Let's suppose...

It is 2012 and the economy is in the gutter...the Americans and Indians are gnawing at Pakistan's borders and putting it under a virtual blockade - including partial U.N. sanctions and alienation in the WTO. During this time the people we today know as the "Taliban" have become stronger and elements from the military have decided to join this militant group to fight NATO & Co. on the Western and Eastern borders. Out of their convincing battles on the border as well as utter frustration of the traditiona PML & PPP, the Taliban's political wing wins the federal elections and boots the puppet governments. However...there are things to consider before jumping to the conclusion that Pakistan is doomed:

1) Taliban Political Wing? Since when has the Taliban contested in peaceful and fair elections? Is it possible that with time and rapid decline of Pakistan that many 'moderate' elements - such as universities, think tanks and individuals - are recruited into the Taliban for a comprehensive plan for the country? Perhaps similar to what the MQM has gone through in the recent past? Could the Taliban adopt a staunch anti-feudal stance and forward land reform & industrialization policies?

2) Say the Taliban won the most seats...would they still be the majority party? Could the Taliban respect the process and undertake cadre agreements?

3) For success in ruling Pakistan - and to an extent Afghanistan & Kashmir...could the Taliban afford not to completely revamp their structure and come to terms with their past atrocities?

It's a very likely senario no matter how much Mush deny and Western countries debate the fact is there is growing support within Pakistan for Taliban support for Pakistan armed forces is all time low I have even seen Pakistanis appluad the killing of Pakistani soldiers by the hands of Taliban but one thing is for sure when they have taken control of Pakistan, we'll see a civil war there will be fractions within the Taliban that will fight each other for power and not to rule out other tribal groups who will also want a peice of the cake so they'll all just end up killing each other they won't last.

The day that happens, I'd post you my passport.

Pakistan would not be worth living in, I'd rather be Indian than Pakistani under the Taliban.

They certainly wouldn't be the Taliban if they became educated and open minded.

The day the cave man Taliban, gets into Islamabad will be the end of pakistan.

Taliban are already in Pakistan and Pakistan will never win a war against the Taliban.

If Pakistan wants to survive if they want to suceed and want to become powerful the number one thing is to throw out the Americans first.

Once Americans go and our goverments decsions are not made in Washington we will prosper. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan is a American experiment and are not there to provide help.

Pakistan needs a leader with vision and foresight a person who is strong and knows the people and the country. Otherwise Pakistan is nothing.

Actually, that is not the day it is the end of Pakistan. Rather, the day when we Pakistanis start talking about open borders with india ..... the day we loose our identity and refuse to be called Pakistanis .... the day we throw down our arms and give up the battle for Pakistan's survival ..... the day we stop believing that we are a nation with unlimited power and responsibility ..... the day we abandon our principles and stop following the life of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam, that day will be the end of Pakistan. Having said that, Pakistan will not end, nor will Pakistanis be wiped out of their identity.

When Allah Subhanaho Wata'alah has HIS strategic stake involved, HIS people deliver. This is the lands from which would be the integral part of the Black Flag Army. These are the people who would destroy all 'Munafiqeen' (hypocrits) from within them and wage war on two sinister enemies of Islam, Israel and india. When Allah Subhanaho Wata'alah has HIS strategic stake involved, HE delivers that nation from punishment and forgives their sins and they are tasked to fight for Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah, come heaven or hell. This is the land from which the Black Flag Army would merge with the rest of Khurasaan.

Taliban, Farsawanis, Israelis, indians or Americans .... there is nothing they would be able to do, when the people of Pakistan have destroyed their fear of death and live their lives in accordance with the commands of Allah Subhanaho Wata'aalah. This is how it will be, whether anyone likes it or not, whether anyone agrees with it or not. 'Kun Faya Koon' (it is done, as Allah Subahano Wata'aalah commands it to be). End of discussion

I wounder when did actually Taliban harmed Pakistan when they were in Afghanistan govt. (1996-01)? I wounder when Taliban hit indian in Afghanistan everyone start jumping, WHY?

I would like to tell 1000th time that "Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan" has nothing to do with Taliban of Afghanistan.

But bro that day is already here, the things which you have listed above have already happened ... Our identity ? In fashion we are Christians in cultural we are hindus, are these the muslims who put Jews to embarrasment ? Our FC soldiers have laid down thier arms and ran from battle field on daily basis, our so called demo-crazy leaders already asked for open borders with India ... Do we wait Pakistanis do more to destory our nation ? By God they have already done so.

