BEIJING (AP) -- Attackers rammed a dump truck into a patrol station in China's restive Central Asian border province Monday morning, tossing grenades in a raid that killed 16 officers and wounded others, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported.
The attack in Xinjiang province was in an area where local Muslims have waged a sporadic rebellion against Chinese rule.
It came just four days before the start of the Beijing Olympics -- an event that at least one radical Muslim group has vowed to attack.
The brief Xinhua account said the attackers drove the dump truck to get inside the paramilitary police compound in the Kashgar area and then exploded two grenades. A state television report gave a different version, saying the police were attacked while marching in front of a hotel while conducting morning drills.
Besides the 16 dead, another 16 armed policemen were wounded, the reports said.
Two of the attackers were arrested, Xinhua reported. It called the attackers ''rioters'' but did not further identify them.
Local government officials declined comment Monday. An officer in the district police department said an investigation was launched.
The exact location of the attack could not immediately be determined. Kashgar, or Kashi in Chinese, is the name of an oasis town that was once a stop on the Silk Road caravan routes and is also the name of the surrounding region that abuts Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan.
A local Turkic Muslim people, the Uighurs (WEE'-gurs), have chafed under Chinese rule, fully imposed after the communists took power nearly 60 years ago. Occasionally violent attacks in the 1990s brought an intense response from Beijing, which has stationed crack paramilitary units in the area and clamped down on unregistered mosques and religious schools that officials said were inciting militant action.
Chinese defense and police commanders have warned that radical Uighurs fighting for what they call an independent East Turkistan in western China pose the single greatest threat to the Olympics.
In recent months police claimed to have foiled a plot to explode a Chinese passenger plane and plans by terrorist cells to kidnap athletes, journalists and others involved in the Olympics.
One militant group, the Turkistan Islamic Party, pledged in a video that surfaced on the Internet last month to ''target the most critical points related to the Olympics.'' The group is believed to be based across the border in Pakistan, with some of its core members having received training from al-Qaida and the Pakistani Taliban, according to terrorism experts.
Terrorism experts and Chinese authorities, however, have said that with more than 100,000 soldiers and police guarding Beijing and other Olympic co-host cities, terrorists were more likely to attack less-protected areas.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-C...amp;oref=slogin
Full Version: China Border Station Raided By 'rioters'
like i said in an earlier post
most of these terrorist attacks in xinjiang dont get reported or even denied especially since its a Olympic yr,
theres alot of unrest in xinjiang nowadays not surprising it neighbours afghanistan (terrorist central)... would expect some spill over sooner or later
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On March 18 2008, a rumor spread quickly through the streets of Urumqi that an Uighur woman had detonated a bomb on a city bus, escaping before its explosion. Officials have denied that account, but in a telephone interview an American resident of Xinjiang’s bustling capital said that he had visited the scene hours after the rumor spread and found what looked like a heavily guarded impromptu construction site, where workers refused to talk and urged him to leave.
“Pretty much everyone you speak to, whether Chinese or Uighur, says a bomb went off,” said the American, who declined to be identified by name. “That same night there were riot police in full gear patrolling the neighborhood, and since then I’ve seen heavy police patrols everywhere, including riot police at the main markets, with tear gas, automatic weapons and armored personnel carriers with gun turrets parked nearby.”
“We’ve been here for three months and it was certainly never been like this before.source
“Pretty much everyone you speak to, whether Chinese or Uighur, says a bomb went off,” said the American, who declined to be identified by name. “That same night there were riot police in full gear patrolling the neighborhood, and since then I’ve seen heavy police patrols everywhere, including riot police at the main markets, with tear gas, automatic weapons and armored personnel carriers with gun turrets parked nearby.”
“We’ve been here for three months and it was certainly never been like this before.source
most of these terrorist attacks in xinjiang dont get reported or even denied especially since its a Olympic yr,
theres alot of unrest in xinjiang nowadays not surprising it neighbours afghanistan (terrorist central)... would expect some spill over sooner or later
Has Chinese Media reported this?
Do a search and you have the answer, idiot.
Are you illiterate or just crackbrained?
