antiship missile,one is the 3th design office in Beijing,another is the 320 factory in Nanchang.though 320 is called as factory ,but it has a design office.
the yj- series is the production of 3th office,the kd- series is production of 320 .
all the expot version is call c- series,it is chinese national import and export tab,3th design and 320 factory share

Thanks for the additional information. I only posted links to a generally good source, which essentially conforms your earlier post. Had I felt you were wrong, I would have added argumentation :-)

thank your reply
i do not often view the english web.i come into this web by accident.
the anti-ship missile dimain is well-imformed by me ,so i fielt the web is rough and has some worng .
i see many peoples call the yj83 as c-803 etc.

most of the English info on this is mislead. There is a reason that you never see China advertise C-803 and we have never seen the deployment of YJ-82 on ships. There is only the quad YJ-83 launcher and the triple YJ-8/A launchers. YJ-82 is sub launched.

many yj-8 and yj-8a has back the factory of 3th dasign office to improve.before long the yj-8 and yj-8a will be cleared away from plan

They will only be cleared away if the Type 37s, some of the Ludas/Jianghu and Jiangwei-I are all removed. Especially if you look at 770-775, they are only built recently and still use YJ-8 launchers. 774 just went through with a major repair and it still uses YJ-8 launchers. Most of the Ludas and Jianghus are using even older missiles.

all the yj-8 and yj-8a must be serviced and rebirtrh back the factory . the type was out of biuness.

I can't understand what you are writing there exactly, but the point is that China has plenty of old missiles still in service. Yes, they have received modernization, but they are still old. You can try to improve J-7 as much as you can, but it's still a J-7.

missile are difference, becouse the seeker , the fuel,the battle desposation etc will be reboth in temly,for the old assembly was stored production ,old type will be improved

yes, you can definitely improve the performance of the missiles by a lot by upgrading certain components, it's not battle disposition, it's called warhead. If you are going to upgrade every part of the missile, you might as well just build a new one. They are not just doing this with YJ-8, but also hy-2. Point being, these missiles are still in service. Anyone can see it. I'm gonna not anymore time and argue with you on something so irrelevant.