Asalam o Alikum

Dear All,

We're Certainly getting sick of Hearing all kind of Barks by The Thugs Called ''Goverment'' now a days. They in their every speech Bark that Pakistanis want Musharraf to go, Which is a Total Absured. If we want someone to be Off , that Certainly is this bunch of Thugs sitting on goverment desks. Please Cast your Votes for President Musharraf to stay and pass this thread onto All other Pakistani forums. I'ld be Graetful to All of you. Thanks.

Fasih Ali Khan

President Musharraf Zindabaad

Pakistan Paindabaad

Please Show your Support by Words and Votes. Jazzak um Allah Kher.

I can trust him, once he decides to defend himself. I don't know he is with us or against us.

A poll shown on Dawn News and ARY One shows more than 70% of Pakistanis are against impeaching Musharraf. Can someone please post that link if anyone can find it? I tried but I couldn't find it.

Superb Mashallah .......... When did you hear this ?

Dude, I can't find the one for Dawn News. If someone can find it, please feel free to post the link. Here's the link for other sources:

74% of viewers oppose Musharraf’s impeachment

LAHORE: An opinion poll conducted by a private TV channel, Dawn News, showed that an overwhelming majority of its viewers did not support President Pervez Musharraf’s impeachment, Dawn News reported on Monday. In a survey conducted between August 8 and 11, the channel asked its viewers whether Musharraf should be impeached or not. Of the 1,606 replies received, 1,192 (74 percent) respondents said that the president should not be impeached while 26 percent supported his impeachment.

Source: Daily Times

ARY One is also conducting a Quick poll. The results so far are:

Should President Pervez Musharraf be impeached?

Yes -- 34.79% Votes.

No -- 64.95% Votes.

Do not know -- 0.27% Votes.

Source: ARY One

Go ahead and cast your vote there. The link is over to left column of the page.

Think you guys are dreaming...

The entire country is against Moshe... He got 4 votes in the NWFP assembly out of 124... 13 didnt cast their votes... 107 wanted him out...

In Punjab, 321 voted against him; 24 voted for him out of a total of 369...

If thats not overwhelming opposition; i dont know what is...

yea! i saw that too!

This is a completely unscientific pole.... its sample set is non random and it is based on the input of only one demographic (watchers of DAWN NEWS ....guess how many of Pakistan's 160 million they represent) .. same with PDF poles .... for a REAL pole, check out the very comprehensive, representative and scientific poles done by IRI over the last 1 year,

http://www.iri.org/mena/pakistan/pdfs/2008...-15,%202008.pdf

The results of this survey have been backed by similar poles done by Gallup Pakistan which is another good marketing research company.

Pro-Musharraf people are so strange.

If the poll conducted by DAWN and ARY had shown the opposite results, there would have been uproar of a "biased media."

As someone said, it is hardly a fair representation. Same as the poll being conducted on PDF.

Should President Pervez Musharraf be impeached? ary



Yes
35.31% Votes

No
64.42% Votes

Do not know
0.26% Votes

Anti Musharraf people are so strange

They accuse Musharraf of being a stooge of America but then they cheers a biased poll conducted by International Republican Institute (which is funded directly from the US government)

http://www.iri.org/faq.asp

Where does IRI get its funding?
The International Republican Institute (IRI) is a 501 ©(3) and does not receive any money from the Republican Party. IRI is funded by U.S. tax dollars. The funding comes primarily from the U.S. Agency for International Development, the U.S. State Department, and the National Endowment for Democracy. IRI also receives grants and donations from individuals, corporations and foundations. Donations to IRI are tax deductible

In related matter, a gallop survey on ARY this morning revealed that 90% people are completely dissatisfied with present government's performance and are of the opinion that the impeachment process is staged to cover their own poor performance and discrepencies where as only 10% approved the government's policies and deliverence!

I dont know where you get your info Sunny but I dont see any such survey on the website of Gallup Pakistan. In-fact, I saw this,

http://www.gallup.com.pk/Gilani/TimeOverto..._%20By%20Dr.pdf

1) Musharraf is a stooge of America.

2) I have never cheered any poll.

3) You directly contradict yourself: "funded directly from the US government" and "IRI is funded by U.S. tax dollars. The funding comes primarily from the U.S. Agency for International Development, the U.S. State Department, and the National Endowment for Democracy. IRI also receives grants and donations from individuals, corporations and foundations. Donations to IRI are tax deductible.

