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Pakistan receives four F-16 fighter jets


www.chinaview.cn 2008-07-29 00:35:44 Print

ISLAMABAD, July 28 (Xinhua) -- Pakistan on Monday received another batch of four F-16 fighter jets from the United States, marking the completion of a package of U.S. delivery since 2005.

Lieutenant General Martin E. Dempsey, acting commander of the U.S. Central Command, handed over the four F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed at Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Base Mushaf.

Tanvir said that the batch of aircraft will significantly augment its combat capability in defending the aerial frontiers of Pakistan, Geo TV channel quoted.

The handover ceremony also marks the completion of the delivery of 14 F-16 aircraft the United States agreed to provide Pakistan under the Foreign Military Sales program, the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan (APP) said.

The first two F-16s were delivered in December 2005, two more in July 2007, two in February 2008 and four in June 2008, the APP added.

Pakistan received the fighter jets just days after the U.S. government proposed shifting 230 million U.S. dollars from its counter-terrorism aid package to Pakistan to help the country upgrade its aging F-16 fighter jets.

Editor: Yan Liang

YESSS this is really good, pakistan has 14 refurbished f16 planes delivered from usa now, cant wait till they be upgraded and also pakistan need to upgrade the current f16 aswelll. then they be a real fighting force. any ideas when the rest off embargoed planes will be delivered, i think 12 more left. and then after that the f16 block 52 should be delivered.

Some great news there, thanks for sharing.
Now the PAF have 46-48 F-16s (depending on whether the 2 from 2005 were as a goodwill gesture or part of the deal). Now with an extra $230 million to upgrade them further the F-16s should be even more capable.

So have any been sent to TAI for MLU upgradation? If so how many?

are these MLUs ?? any news on amraam shipment to pakistan?

No these are not MlU's they are F-16 A/B Block 15 OCU's which were embargoed. These block 15/OCUs will be sent to Turkey to be upgraded to MLU by TAI.
As for the AMRAAM, JDAM and other munition shipments they will come when the F-16 block 50/52+ come.

Can someone please list the serial names and induction dates of the newly acquired F-16OCU models aircrafts? Starting from the embargo in the early 90's era.

1. USAF Serial Numbers
2. PAF Serial Numbers
3. Dates of Induction

and some other relevant material would be appreciated. Many thanks.

At what price did we get these.......imagine the amount of life lost.......was it really worth it.......!!!!!

www.f-16.net browse this site.it contains all the info u want

all these planes are refurbished and i think that is same as MLU. basically they been cleaned etc. and also these planes are free in a way because they have been payed for back in 1990s, i think pakistan only payed the cost to bring them over etc and i think the cost for MLU cheers

Brother i read few reports that these are the MLU ones, i mean most likely they should be MLU ones cz am sure pakistan would have requested USA to do that unless they wanted used junk. also the current f16 should be given to turkey to do mlu and then after USA will upgrade all of them, yes i knw few pakistan newspaper have said they already been upgraded which is bullshit, they just make things up.

US delivers four F-16s to Pakistan

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: United States Central Command Acting Commander Lt Gen Martin E Dempsey on Monday handed over four F-16 jet aircraft to Pakistan Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed in a ceremony at the Pakistan Air Force Base Mushaf, Sargodha.

With the handing over of the four jets, the delivery of 14 upgraded F-16 aircraft has been completed. Earlier the US had agreed to give Pakistan these aircrafts under the Foreign Military Sales Programme, which was singed in 2005.

The air chief said the Pakistan Air Force would remain vigilant for the defence of the nation by ensuring the highest level of combat readiness.

The US embassy said in a statement that the US government provided the aircraft to Pakistan at no cost except for transportation expenses.

“The four aircraft presented on Monday are valued at approximately $6.4 million each,” it said.

The PAF said the newly delivered aircraft would significantly augment its operational and combat capabilities.



Thursday, July 17, 2008
By Hanif Khalid

ISLAMABAD: Four more F-16 fighter aircraft will join the Pakistan Air Force on July 28, 2008. For this purpose, a ceremony for handing over of the planes to the Pakistan Air Force will be held at the PAF Base Mushaf on Saturday.

The four F-16 planes, which are going to be handed over to Pakistan in the last week of the current month, have been upgraded and modified to the extent that they will perform just like new F-16s.