Yes, I bet the King of Sweden and the Dalai Lama got the news before the Chinese did.
Do a search and you have the answer, idiot.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 4 2008, 02:26 PM) 
BEIJING (AP) -- Attackers rammed a dump truck into a patrol station in China's restive Central Asian border province Monday morning, tossing grenades in a raid that killed 16 officers and wounded others, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported.
The attack in Xinjiang province was in an area where local Muslims have waged a sporadic rebellion against Chinese rule.
It came just four days before the start of the Beijing Olympics -- an event that at least one radical Muslim group has vowed to attack.
The brief Xinhua account said the attackers drove the dump truck to get inside the paramilitary police compound in the Kashgar area and then exploded two grenades. A state television report gave a different version, saying the police were attacked while marching in front of a hotel while conducting morning drills.
Besides the 16 dead, another 16 armed policemen were wounded, the reports said.
Two of the attackers were arrested, Xinhua reported. It called the attackers ''rioters'' but did not further identify them.
Local government officials declined comment Monday. An officer in the district police department said an investigation was launched.
The exact location of the attack could not immediately be determined. Kashgar, or Kashi in Chinese, is the name of an oasis town that was once a stop on the Silk Road caravan routes and is also the name of the surrounding region that abuts Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan.
A local Turkic Muslim people, the Uighurs (WEE'-gurs), have chafed under Chinese rule, fully imposed after the communists took power nearly 60 years ago. Occasionally violent attacks in the 1990s brought an intense response from Beijing, which has stationed crack paramilitary units in the area and clamped down on unregistered mosques and religious schools that officials said were inciting militant action.
Chinese defense and police commanders have warned that radical Uighurs fighting for what they call an independent East Turkistan in western China pose the single greatest threat to the Olympics.
In recent months police claimed to have foiled a plot to explode a Chinese passenger plane and plans by terrorist cells to kidnap athletes, journalists and others involved in the Olympics.
One militant group, the Turkistan Islamic Party, pledged in a video that surfaced on the Internet last month to ''target the most critical points related to the Olympics.'' The group is believed to be based across the border in Pakistan, with some of its core members having received training from al-Qaida and the Pakistani Taliban, according to terrorism experts.
Terrorism experts and Chinese authorities, however, have said that with more than 100,000 soldiers and police guarding Beijing and other Olympic co-host cities, terrorists were more likely to attack less-protected areas.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-C...amp;oref=slogin
The attack in Xinjiang province was in an area where local Muslims have waged a sporadic rebellion against Chinese rule.
It came just four days before the start of the Beijing Olympics -- an event that at least one radical Muslim group has vowed to attack.
The brief Xinhua account said the attackers drove the dump truck to get inside the paramilitary police compound in the Kashgar area and then exploded two grenades. A state television report gave a different version, saying the police were attacked while marching in front of a hotel while conducting morning drills.
Besides the 16 dead, another 16 armed policemen were wounded, the reports said.
Two of the attackers were arrested, Xinhua reported. It called the attackers ''rioters'' but did not further identify them.
Local government officials declined comment Monday. An officer in the district police department said an investigation was launched.
The exact location of the attack could not immediately be determined. Kashgar, or Kashi in Chinese, is the name of an oasis town that was once a stop on the Silk Road caravan routes and is also the name of the surrounding region that abuts Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan.
A local Turkic Muslim people, the Uighurs (WEE'-gurs), have chafed under Chinese rule, fully imposed after the communists took power nearly 60 years ago. Occasionally violent attacks in the 1990s brought an intense response from Beijing, which has stationed crack paramilitary units in the area and clamped down on unregistered mosques and religious schools that officials said were inciting militant action.
Chinese defense and police commanders have warned that radical Uighurs fighting for what they call an independent East Turkistan in western China pose the single greatest threat to the Olympics.
In recent months police claimed to have foiled a plot to explode a Chinese passenger plane and plans by terrorist cells to kidnap athletes, journalists and others involved in the Olympics.
One militant group, the Turkistan Islamic Party, pledged in a video that surfaced on the Internet last month to ''target the most critical points related to the Olympics.'' The group is believed to be based across the border in Pakistan, with some of its core members having received training from al-Qaida and the Pakistani Taliban, according to terrorism experts.
