Though got the f-16 from US,but no any sake to decrease the number of jf-17 and go on development.PAF have many F-7s and A-5,must out of commission by step down.i think PAF should form of two kind of fighter ,it is F-16 and JF-17.

now,the guide ability of the jf-17 is no perfect,but it is likeli.use the leaseer guide bomb,the gps guide bomb,and anti radar bomb,ect,is perfect by step dowen.
the combat radar of jf-17 has haven the ability of guide the aa missile attack two aimes at one time.it is so import ability in moden conbat.it meas when befall the aim,and can not deffrentiant it number,jf-17 can gaze at the aim,if aim suddenly become into two aimes or more aimes,jf-17 can attack in effect yet

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I presume, you think that Pakistan is decreasing the number of JF-17s it wants to induct, due to the F-16s its getting. Let me assure you that is not the case, in fact, Pakistan has increased requirement for JF-17 from 150 to ~250.

Plus, welcom to the forum brother.

Your question is that PAF should opt JF-17 and F-16s in large numbers so that they both can be made the work horses of PAF? isnt it.

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there is apoint of view in Chinese:useing the equipment of US ,always be limited when the clush breaking.so must get rid the limiting of US.

now ,the jf-17's combat radar has got more progress,above all the capability of detect the surface aimes,and the anti jamming.so the f-16 early stage type has no any advantage

stocking the f-16 is the accomplished fact ,ichanging it is impossible.but the being limited will be fact yet.so ,f-16 and jf-17 coexisting will be best project

I agree with what you say my Chinese brother but PAF will also be purchasing the new modified J-10 which is said to be better in performance to the current J-10A/B in service with the PLAAF.

The fighter is only as good as the pilot flying them.

I hope we train our pilots llike never before on the F16, JF17 and J10 Sqaudrons.

The problem is not with the jet, the problem lies with the supplier. Yes, the United States of America. We still fear the pressler ammendment. And some people in US government are still waiting for another pressler ammendment. Other wise who needs J-10 when you have F-16 Block 52s

For now, JF-17 and F-16s will work togather in PAF, but the way the relations between Pakistan and US is changing, the future of Pakistan Airforce lies with Chinese aircraft. JF-17 is going to be the backbone of PAF, plus as Best of the Best said, Pakistan has also ordered J-10s, which will, in my opinion, replace F-16s in the long run.

The PAF will be banking on the JF-17 and J-10B (upgraded/modified J-10) for its general requirements in the future, but I think F-16s will still be acquired if possible - especially the Block-52+ models. The F-16 series is time tested and reliable, the commercial success of the fighter also makes it less daunting to operate under sanctions as compared to its contemporaries. So long as the PAF continues to get relatively attractive deals such as AIM-120C5, JHMCS and perhaps RACR or SABR AESA, I expect them to seek out C/Ds until its retirement. Wait for mid to late 2009 as PAF is expected to drop or pursue the option for 18 Block-52+...then around 2009-2010 the PAF should decide whether to order a final 18~36 Block-52+ & whether it can secure the last 14 F-16A/Bs.

Ultimately I see the F-16s playing a generally similar role as the present Mirages as a flexible middle line...i.e. to support JF-17s in border-wars or critical response situations as well as assist J-10B in planned operations.

I beg to differ. We need the J-10 even if we get our hands on the F-16 Block 52+. It's widely known that the J-10 is at the very least on par if not exceeding the F-16 Block 52+ in almost every aspect.

the al31n jet will be supported by ws-10a.China have get the information of rd-93 jet ,and copying it.but ,the problem is many design department refuse the help of some russia,so that had to cost much times

actually the f-16 block 52's technology advantage is still lessened. along with the advance radar technology was break through,the many functiones of the an/apg68 radar was carried out in the jf-17 air comba radar

It's a hurdle for China, but then building engines isn't easy. After they've managed to roll out first engine engine things will be different. China has been learning a lot over the past decade.

the Chinese research system is best of all issue.but the ws-10 have used by some j11

Maybe J-10 is superior to F-16 Block 52 in performance. But till now chinese are not able to make a superior EW suit for J-10. where as all the other equipment like JHMCS, AIM-120Cs, AIM-9Ms, Sniper XR pods, JDAMs, APG-68v9s are as for now superior to any chinese or russian counterpart. Thus F-16 Block 52s will be the best in the region unless IAF goes for Typhoons, Super Hornets or F-16INs.

my exprence is that process the radar signal is difficuit ,but it is easy too once you have got exprence,then remaining is how to use the fruit of the process the radar signal ,and make more application by programe ,take your radar have more functiones as many as an/apg69v9
now ,china is the phase

Brother, that's exactly why PAF is opting for a mix of Western/Chinese radar and weaponry suite for the Thunders. Don't you think they'll be doing the same for the J-10s? Don't you think that'll make the J-10s even more potent? We should have some faith in our Chinese counterparts. I'm positive that the Chinese will produce up to standard quality in the coming decades. There's no question about it. Let me be frank about one thing. PAF cannot compete with IAF. IAF is being offered the best. Also, cash isn't much of an issue for them. However, PAF has a very sane and balanced strategy to counter IAFs expensive and quality purchases. As we all know, PAF is going BVR on a massive scale. Also, as mentioned earlier on, PAF is opting for different Western weaponry and radars. That in itself is a huge step forward and enough headache for IAF to deal with. Irrespective of whether IAF has an edge or not. The IAF will now have to face a different and much more capable adversary as before. Add on top of that indigenous weaponry such as Ra'ad and Babur and you should know what I'm talking about. PAF is very capable as far as weaponry goes.

You are right, but dont you think if we had ordered 50+ Block 52s then the PAFs point of view towards J-10 would be different. Like i dont think that PAF would have looked upon J-10 incase we had hundreds of F-16s especially if US was our TRUE ALLY. Just because we had a true piece of an advanced fighter. But the story is different here, china is our true ally and thus we are going towards china's best offered J-10 no matter how inferior it is currently to the F-16 Block 52.

As for India, yes their pockets are filled with money but lets see what they opt. If they go towards Typhoon or Super Hornet then thats a problem but if they go for russia then i guess our Block 52s will be really useful.

From what i am hearing the new J-10 is a equal counter part to the Rafale or the EF-2000 in terms of its performance in A2A Chin i going to put its best in tht machine and would want it to be very effective if the aircraft is so capable then you can imagine how PAF always fine tunes its aircraft add to this the best the french have to offer and J-10 in PAF inventory would become superiour to the F-16Block52+ in almost every field including the weapons and targeting pods, avionics and even an AESA radar so lets not jump the gun before we say which is better then the other let both the machines come into the PAF inventory then we decide on that.

Well the question remains about WILL and future but as for next 5 years vipers are among the best in the region. And even we are not sure about the chinese weather they allow PAF to modify J-10s since J-10 is soughted as the success of Chinese in militart aviation.

Lol the Question also remains Vipers would be best, IF the americans deliver them, so lets not go into that.

Lol yeah the question about their delivery is the biggest one.

it has arrived the high-point of the f-16 function if it does not equit with phased array radar.any impronie on the now function about the radar will be narrowed,and less effect , and is difficuit to affecting combat