4) The poll by IRI is corroborated by Gallup Pakistan.

5) The polls by IRI and Gallup Pakistan are more credible than those conducted in the fashion of ARY/DAWN. Whereas the former two seek a fair cross-samply representation, the latter two draw their results from anyone who volunteers to poll. Psychologists call it "sample bias." Obviously, only a certain type of personality would volunteer to poll.

6) Your two points, Musharraf being a stooge and the poll being conducted by IRI are unrelated.

The whole post is immaterial smegster. What a joke.

Are you trying to convince us that this lot arriving in top of the range lamousines, dressed impecably to last detail with not even a grey hair in sight, each one of them with ownership of sugar and rice mills, steel factories and polo clubs and the habbit to wash their pug faces with mineral water, represent the 160 million people some of which don't even know where their next meal is comming from?

More so than the last lot "arriving in top of the range lamousines, dressed impecably to last detail with not even a grey hair in sight, each one of them with ownership of sugar and rice mills, steel factories and polo clubs and the habbit to wash their pug faces with mineral water" freed from jail in 2003.

The survey was conducted during live broad cast of "Bakhabar Sawera" on ARY this morning.
Cosidering the role media is playing, one would hardly be inclined to be pro- Musharaff!!!!

I can bet the actual impeachment votes of some members of the senate and NA would be the opposite. I am expecting a huge number of absentees.

your whole leadership is a stooge of america, except for psychos like mullahs and the taliban.

Arslan you might think that the IRI attempt to destablise Pakistan is immaterial or a joke but I do not.

McCain’s Meddlers
By Mukoma Wa Ngugi, June 2008 Issue
President Bush endorsed John McCain even before Mike Huckabee dropped out of the race. It was back in 2005 at an International Republican Institute (IRI) dinner. President Bush introduced John McCain as an “outstanding” IRI board chairman and as “a man of honor and integrity, and great personal courage.”

McCain has served as board chairman since 1993. During the past fifteen years, under the cover of spreading democracy and a free market economic system, the IRI has helped install governments friendly to the United States and undermined others.

Despite its reputation for destabilizing popularly elected governments, McCain touts his experience in the IRI as an example of what he would do if elected President. “Given my decades of involvement in promoting democratic values, it is safe to assume that I will remain a supporter of legitimate democracy-building groups,” McCain told The Arizona Republic.

Formed in 1983 during the Reagan Administration, the IRI is funded almost entirely by U.S. tax dollars to the tune of $75 million a year, with the money being disbursed through the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). Big business, lobbying groups, and foundations gave more than $1 million to the IRI in 2006, while individuals donated a total of $200,000.

The IRI calls itself a “nonprofit, nonpartisan organization committed to advancing freedom and democracy worldwide by developing political parties, civic institutions, open elections, good governance, and the rule of law.”

But created at a time when CIA covert action in Central America was coming under increasing scrutiny, the IRI has undertaken some of the supplementary tasks the CIA traditionally performed.

And while the IRI portrays itself as nonpartisan, a quick look at the IRI website establishes that while it is not legally under the Republican Party, in practice it is indistinguishable from it. The group is an amalgam of businesspeople, party stalwarts, and neocons.

Corporate donors to the IRI include UPS, AT&T, Coca-Cola, Blackwater, Anheuser-Busch, Bell-South, Chevron, ExxonMobil Foundation, and BP. The Associated Press reports that many donor companies regularly lobby on the types of issues handled by the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation, where McCain is the number two Republican.

On the board of directors, you also find Paul Bremer III, the former viceroy of Iraq; Alison B. Fortier, the director of Lockheed Martin missile defense programs; and John F. W. Rogers, managing director of Goldman Sachs. Another board member, Frank Fahrenkopf, was the chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1983 to 1989. He is also the president and chief executive officer of the American Gaming Association. To date, McCain has received more than $100,000 from the gaming industry, as per opensecrets.org.

But that’s not the only financial overlap between the IRI and McCain’s Presidential campaign. McCain’s political action committee raised at least $392,000 from IRI donor companies and their employees since January 2005. His presidential campaign has collected another $670,000 from institute donors.

Key advisers to McCain have been on the IRI board, too. Randy Scheun­­­emann, who drafted the Iraq Liberation Act (McCain was a co-sponsor of the bill), also was on the board of the Project for the New American Century, the neoconservative outfit that argued for overthrowing Saddam in the 1990s. Scheunemann is a foreign policy adviser to McCain.