Terrorism experts and Chinese authorities, however, have said that with more than 100,000 soldiers and police guarding Beijing and other Olympic co-host cities, terrorists were more likely to attack less-protected areas.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-C...amp;oref=slogin
Are you illiterate or just crackbrained?
Yes, I bet the King of Sweden and the Dalai Lama got the news before the Chinese did.
URUMQI -- The raid on a border armed police division, which killed 16 policemen and injured 16 others, in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Monday morning, was suspected as a terrorist attack, according to police.
The public security department in Xinjiang confirmed that the raid occurred in the front of the Yijin Hotel, which is at the right side of the police division yard in China's western most city of Kashi, 1,400 km southwest of Xinjiang's capital Urumqi.
Two attackers drove a tip lorry to hit a team of policemen who were jogging through the street in a morning exercise at about 8:00 a.m., police witnesses said.
Fourteen policemen were killed on the spot and two others died on the way to hospital.
The two attackers got off the lorry after the vehicle veered to hit a roadside wire pole. They threw home-made explosives to the barracks, causing explosion. They also hacked the policemen with knives.
The police said the two attackers had been arrested, and one got a leg injury in the raid.
Police found debris of five explosives in the division yard.
The regional public security department said it had got intelligence that the "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" planned to make terrorist attacks during Aug. 1-8, just ahead of the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing.
Chinese police foiled an attempted sabotage instigated and conducted by the "Eastern Turkistan" separatists on board a Southern Airlines flight in March. Three suspects detained by police fully admitted that the attack was masterminded.
The "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" was one of the main security worries to the Olympics, which also include separatist forces for "Tibet independence", and the Falun Gong cult, according to Tian Yixiang, a senior PLA commander and also a security chief for the Games.
Kurexi Maihesuti, vice chairman of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Government, told a press conference in Beijing last week that Xinjiang police had cracked five terrorism groups in the first half of 2008, detaining 82 suspected terrorists who allegedly plotted sabotage against the Olympics.
The Olympic Games would be a target for various anti-China and hostile forces, which are trying every possible way to sabotage the event, Vice Minister of Public Security Yang Huanning said last month.source
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according to china daily they use a truck to run over 16 soldiers while they where jogging... such a cheap attack
The public security department in Xinjiang confirmed that the raid occurred in the front of the Yijin Hotel, which is at the right side of the police division yard in China's western most city of Kashi, 1,400 km southwest of Xinjiang's capital Urumqi.
Two attackers drove a tip lorry to hit a team of policemen who were jogging through the street in a morning exercise at about 8:00 a.m., police witnesses said.
Fourteen policemen were killed on the spot and two others died on the way to hospital.
The two attackers got off the lorry after the vehicle veered to hit a roadside wire pole. They threw home-made explosives to the barracks, causing explosion. They also hacked the policemen with knives.
The police said the two attackers had been arrested, and one got a leg injury in the raid.
Police found debris of five explosives in the division yard.
The regional public security department said it had got intelligence that the "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" planned to make terrorist attacks during Aug. 1-8, just ahead of the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing.
Chinese police foiled an attempted sabotage instigated and conducted by the "Eastern Turkistan" separatists on board a Southern Airlines flight in March. Three suspects detained by police fully admitted that the attack was masterminded.
The "East Turkistan Islamic Movement" was one of the main security worries to the Olympics, which also include separatist forces for "Tibet independence", and the Falun Gong cult, according to Tian Yixiang, a senior PLA commander and also a security chief for the Games.
Kurexi Maihesuti, vice chairman of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Government, told a press conference in Beijing last week that Xinjiang police had cracked five terrorism groups in the first half of 2008, detaining 82 suspected terrorists who allegedly plotted sabotage against the Olympics.
The Olympic Games would be a target for various anti-China and hostile forces, which are trying every possible way to sabotage the event, Vice Minister of Public Security Yang Huanning said last month.source
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according to china daily they use a truck to run over 16 soldiers while they where jogging... such a cheap attack
China definitely needs to crack down harshly on the terrorists.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 4 2008, 12:29 PM)
China definitely needs to crack down harshly on the terrorists.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
BRAVO!!!!