Last month, the Deputy Chief of Air Staff (Operations), Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, had received four Fighting Falcons from Lt Gen Gary L North, Commander 9th Air Force, and the USAF Central Command while four were received last year. These refurbished F-16s have the same operational capability as of those already possessed by the PAF and will significantly augment its combat capability.

Meanwhile, state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft will be inducted as regular squadron of the Pakistan Air Force by the end of the current year. The small batch production of the JF-17 Thunder multi-role aircraft is in progress both in China and the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Pakistan Air Force is in the process of completing the testing and evaluation of aircraft jointly produced by Pakistan and China. After completion of the evaluation, the new aircraft will be certified by international monitors to become operational in the air forces of the world.

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

I believe England was referring to the deaths of our military and innocent civilians because of our support of USA in its "War OF Terror". OOPS! I meant "War ON Terror".

# USAF FY/N T/V Local S/N PAF Unit Version
1 81-0899 5G-1 82701 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15E
2 81-0900 5G-2 82702 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15E
3 81-0901 5G-3 83703 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15M
4 81-0902 5G-4 84704 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15M
5 81-0903 5G-5 84705 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15N
6 81-0904 5G-6 84706 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15P
7 81-0905 5G-7 84707 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15E
8 81-0906 5G-8 84708 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15P
9 81-0907 5G-9 84709 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15Q
10 81-0908 5G-10 84710 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15Q
11 81-0909 5G-11 84711 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15Q
12 81-0910 5G-12 84712 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15Q
13 81-0911 5G-13 84713 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15Q
14 81-0912 5G-14 84714 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15R
15 81-0913 5G-15 84715 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15R
16 81-0914 5G-16 84716 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15R
17 81-0915 5G-17 84717 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15R
18 81-0916 5G-18 84718 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15R
19 81-0917 5G-19 84719 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15S
20 81-0918 5G-20 85720 14 Squadron F-16A Block 15S
21 81-0919 5G-21 85721 14 Squadron F-16A Block 15S
22 81-0920 5G-22 85722 11 Squadron F-16A Block 15S
23 81-0921 5G-23 85723 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15T
24 81-0922 5G-24 85724 9 Squadron F-16A Block 15T
25 81-0923 5G-25 85725 14 Squadron F-16A Block 15T
26 81-0924 5G-26 85726 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15U
27 81-0925 5G-27 85727 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15U
28 81-0926 5G-28 85728 38 Tactical Wing F-16A Block 15U
29 81-0931 5H-1 82601 11 Squadron F-16B Block 15D
30 81-0932 5H-2 82602 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15D
31 81-0933 5H-3 82603 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15E
32 81-0934 5H-4 82604 11 Squadron F-16B Block 15E
33 81-0935 5H-5 82605 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15M
34 81-0936 5H-6 84606 9 Squadron F-16B Block 15M
35 81-0937 5H-7 84607 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15N
36 81-0938 5H-8 84608 9 Squadron F-16B Block 15N
37 81-1504 5H-9 85609 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15U
38 81-1505 5H-10 85610 9 Squadron F-16B Block 15V
39 81-1506 5H-11 85611 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15V
40 81-1507 5H-12 85612 38 Tactical Wing F-16B Block 15V
41 90-0948 DH-1 90613 ???????????????? F-16B Block 15AM OCU
42 90-0951 DH-4 92616 ???????????????? F-16B Block 15AM OCU
43 92-0405 DG-8 92736 ???????????????? F-16A Block 15AQ OCU
44 92-0406 DG-9 92737 ???????????????? F-16A Block 15AQ OCU
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55

Can someone sort out the missing information. I will really appreciate it and to Mr GreenBeret! I don't mean to offend you but I am really sorry that the rest of the information is not available on the F-16.net

Last but not Least, some reality bites:

Reality>>>>>VS>>>>>F-16.net
90614>>>>>>>>>>>>92614
90617>>>>>>>>>>>>92617
92621>>>>>>>>>>>>92621
90615>>>>>>>>>>>>92615
92619>>>>>>>>>>>>93619

I really don't understand this at all?

Four F-16s join PAF on 28th of July, 2008.

VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbJgmsZsF3g

guyz anybody know about feature used f-16 when deliver us which thats time in hand of US NAVY which if i never wrong are not ready for return us

none taken,was just trying to help u. F-16.net has a forum also. better check there if u can.goodluck

PAF in F-16.net is not updated since long time. So try to find any alternate link.

According to Joris on F-16.net

Source

Peace

when will come the next batch F-16 ?!