According to its website, the IRI at first “focused on planting the seeds of democracy in Latin America [but] since the end of the Cold War, has broadened its reach to support democracy and freedom around the globe [and] has conducted programs in more than 100 countries and is currently active in 72 countries.” As McCain told The New Republic, “We were all intoxicated by the fall of the Soviet Union and the collapse of its empire.”

The IRI engages in what it calls the “consolidation of democracy.” That is, it facilitates the coming together of splintered opposition parties, churches, human rights organizations, worker unions, women’s organizations, and student groups.

Sometimes, as in some former Soviet republics, the IRI seems to support reformists, albeit those with a free market orientation. In the Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, the IRI-backed candidate, defeated Viktor Yanukovich, who was representing decrepit Soviet-style authoritarianism.

But IRI activities in Latin American countries such as Haiti, Cuba, and Venezuela are more controversial. In Haiti in 2002 and 2003, the IRI helped consolidate the opposition to the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide. “Several of the people who had attended IRI trainings were influential in the toppling of Aristide,” reports Mother Jones. The U.S. ambassador to Haiti at the time even suggested that the IRI was instrumental in Aristide’s downfall.

In 2002, then-IRI president George Folsom applauded the failed Venezuelan coup against President Hugo Chavez. “Last night, led by every sector of civil society, the Venezuelan people rose up to defend democracy in their country,” he said in a statement released by the IRI while the coup was still under way.

Not expecting the coup to fail, he went on to proudly claim that the IRI “has served as a bridge between the nation’s political parties and all civil society groups to help Venezuelans forge a new democratic future.” He boasted: “We stand ready to continue our partnership with the courageous Venezuelan people.”

Last November, the IRI gave its “Freedom Award” to Tony Saca, the president of El Salvador. In taped remarks, McCain said, “El Salvador’s politics and economy have been transformed. Today, former guerrillas are free to stand peacefully for public office, and economic growth is gradually eroding poverty.” But fifteen years after the civil war ended, economic and political problems linger. Corruption is rampant. San Salvador’s archbishop recently said the social conditions that gave way to the civil war remain. Activists who are organizing against Saca’s neoliberal economic policies face riot cops and charges of terrorism under new laws that criminalize public protest.

IRI board member Richard S. Williamson presented the award to Saca and recalled President Ronald Reagan’s policies in Latin America.

“Back then, the front line in the march to freedom was Central America,” said Williamson. “I remember those close vote counts, in the early ’80s, when Ronald Reagan was going against the majority in Congress who didn’t want to support the freedom fighters in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and elsewhere. Fortunately, he prevailed, and twenty-five years later El Salvador is a beacon of freedom.”

The IRI also conducts polls in high-stakes situations that it can skew to create a public and political consensus around a desired outcome. A “secret poll” conducted in Cuba found that “77 percent of Cubans want a new system of elections,” “83 percent of Cubans believe changes to a more market-based economy would improve their daily lives,” and “79 percent of Cubans do not believe the current government can fix the problems facing the country.”

The first thing, of course, is that a secret poll cannot be verified. And secondly, it sharply contradicts other polls. A January 2007 Gallup poll found that 40 percent of Cubans disapproved of the Cuban government while 47 percent approved. The Gallup poll also noted that 75 percent of Cubans approved of their health care system and 78 percent of their education system.

In Iraq, the IRI has conducted polls, too. It asks such questions as: Do you prefer to change government through peaceful and fair elections, fair and public trials, and no arbitrary arrest or detention? Most people in any culture and under most circumstances would favor not being tortured or being arrested arbitrarily.

What is missing in the IRI polls are hard questions such as: Has the American occupation been good? How long should U.S. troops stay? According to a Program on International Policy Attitudes poll in September 2006, 71 percent of Iraqis favored a U.S. troop withdrawal within a year, and 61 percent of Iraqis approved of attacks on U.S. forces.

As board chairman, McCain says he has been a hands-on manager. “All board members are involved in determining where IRI will work and in overseeing those activities,” he told The Arizona Republic.

McCain denies that the IRI has toppled any government. His critics say he bears a responsibility to investigate allegations of meddling in other countries.