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 4 2008, 01:29 PM)
China definitely needs to crack down harshly on the terrorists.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
This is completely bullshit. Uyghurs already enjoyed the most right amongst any group in China. They can choose to attend religious schools instead of public ones. They don't pay income tax, have lower university entrance score, affected by one-child-policy and have access to free healthcare. Most importantly, over half the jobs in the local government is reserved for them. No other group in China enjoy such a luxury.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
QUOTE(OP1 @ Aug 4 2008, 12:46 PM)
This is completely bullshit. Uyghurs already enjoyed the most right amongst any group in China. They can choose to attend religious schools instead of public ones. They don't pay income tax, have lower university entrance score, affected by one-child-policy and have access to free healthcare. Most importantly, over half the jobs in the local government is reserved for them. No other group in China enjoy such a luxury.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
That's true on one side. But there is also the other side. Uyghurs get discriminated against in the private industry owned by Hans. Many of them do not get work in the oil industry and are not the ones in charge. They also cannot freely express their opinions, they cannot freely express their ethnic identity if it does not agree with the government line. Also many Hans are moving into Xinjiang so they feel threatened.
Anyways, I think the Western media is really biased too because they do not cover China's positive development for the Uighur regions, but the Chinese view is also biased. The truth is in between.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:33 AM)
BRAVO!!!!
SHUT UP. I don't agree with your China bashing and hypocritical views in the least. Don't take me for your ally. If anything, I am your enemy.
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 4 2008, 02:32 PM)
SHUT UP. I don't agree with your China bashing and hypocritical views in the least. Don't take me for your ally. If anything, I am your enemy.
Chinese people are really friendly!
They are so clever. And they are so happy to arrange the Olympic games. Just like the Germans in 1936.
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 5 2008, 04:29 AM)
That's true on one side. But there is also the other side. Uyghurs get discriminated against in the private industry owned by Hans. Many of them do not get work in the oil industry and are not the ones in charge. They also cannot freely express their opinions, they cannot freely express their ethnic identity if it does not agree with the government line. Also many Hans are moving into Xinjiang so they feel threatened.
Anyways, I think the Western media is really biased too because they do not cover China's positive development for the Uighur regions, but the Chinese view is also biased. The truth is in between.
Anyways, I think the Western media is really biased too because they do not cover China's positive development for the Uighur regions, but the Chinese view is also biased. The truth is in between.
if a minority group is encouraged or even rewarded to maintain its identity, it will never want to mix with the rest of the country and the distinction will always be a fault line between the minority group and the rest of the country, and the minority issue will never disappear.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 4 2008, 02:07 PM)
Chinese people are really friendly!
They are so clever. And they are so happy to arrange the Olympic games. Just like the Germans in 1936.
They are so clever. And they are so happy to arrange the Olympic games. Just like the Germans in 1936.
###### YOU. GO TO HELL. IF I EVER SEE YOU IN PERSON, ID KICK YOUR SWEDISH ASS.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 4 2008, 04:07 PM)
Chinese people are really friendly!
They are so clever. And they are so happy to arrange the Olympic games. Just like the Germans in 1936.
They are so clever. And they are so happy to arrange the Olympic games. Just like the Germans in 1936.
Last time I checked, Sweden was right there taking it up the ass with their Nazi collaboration. Finished group circle jerk from Mein Kampf reading club? If so, take your troll threads somewhere else.
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 4 2008, 03:42 PM)
###### YOU. GO TO HELL. IF I EVER SEE YOU IN PERSON, ID KICK YOUR SWEDISH ASS.
I advise you not to do that. At least not in Sweden. It might give you some years in prison for maltreatment.
As for Hell - very interesting. I had the impression you were not religious. Are you a Muslim?
Anyway I don´t think anyone would go to hell voluntarily. At least I would not.