Last time I checked there was a funeral of 6 FC Jawans in Peshawer who chose to fight, instead of lying down their weapons. So will you put some light on that as well.

Theres a high probability that this might happen.

Then what happens. Pakistanis as they always are would be slow to react. Then pitch battles in urban areas leading to civil war and a fight between hardline Taliban and moderate forces. This might even be good for Pakistan when the likes of PPP/MQM/ANP unite and fight the hardcore elements spreading ignorance and terrorism are fought with full conviction. Maybe then the country will unite and rid Pakistan from a lot of problems.

If musharaf is booted out and our policy becomes realistic on Afghan occupation and our judiciary is not corrupt talibans will not find any reason to fight government.They are sincere fools who does know much about Islam but for sure they are our line of defense as well.Their war in Afghanistan is serving our strategic interests and in Pakistan our foolish policies have resulted in war with them along with medling of CIA and Raw.
Their reason of popularity is justice and In NWFP they are famous for this.They are cheap alternative to expensive and corrupt judiciary that is why they are creaping forword slowly but to be honest they can never be a danger to Paqkistan.

Taliban is a philosophy, rather than a set of physical attributes..meaningby, those that follow a philosophy and ideology are hard to be dismantled, whereas those possessing mere physical resemblence will be uprooted and exposed, provided we remove the causes of their discontent or provide an anti-feeling much stronger than their resentment of the present system.
There can be a number of ways to this:

a) presence of some external threat to the country must in every instance unite the citizens. Those that still fight inhouse will be hated and exposed. There are external threats present at all times, it is the duty of the governement to magnify them, in these circumstances.

b) Bringing clarity and transparency in all this issue of 'Operations in Tribal Belt and elsewhere'. I donot see much clarity and flow of information to the general public. It is the Public that is confused regarding whos good and whos not, which is causing alot of trouble. A confused pro-islamic mind donot have any objection in providing shelter to a rogue/bandit possessing physical attributes of a 'jihadi'. Therefore, grand National consensus on this issue at least is required. Mega open debates should be held..People/representatives of the provinces provided with 'list of problems' and 'solutions be sought' from them, on camera..We are too zealous when it comes to arranging marathons, but no urgency is visible in solution of this cancerous issue of terrorism.

The Ideologistic talibans know the importance of pakistan and they do off and on fight the forces but only in self defense..whereas the resemblence bearing talibans are the 'sold-out' ones..they are the fools of biggest order, fooling themselves even and putting the security of pakistan at stake.

If no concrete measures are taken now, the dreadful 'march of taliban' may be just around the corner.

Sadly there are many EDUCATED Taliban sympathizers...this imported facist religious dogma isnt restricted to refugee camp, disgruntle Afghans anymore.
Its a time of realization, we are at the cross roads, we cannot let this cancer spread anymore, we have to get rid of this wahhabi extreme thinking and these bastards if we are to survive as a nation. If that means a war, so be it.Its not like we are living in peace anyway!! Yea we might lose 1 bn USD oil subsidy but atleast we will be safe.
We do have to consider a few things...there should bea NATIONAL concensus before this, otherwise old race/ethnic issues will rise.

Down with these self destructive, ignorant bastards, kill them all. Cleanse Pakistan of this cancer.

I think we already waited too long to act. We will feel the pinch for decades to come...
If we are able to successfully kill majority of these militants in Fata, swat a waziristan, their sympathizers will still remain and launch cowardly suicide bombings throughout the country. Terrorists wont have a safe heaven to survive,train and multiply in but there will still be voilence,Its a prize we will have to pay because we were stupid and didnt act when we shud have, or had some pipe dreams that we can control Afghanistan again by using these ppl...after 6 yrs of failed peace deals,ti should be apparent that these ppl cannot be trusted.They will use every second of peace to multiply and scheme against us.

Start with a blockade and a siege, escort the civilians out, with understanding of the local tribal allies. All who remain are enemy and should be dealt as such. We cannot let this carry on any longer.

And all groups, organization who get funding and are spewing such hateful ideologies should be banned and have their heads arrested/hanged. I accepted different opinions of these extremist ppl, i thought we shud give them breathing space because they are muslims but no more, they have proven that no matter how much love we show, they will always bite. They think they are somehow superior, have God given right to kill anyone for their cause and can bully a nation into submission...Well you know what, ##### u too...