If the so-called maverick becomes President in 2009, McCain will have some trust issues in international gatherings from day one. As the IRI board chairman, he has already shown his hand.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_ngugi0608

some folks sincerely beleive that Pakistan's salvation lies with the likes of Nawaz & Zardari.


I had the oppertunity to meet with a very important member of Nawaz's VVIP staff who served with him for 3 years in his 2nd term. He did not have a single good word to say about him.

He also exposed many familiar stories of his curroption, that we have all come to know.

"My" whole leadership?



If I had the chance, I'd string the whole lot up and bring in fresh faces. This is as much "my" leadership as yours. A few things: firstly you are absolutely right - these people, barring a few, are stooges. Secondly, at least these people will be held accountable at the next polls. Thirdly, rather a civilian government in place than a military man with the backing of the army.


smeg, bro, I hear what you're saying.

But, the IRI poll wouldn't be so credible if we knew public opinion to be otherwise. The fact remains, and I think most people would agree: the public's discontent with the present government notwithstanding, the majority opinion is against Musharraf. Pakistanis are a very religious, passionate people. MashAllah, and may it ever remain so, Islam is very important to them. Musharraf has been catagorically labelled as having acted against the interests of Islam and Pakistan, and for the interests of the US. This is why he is, for the most part, strongly disliked.

The present government has so far not achieved that same status. I think if Musharraf is impeached, and the judges are restored, it will have regained massive support from the nation.

On a personal note, I believe if the two above things are achieved, then the othe problems - economy, inflation, security, cost of living etc etc etc - will also start to improve, InshAllah.


Bro, Pakistan's salvation lies in a system, not individuals.

NS and Zardari are unpleasant, yet necessary, elements required to ensure the maturation of that system from a weak institution that can be overthrown at a moment's notice to something that is unbreakable.

These vary people are the biggest threat to the system.

Just look around you, Shazishi Masood was awarded for his anti-musharaf venom and made the head of PTV ... which system was followed? Shazishi Manhoos isn't even a govt of Pakistan's employee to hold that position!

Who suffered? PTV!

How have the likes of Abdullah Yousuf and Shirin Mazari been removed from their office? Which protocol was followed?

Have you not seen the progress of past 3 months? or the so called 100 days?

Mark my words very clearly in your head. These two are following successionist agenda. They loot and bank curropt the country within months. Foreign reserves have gone from 16 billion to 9 billion!

Where did the other 7 billion go? and thats after Ishaq Dar gifted Pakistan's economic policy to WB and IMF.


If the country is already weaping, it will shed tears of blood in the coming months.

Musharaf's impeechment is just a "TOPI-DRAMA" to keep the people from their real problems. What do you think will happen after he is gone?

NWFP will fall, Balochistan will go and Punjab and Sindh will become involved in a Civil War.

Doesn't really matter what the localized polls say...

Pakistan under the PPP is nothing to look forward to...

However...

Pakistan under Moshe was terrible too...

I'm hoping that with Moshe's exit; the judges can come back... This will mean an independent judiciary...

The decisions we need to make visavis the war on terror; will mean that we see some serious rough seas ahead...

But then sher ki aik din ki zindagi, geedar ki so saal ki zindagi sey behter hay... Funny thing is even zardari came out with a comment about how the US needs to do more regarding afia siddiqui... Lekin a snake is a snake is a snake is a snake...

wait for 14th august...

the flags come out everywhere... from peshawar, quetta, karachi to the northern areas... Pakistan k liye bohut logon ney jaanain deen hain... issay kuch nahin ho gaa...

I doubt the judges will come back. A truly independent judiciary would mean that 80% of our government would be behind bars (I would love for that to happen, but it's too unrealistic).

With Mushy gone, their looting will become more efficient. Every possible obstacle is being removed.

Bench from the days of Ifthikhar is anything but independent.

Would you say the same if their first action is to legitimize the hi-jacker?

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with any one called Shazishi Manhoos?

I know a news anchor called Shahid Masood, but no one by the name you mentioned.

I prefer PTV this way than the way it was before.

Before, it was a biased pro-government propoganda machine. Now, we see a more balanced picture. The guy is a doctor, educated, cynical about everyone and absolutely perfect for the role of chariman of PTV news.

I believe a dictator who released criminals from prison to stay in power and fired every independent-minded judge who opposed him is the biggest threat to democracy.

We'll have to agree to disagree. But then again, as an opponent of democracy, I don't think you're ok with that.