QUOTE(OP1 @ Aug 5 2008, 07:46 AM)
This is completely bullshit. Uyghurs already enjoyed the most right amongst any group in China. They can choose to attend religious schools instead of public ones. They don't pay income tax, have lower university entrance score, affected by one-child-policy and have access to free healthcare. Most importantly, over half the jobs in the local government is reserved for them. No other group in China enjoy such a luxury.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
I choose to differ, (but before you reply me back let me clarify something, I am no enemy of China, I wish well for China and its people, they don’t do any bad to me and I have no ill feeling either).
This is only a matter of debt and so I put my thoughts from what I have read through other sources online, and I may be wrong, so correct my understanding.
1) Muslims in at region can’t choose there own Imam “Imam is the person who preaches the religion and lead the prayers etc”. (his appointed by government of China). Why? Isn’t the people of that faith should have right to choose there religious leader?
2) Muslims pray 5 times a day and before every prayer there is Azan “Azan is call for prayer, generally they use loud speaker for people to let know pray is about to begin. Now why is Azan banned? They can use loud speakers? Why?
3) This is the worst one, Muslim children age 18 and under can’t attend mosque for prayers!!.
I found this unacceptable, I am not sure how much this is really true but there are number of sources on internet and on various forums, there should be some truth to this. If this kind of suppression takes place, people will oppose, isn’t it.
QUOTE(OP1 @ Aug 4 2008, 03:46 PM)
This is completely bullshit. Uyghurs already enjoyed the most right amongst any group in China. They can choose to attend religious schools instead of public ones. They don't pay income tax, have lower university entrance score, affected by one-child-policy and have access to free healthcare. Most importantly, over half the jobs in the local government is reserved for them. No other group in China enjoy such a luxury.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
I would say many Uyghurs are spoiled rotten. It's time to take away their special rights over everyone else in China. Only those that are loyal to the state deserve their rights as citizens, not seperatists. Your attitude is one of blind apeasement.
Yeah, this doesn't work in the US. After reading a pamphlet from the Libertarian party, I've learned government welfare = evilness. Uyghurs just want to live without getting bothered. They're libertarian at heart. So let them do what they feel like and leave them be.
Anyway, hizzah! Glory to secession!
We observe silence for the sacrifice of soldiers
However,I think I find two China's enemy.
If you are a friend of China, you should be a moment of silence for the sacrifice of soldiers,and not to criticize China. Xinjiang is China's affairs, please do not make improper comments or saying that these irresponsible remarks.
QUOTE(obtuse_edge @ Aug 5 2008, 02:29 AM)
China definitely needs to crack down harshly on the terrorists.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
BUT it also needs to change some of its stupid policies in Xinjiang. It needs to allow more freedom of speech, less control of religious activites and also make sure that the locals enjoy more economic opportunities.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 5 2008, 02:33 AM)
BRAVO!!!!
However,I think I find two China's enemy.
If you are a friend of China, you should be a moment of silence for the sacrifice of soldiers,and not to criticize China. Xinjiang is China's affairs, please do not make improper comments or saying that these irresponsible remarks.
QUOTE(Jag @ Aug 4 2008, 08:36 PM)
I choose to differ, (but before you reply me back let me clarify something, I am no enemy of China, I wish well for China and its people, they don’t do any bad to me and I have no ill feeling either).
This is only a matter of debt and so I put my thoughts from what I have read through other sources online, and I may be wrong, so correct my understanding.
1) Muslims in at region can’t choose there own Imam “Imam is the person who preaches the religion and lead the prayers etc”. (his appointed by government of China). Why? Isn’t the people of that faith should have right to choose there religious leader?
2) Muslims pray 5 times a day and before every prayer there is Azan “Azan is call for prayer, generally they use loud speaker for people to let know pray is about to begin. Now why is Azan banned? They can use loud speakers? Why?
3) This is the worst one, Muslim children age 18 and under can’t attend mosque for prayers!!.
I found this unacceptable, I am not sure how much this is really true but there are number of sources on internet and on various forums, there should be some truth to this. If this kind of suppression takes place, people will oppose, isn’t it.
This is only a matter of debt and so I put my thoughts from what I have read through other sources online, and I may be wrong, so correct my understanding.
1) Muslims in at region can’t choose there own Imam “Imam is the person who preaches the religion and lead the prayers etc”. (his appointed by government of China). Why? Isn’t the people of that faith should have right to choose there religious leader?