Gentlemen, take it with the pinch of reality, these are really the equivelent stuff of what we already have. No upgrades, MLU or anything.

The much talked about $ 230 million is meant to upgrade this whole fleet of F 16s to probably MLU standards. These were probably being used as agressor sqn F 16s for Red Flag exercises.

Saad

Serial production of the JF-17 Thunder will also start in Pakistan soon. In the first phase 40%, in the second 60%, in the third phase 80% and in the last phase 100% JF-17 Thunder warplanes will be built at the Kamra Aeronautical Complex. Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mehmood, is personally supervising the task of inducting new platforms in the PAF.

It'll take years before PAF has received all of the F-16s together with the MLUs. It isn't some overnight job. The F-16 is an uncertain deal though. I'm glad that PAF hasn't considered the purchase of additional number of new F-16s. The measly numbers speak volume. I believe that PAF has been pushing for older, but in good shape airframes which are a hell lot cheaper, quicker to deliver for the US and perfectly serve as a stop gap measure. Also, the fact that Pakistan is vigorously involved in the development of the JF-17 tells us a different story. PAF isn't dependent on the delivery of the F-16s. Priorities have shifted elsewhere. China has all the goodies that it can offer. Whatever capability the US has to offer, China can deliver as well without any strings attached. On top of that, PAF has the freedom of tailoring their needs and requirements for a mixed configuration of weaponry, radar, engine etc. Something that cannot even be considered when acquiring the F-16. China is an emerging power that's rapidly learning, improving, developing and boasting its capabilities which can only be more beneficial for Pakistan.

Although I have my reservations, but even if it's true, still it's the best aircraft in the subcontinent add to that PAF's professionalism and you have a mean fighting machine!

For machine to machine i will vote MKIs superior with better avionics and aerodynamics, remember thrust vectoring....


Saad

Looks impressive when performing aerobatics, If it was effective in dogfights then why the west is not investing into this project? also the Flanker operators are not queing for this system instalation on their machines! The SU-30 also represents a huge radar signature, hence all you need is a good stand-off weapon.

Going stepwise, first part of your question:

West Not Investing Into Flankers
See West has never been into buying Eastern eqpt that too first line fighters. So this arguement does not carry weight that west is not investing in this project. On the other hand Chinese, Indian and Russians are banking on this system. Su 33 the most probable Chinese carrier based aircrafty is infact modified version of Su 30.

Large RCS
Indeed Su 30 has a large radar cross section (RCS) but vis a vis PAF Su 30 MKIs are more than a challenge to Block 15 F 16s. Moreover we currently do not have confirmation of BVRs in current PAF inventory but there is no denying of AA 12/R 77 presence in IAF inventory. So stand off weapons we currently do not have.

Thrust Vectoring
Thrust vectoring allows Su 30MKIs tighter turns smaller radiuses and a better chance of dodging out AAMs.

Only Block 52 with AESA and AIM 120C5 AMRAAMs will give us a competing edge.

Now if anyone wants to say we have BVRs i will like to see his source link on the forum.

Saad

Well fellows there is already another thread here wher this issue has been discuss to death!!

I can't believe it--we get 4 worthless technology items and people can't stop opening multiple threads, just imagine if we would have got one dozen at once I am sure we would have hundreds of threads!!

Agreed! it is just expensive pieces of junk.

Saad

The west has never looked upto eastern technology since American F-16s are available with an affordable and power package. Majority strong nations in europe are part of NATO and in Asia, Pakistan, Turkey, KSA, UAE, Bahrain etc are aquiring american weapons and the remaining nations like India, China and Iran are Pro Russian. And these 3 or 4 nations are only running russian military exports otherwise russia is a 200% looser.

Trouble reading? West not investing into the project.>>>>>I.E, thrust vectoring,
Russia produces the Flanker family, Chinese aircraft don't have this capability and India has but still keen on a Western MRCA???
The last thing you want during a dog-fight is to loose energy and your tailer may overshoot but anyone else out there gets a juicy target at 12 o'clock.
And to all the frivlious characters refering to the F-16s as junk, well the PAF declined the Mirage-2000 back in 90s, had the option to go for the Grippen, inducted the JF-17 with J-10 in the pipeline and all along never gave up the chase for the Fighting falcon, and be it be four or fourteen, the reaction across the border gave it more credit than the wallabies could immagine!