Now, moreoever, economy ko barbaad kar di hai. Agreed. The fact that much of the effects of the downslide are to do with the spillover from the previous government and global inflation notwithstanding, I'll agree with you.

Khaweesh-nawaazi ki hai. Agreed.

Musharraf ka muakhaza aik bahana hai. Agreed.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Mark these words.

My point, mere bhai, is this: democracy is not an overnight thing.

Who'll vote for them in the next elections if they carry on? The elections after those? The elections after those?

Hamari qaum itni bhi be-zehan nahi jitni aap banaatay hain. They'll vote for the looters a few more times. It's not idealism. It's realistic.

Then they'll stop.

InshAllah of course.

Mian hi jacker has some of his own accusations against the other side...

Even if the PM needs to be impeached; it has to be through a proper process which allows him to answer his accusers... If you simply over throw those laws; you're overthrowing the constitution... which is treason...

Bohut lambay discussion main parr jain gey...

Remember hamid gul going to the CJP with flowers... they threw him in adiala jail for over 13 days... The question is under which law of Pakistan did anyone (Moshe or otherwise) lock up all those judges and their families?

Proper impeachment proceedings mean Moshe will get his chance (According to proper rules and regulations); which he refused to give to either NS or to the CJP...

I will condemn them with every last breath in my body. If this is indeed their first action.

If there is fair and due process and then they legitimise the hijacker, I'll applaud them.

The issue we will need to watch out for would be rehman malik's (Hence the US) control over the army and ISI...

I predict that after Moshe's gone, open season ho gaa...

Like it or not... PPP is a left leaning party while PML N are right wingers...

PTV is a government institution. Only those who are "Sarkari affsar" should go onto hold any position within PTV, not outsiders especially based on their pervious servies to certain political clowns. Sazishi Manhos was rewarded with a 55 lakh salary paycheque.

Now, i am not an opponenet to democracy. And for all your assumptions, Musharaf was elected by the senate, which to date continues to function.

You are saying that people will not elect them in the following elections ..... what makes you think that the following elections would be independent, free and fair?

Isn't it ironic the uniformed men are the only ones under which free and fair elections were held? Did you forget the drama of March 1977? and the rigging that done by the Grand Daddy of Zardari; aka Z.A. Bhutto? May be i am going too far back, did you forget the elections of the 90s and how Nawaz tried to become "Ameer-ul-momeneen" and essentially stop all elections once and for all. Since Amee-ul-moemeneen donot require to be elected by the "Awam"

Democracy is fine, these two clowns and their cronies aren't. Problem is that by the time these termites are done eating the foundations of this country, there'd be nothing left to fall back on.

When it comes to appointing "legally inelligible" individuals to certain posts, are you so sure you have a leg to stand on?

Rewind a year. Every single major civil post in Pakistan was held by a military man.

The post of President of Pakistan was held by the Army Chief - constitutionally illegal. Rubber-stamped by a puppet Parliament composed of various criminals freed under the pretence of democracy.

You're talking about due process - shouldn't be appointed Chairman because he isn't a GoP employee. I agree. Fire him.


Again, a senate elected by illegitimate provinical assemblies.

Under whose authority does a single man free criminals tried under NAB from prison? Under whose authority is the ISI ordered to ensure the King's party wins?


They won't be.

No election is.

But 2008 elections set the ball rolling. The media has its proverbial tenticles in everything.


Bro, to an extent and very ironically what you say is right.

It was because of a "uniformed man" that these elections were relatively free and fair. COAS General A. P. Kiyani. Kudos to you.

So you are willing to give credit to him but not to the fact that Musharaf had to shed his uniform for Kiyani to become anything.


Its this very self-serving bias that makes pakistanis deserving of rivers of blood that are coming their way.

As I mentioned a few months ago, Kiyani's appointment was incidental to - rather than a result of - Musharraf taking off his uniform.

Musharraf had no choice. Either way. He couldn't stay. And he couldn't take his uniform off without severely weakening himself.

So he did the only thing that made sense.

He appointed a loyalist. An independent-minded loyalist as it turned out

Which is good for us.

There is not much to defend against. He balanced responsibilities for security, stability, growth, development, responding to peoples changing demands all the same time. He admitted mistakes where he had to. He admitted mistakes publically atleast three times as I recall. He has defended and explained things and events throughout his tenure without being asked to. I have not come across any world leader that good. Direction, state of Pakistan security, economy, military actions and reasons were always explained. If it was clear to me then it had to be known to most people in Pakistan.