Taliban-e-Pakistan? Dude thats just propaganda, these groups are connected, they cross the border all the time, its no secret. These ppl are using the lawless regions in Pakistna to scheme.
I DONT LIKE U.S. WAR ON TERROR, But what is the price Pakistan is prepared to pay?Why do we have to be the testing ground for all conflicts? Talk to any Afghan abroad and they lay the blame of all thats wrong with Afghanistan at our feet(very convenient), More ppl are dying in Pakistan right now then in Afghanistan, then WHY THE FOCK DO I CARE abt whats happening their, how many other MUSLIM BROTHERLY countries have openly voiced support for the Taliban?opposed U.S. involvement, allowed their lands to be used to train fighters in Afghanistan?NONE. This is just propaganda used to pump up the jahil masses. These ppl are such idiots, they call themselves muslims but are such liar that they even spread idiotic rumours abt polio vaccination. They know have radio channels and broadcast utter bullshit in those areas, trying to undermine the govt. and the army . They even have newspapers out of Peshawar. I know this friend from Swat and he gives me a compeletly different version of things , coming from these sources.
We lost Bengladesh because of infighting, but also because one group refused to accept the rightful demands of another. In this case, it serves Pakistan NO purpose to be helping Taliban, it serves us no purpose to be gettign involved in anything. Afghanistan is embroiled in war right now, how does it helps us if this war spills over into Pakistan and if U.S. wants to voilate our airspace to take action. It wont affect them one bit but it will further polarize our population.

War on terror will not stop anytime soon, they are here to stay in Afghanistan and their stay has nothing to do with terrorism, they just want to circle Ruskies and Chinese. Look at the polish missle deal. So whatever fantacies Taliban have, we should not share any of that.

yaar Faisal, u think alot nowadays, take a break man.Taliban will never get that strong inshALLAH.

suppose one day MQM get hold of entire Pakistan then ????


Whats yout take on it.

I wouldn't know to be honest...they'd probably face heavy resentment and violence in most places except maybe Karachi...but then Shehz said that MQM was gaining seats in interior Sindh and perhaps might spread out to other provinces. What they did for Karachi cannot be disputed IMO...but them coming Pakistan might lead it to a Turkish-like path in terms of development...great, but still lacking.

Although the question is not for me, and also I have nothing to do with MQM, PPP, PML, or for that matter any political party.

Even if you argue, that ground realities are different, one can not but admire the dicipiline, spirit and energy of MQM party and workers.

The role MQM played during the earthquake disaster have certainly won them many admirers, and what they have done to Karachi, if they can do to the rest

of Pakistan, then so be it. I have yet to see an MQM leader or worker with a flashy car, let alone the razmataz. In any case the latest news I heard is that

the government may ask MQM to join hands.

Auntie,

This topic has nothing to do with MQM. Thanks.

Jana:

MQM are rascals and street gangsters, but to compare them with Taliban who are majority terrorists and would like to shove down their ideology into every Pakistani are two different entities.

If the MQM took over Pakistan they would probably improve it manifold like they did Karachi. Comparing MQM to the Taliban is ridiculous.

I dont know about you guys but I'd rather prefer MQM extorting money from me than Taliban shoving down their will on me.

Uncle i dont know why mentioning MQM had sent you burning.

But this topic has everything to do witn MQM rather this misconception is the baby of terrorist MQM.

Its the terrorist Altaf Hussain who has started staging this drama soon after Musharraf was gone.

This bhangee started shouting loudly that Karachi is being invaded by Taliban (read Pathans) and all the Indians should get weapons to turn Karachi into a blood bath.

MQM has issued about 10 thousands licenses to its terrorist memberds of MQM and thousands of weapons are such which are being provided to them which have no licenses at all.

At least the real Taliban will not ask you to handover your wife or other woman family member to them unlike MQM bhatakhor.


Recently there was an incident where an educated man killed himself along busy roadside when these terrorists after looting him at gunpoint ask him to handover his wife or any of the women that man was accompanied.

Three were his sisters while one was his wife. The man thought by handing over all the money and other items the terrorists will leave them but when they have asked him to handover of the women, he was upset and on risistence, the these bhatakhors abducted his wife in front of many people and he just hit his head against the wall and died on spot.

Jana doesn't like being called Auntie by you.... please refrain from it.

No nephew of hers would be so anti MQM...

but this nalaik nephew is soooooooo pro-MQM :P :P

my mistake, i understood your take on MQM....lol

This thread is about the terrorists Taliban.
Pakistan has been fighting against them, so has NATO.
It's proven they are terrorists.

They took entire Islamabad hostage.
If anyone claims on the contrary, they need to prove it.