2) Muslims pray 5 times a day and before every prayer there is Azan “Azan is call for prayer, generally they use loud speaker for people to let know pray is about to begin. Now why is Azan banned? They can use loud speakers? Why?
3) This is the worst one, Muslim children age 18 and under can’t attend mosque for prayers!!.
I found this unacceptable, I am not sure how much this is really true but there are number of sources on internet and on various forums, there should be some truth to this. If this kind of suppression takes place, people will oppose, isn’t it.
1. Refrain yourself from referring to "Muslims in China", since there are two groups. The Hui is free to choose their own Imams while Uyghurs are more tightly controlled. You have to ask youself, why is one group getting more freedom than the other? Maybe if one group didn't bomb schools, buses and kill policemen they might get a little more rights?
2. There are other ethnic groups in China as well. We can't have loud speakers going off just for the Muslims. It's terribly unfair to others when one religious group gets special treatment and the rest have to put up with it.
3. I find it perfectly appropriate to ban preaching of any religion to children under the age of 18. Children should not be indoctrinated by religion from childhood. Instead they should be given their own choice once they reach adulthood.
You need to keep in mind that China is an atheist state with a high degree of secularism. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, which means you do as the law says. Simply because you are a Muslim doesn't give you to the right to disregard laws and engage in terrorism.
毫无疑问,你是中国人民的敌人!
yuebaili3 , Without a doubt, you are Chinese people's enemy !!
yuebaili3 , Without a doubt, you are Chinese people's enemy !!
QUOTE(OP1 @ Aug 5 2008, 02:01 AM)
3. I find it perfectly appropriate to ban preaching of any religion to children under the age of 18. Children should not be indoctrinated by religion from childhood. Instead they should be given their own choice once they reach adulthood.
You need to keep in mind that China is an atheist state with a high degree of secularism. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, which means you do as the law says. Simply because you are a Muslim doesn't give you to the right to disregard laws and engage in terrorism.
You need to keep in mind that China is an atheist state with a high degree of secularism. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, which means you do as the law says. Simply because you are a Muslim doesn't give you to the right to disregard laws and engage in terrorism.
Do you really mean parents should not be allowed to bring up their kids according to their faith? I used to go to church with my parents when i was a kid. It is not forbidden in Sweden. Do you really think it should be? My parents would never have accepted that. And of course a true Muslim does not accept that he cannot educate his kids to become good Muslims.
As for Hui people, I believe lots of them are not Muslim believers. Most of them have probably not even read the Quran. But all of them have to some degree suffered from CCP brainwash.
QUOTE(yuebaili3 @ Aug 5 2008, 03:53 AM)
Do you really mean parents should not be allowed to bring up their kids according to their faith? I used to go to church with my parents when i was a kid. It is not forbidden in Sweden. Do you really think it should be? My parents would never have accepted that. And of course a true Muslim does not accept that he cannot educate his kids to become good Muslims.
As for Hui people, I believe lots of them are not Muslim believers. Most of them have probably not even read the Quran. But all of them have to some degree suffered from CCP brainwash.
As for Hui people, I believe lots of them are not Muslim believers. Most of them have probably not even read the Quran. But all of them have to some degree suffered from CCP brainwash.
Religious indoctrination to children who cannot form their opinion or think critically is simply wrong. Judging from the amount of bullshit you spill, your parents are probably not very smart anyways. You know nothing of the Hui. They are far more Islamic than the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. Many Uyghurs eat pork, drink heavily and have arguably the most open attitude to sex in China. On the contrary, Hui is far more conservative, while being less radical.
Your stupidity knows no bounds, even your troll attempts are miserable failures. Only the most brainwashed fools claim "..... is brainwashed".
QUOTE
yuebaili3
You r Chinese enemy. F..K to your mum.
Its time to speed up huge migration of Han all over Xinjang. like the Han Wu Ti emperor did. Kick out the half -cooked Turks. (May the real Turks of Turkey will look down on them as in North IRAQ Turks being bombed by their own mother Turkey. Enjoy the bombing. GREAT.
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