The people cannot and do not vote...they are 'influenced' to choose their 'leaders' and put under hard oppression...this is a fact. Even among the Pakistani elites there are clear signs of family allegiences and "lesser evil" syndrome. In fact, choosing democracy and knowing that NS and Zardari will return a few times is no different than supporting Musharraf...the cycle will continue until a big wrench is thrown in the middle...simply reverting to one wheel (army) or the other (democrats) will NOT solve anything. To be fair...maybe it'll work over 50 to 100+ years...but we do NOT have that time...the rapid spread of technology and compression of space makes life quicker and every single day ever more critical.

The only solution is to drop everything!

Drop Chief Justice Chaudhry and his court...drop Musharraf and replace the constitution as well as adopt a new electoral system. Establish an apolitical committee to select a new judiciary and form an apolitical government. Then have filtered elections under incredibly tight scruitiny...change the role of parliament of protector of the people and constitution...only to attack the govt if it crosses the bounds of the law...but allow the govt to govern without needless debate - within the law. Have a truly autonomous judiciary to run through the backlogs; to protect and try all the Dr Afias; to keep the Zardaris and Sharifs out!

the IRI is credible. When it first came in it had Musharraf with majority support as it was for years. The second time around it showed it down and kept going down. I am not usually a conspiracy theorist but I have no doubt Musharraf's image downfall was partly orchestrated by CIA. It was to bring in BB, unfortunately for them she got killed and now they dont have a powerful figure to talk to. Can be advantageous or disadvantageous. Only the future will tell.

For me and many educated people which I know .. all support your as President.

You are very dear to us and we hope that you are able to stop this drift of Pakistani economy towards anarchy ! Forex at 10b & Stocks at 10,000 ... With hardly any FDI's for this year !

Pakistani stocks are nothing but satta...

FDI kidher sey ho gi??? Security situation dekhain aap... Why was this drift allowed to happen?? Why was not a mined border fence put up all those years ago???

Sari industry bund hay due to electricity... This situation was being predicted on a serious level ten years ago...

Criminal incompetence is at play...

WASHINGTON, Aug 12: The United States cannot offer a blank cheque to Pakistan’s “undemocratic president,” says the US Democratic Party, signalling clearly that if Barack Obama is elected in November, the beleaguered Pakistani leader will not have an ally in the White House.

The document, known as the party platform, will be adopted at the Democratic National Convention on Aug 25 when delegates from across the United States will formally endorse Mr Obama as the party’s candidate for president.

“We will ask more of the Pakistani government, rather than offer a blank check to an undemocratic President,” says the document in a chapter titled, “Seek a new partnership with Pakistan.”

Emphasising the need for a long-term relationship with Pakistan, the document says: “We must move beyond an alliance built on individual leaders, or face mounting opposition in a nuclear-armed nation at the nexus of terror, extremism, and the instability wrought by autocracy.”

The document also supports a bipartisan move in the US Senate to offer a $15 billion aid package over the next 10 years.

“We will significantly increase non-military aid to the Pakistani people and sustain it for a decade, while ensuring that the military assistance we provide is actually used to fight extremists,” the document says.

The Democratic Party platform expresses serious concerns over the situation in Fata, warning that the United States cannot allow this area to become a sanctuary for terrorists.

“The greatest threat to security in Afghanistan and America lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and plot attacks and then strike and move back across the border,” the document claims.

“We cannot tolerate a sanctuary for Al Qaeda. We will ask more of the Pakistani government, rather than offer a blank cheque to an undemocratic President.”

To deal with this situation, the party suggests “a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Nato, including necessary assets like satellites and predator drones, to secure the border by wiping out terrorist camps and cracking down on cross-border insurgents.”

Asserting that the US should help Pakistan develop its own counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency capacity, the party says it will invest in the long-term development of the Pashtun border region so that the “the extremists’ programme of hate is met with an agenda of hope.”

The resolution states that the party would significantly increase non-military aid to the Pakistani people and sustain it for a decade, while ensuring that the military assistance provided is annually used to fight extremists.

The document announces that the Democratic administration will send at least two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan, and will use this commitment to seek greater contributions – with fewer restrictions – from America’s Nato allies.

“The central front in the war on terror is not Iraq, and it never was. We will defeat Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where those who actually attacked us on 9-11 reside and are resurgent.”