As of now, we donnot have any survival against it. But after going through MLU modification and aquiring AMRAAMs, JHMCs and JDAMs will definately give us superior firepower and capability against the russians and the chinese.

First of all we dont need any AESA to compete with the russian NllP N011M panther radar since the APG-68v9 is always rated more superior in capability.

Secondly a manned aircraft can pull only 9Gs, and missiles pull more then 40Gs so thrust vectoring is not a potent feature. Any how Su-30 can really show their thrust vectoring skills during airshow performances.

Then i think you negate F 22 and Typhhon as Western aircrafts as they both have thrust vectoring. Even the ground based F35s will possess thrust vectoring for STOL, etc.

So west is not investing in thrust vectoring!


MRCA is suppose to be top rated aircraft for filling the numbers with all the best western electronic tech. Remember Russians are also bidding with Fulcrums.


We all know that interim govt cancelled the finalised deal beacuse of financial problems. Moreover French later showed reluctence to give us a fully capable version of Mirage 2000.


We tried going for Gripens but they had American engines. Volvo engines I think so needed US clearence. As USA had imposed an arms embargo on us so we can't get the clearence for them. We kept clinging to F 16s because we had paid for them. Agreements were already signed.

Indians always brag about anything we get.

Saad

Agreed. Thats what I was trying to convey that currently Indian MKI is the better machine.

Saad

Brother Mki has 3D TVC where as F-22 has 2D TVC, only the F-35 VSTOL version uses TVC that too 2D because it definately needs that for lift, EF-2000 better known as Eurofighter doesnt have TVC.

Only interms of Weaponry so to speak Russia provides them with everything and then they can also integrate Israeli Phyton 5 A2A missles equal to the Aim-9X interms of performance where as there is nothing to prove MKI is more capable then F-16 in Air to Air combat.

su 30 mki doesnt have 3d tvc. it has 2d tvc (pitch axis). AL-31FP engines allow for assyemtric tvc or pseudo 3d tvc.
examples of aircraft having 3d tvc (both pitch and yaw axis) is mig35 and su35bm..

SU-30MKI is without any doubt a better aircraft so I don’t wana compare it with F-16 block 15 Besides that both aircrafts are different in size, weight even in their roles.

Hey kid dont force us to waste our time with your immature post.

PISSS OFF!!! Mr DOUBT!!

My advise to you is to go back to basics and differenciate between thrust vector, supercruise and V/STOL , if one was to go with your explanation, then the Harrier is the ultimate thrust-vectoring aircraft, and suffice to say, unlike some country fellows, the Indians also take pride in their own equipment.

can you suppourt your intelligent comment with some logic and fact.

The world knows and understands the logic except you bhindians!!! So no furture comments!

Hey stupid now listen!!!!

You are stating Su-30 better then the current Block 15s. Okay no doubt it is.

But you crap points are very disturbing indeed. If F-15 is bigger in size, havier in weight then the F-16, then what it means that F-15 is not a Multi role fighter like F-16 but as for a matter of fact it is.

I hope you get the point.N If u do then Shut up!!

F16 with amraam is better then MKI...

Especially with AIM-120Cs.

In particular with AIM-120C5s/C7s .... Or Even better with AIM120D

1.F-16MLU/Blk52+ with AIM120C5 + AWACS
2. JF-17 with SD-10 + AWACS

Any MKI entering Pakistan with these on CAP will be in trouble.

This could be an eye opener for you

F-22 aping every move of SU30

Who says thrust vectoring is for performing aerobatics only?

Well, that didn't open my eyes, F-22 Rapptor is indeed a very impressive aircraft with phonemal post stall capability but the focus of discussion concerns
SU-30 vis a vis F-16!!!!!

USA has invested billions to bring the TVC in F22 to the level of Su30's.

TVC will always be an advantage that the Flankers enjoys in any SU-30 vis a vis F-16 engagement.

USA has invested billions to bring the TVC in F22 to the level of Su30's.

Lol .. Billion to bring the TVC in F22 !!! hahaha ... could not stop laughing at your presumption .. what about the plane itself .. maybe Trillions to bring the F22 to be at par with SU30 ! Yeah not better but at par !! hahaha !

Stealth, Super cruise, Sensor Fusion and Super Maneuverability (TVC) are the 4 prime objectives of F22 for which a total of over $250 billion has been spent till date spread across each individual objective. Hence I repeat "USA has invested billions to bring the TVC in F22 to the level of Su30's".

On the other three objectives F22 beats Su30 hands down.