The party has also decided to formally call the decision to go to war with Iraq a “strategic blunder” but warns that the US should “be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.”

Describing India as America’s “natural strategic ally,” the Democratic Party suggests that under the Presidency of Barack Obama the US will seek effective collaboration on pressing global issues with all major powers including New Delhi.

The vultures are so eager to eat the flesh of Musharraf that they couldn't care less about anything else, namely Pakistan. Only for this eagerness they are disqualified completely and by the same token qualify Musharraf, who with more power than them never acted like a vulture.

For some people to hate to the utmost some important figure seems to be an overriding psychological need. Pity that there is a price to pay for that.

I am really sorry for what is going on and really pray that in spite of all appearances it turns out well for the country.

Pakistan is an important piece in the world balance. It would be very tragic for all people of good will everywhere if it went down to the engross the imperial books of "victories".

Pakistani stocks are nothing but satta...

FDI kidher sey ho gi??? Security situation dekhain aap... Why was this drift allowed to happen?? Why was not a mined border fence put up all those years ago???

Sari industry bund hay due to electricity... This situation was being predicted on a serious level ten years ago...

Criminal incompetence is at play...

Why is there no shortage in India ? I have acquaintainces / friends coming in from Andhra & Mumbai .. they are saying they have 8 & 6 hours of electricity breakdown every day respectively in both states ! Why there is no burning, rioting & downslide in exports of India !

The same is Sri Lanka & Bangladesh .. why their export did not fall & they did not claim criminal proceedings against their rulers.

Now coming back to industry & damage to national name : Why did you hear such a lot of stories about IPP producers ! Did the Musharaff govt. go international about the criminal accords with NS & BB had signed on behalf of Wapda with commission provided IPP's ! When electricity price was nearly 1 to 2 Pak Rs. they signed 7 Pak Rs. / unit with Hubco ! This problem was one of the major force which kept foreign investors out of Pakistan.

While everybody knew (including past govt.) about the kickbacks done in the early 90's .. but to talk about it in 1998 would be killing your image overseas .. so what did the Musharaff govt. manage ! With stick & carrot got the rates accept at 4.50 Rs. or similar and never talked about it a loud to destory our name .. because both NS & BB had signed the agreements as GOP !

While this was talked about locally but internationally not much ..

How I know the details .. hahaha .. The civil part of HUBCO was done by Campenon Bernard (a French civil construction company) .. I Unfortunatley this khaksar knows the inside story !

:) The thugs selected to the provincial assemblies through deals and backing of CIA can be called overwhelming opposition but You Can Not call these thugs as representatives of the entire Country.


2. Plus as far as the voting by provincial assembalies well in Constitution of Pakistan there is no article or law which could give the Provincial Assembalies or even the National Assembly or even Senat to ask President for taking vote of confidence.


Even the Impeachment has nothing to do with Provincial assembalies under the constitution.

Your thug Zardari is once again bluffing the idiot Gunja who will loos in the long run after he accepted to avail the ministeris of short term benefit.

:) well zindabad why in your hate for Musharraf you fail to realise the sinsiter agenda of Zardari to break Pakistan. BTW being moderator you should be above any political biasness :) which you are not just like another one who always defend the Terrorist MQM and Indian ;)

I do know the numbers and the inside story... Your figures are slightly off... we were paying Hubco about twice of what it cost us to produce the same...

The reason was that BB did not want to make the kala bagh... There were under handed deals as well (no doubt)...

NS went after the deal (To try to scuttle it) but couldnt do jack because the contracts were signed and World Bank was involved...

These IPPs are pretty akalmand... Now they have Liquidated Damages clauses in the contracts... Remember when balochistan got flooded; the entire fauj in the area was busy sand bagging IPP power stations...

Bohut kameenay hain...

That being said; you also need to take a look at the number of dams India is currently making... It is spending alot upon infrastructure... Open up Google Earth and compare... Trace out each Pakistani river to its source...

Aap ko wahan sey differences nazar atay hain...

Also remember that India is now nearly a part of the NSG...

These resolutions display the intent of the people... They're not binding upon the president as yet... Once the national assembly does the deed; then its binding...

The resolutions show how much support the president has at the provincial level...

Only Balochistan is left... All others have passed with overwhelming support...

Since when have the assemblies started representing the interests of the common man? Their interest has always been their own skin, allegiances and interests.