No, and not because he's an idiot but because there's still a whole lot he can do before dissolving the assemblies

1 - Hang Nawaz sharif for not keeping the "Deal" after hi-jacking the plane
2 - Roll back NRO
3 - Reinstate the Judges and in principle kill the entire Dramabazi of Nawaz & Zardari


etc.


I am sure he still has plenty of dirt on these filthy raccons from his ISI arm as well, which can be effectively used to blackmail these clowns.

anyways, lets see how he plays his cards.

But at the end of the day he can take Nawaz Sharif's route as well, leave the country do politics from London or US or Canada etc, and start running effective opposition from outside the country like BB and Nawaz did.

and i am against 58-2b because that won't bring any stability to the country, unless its accompnied with an emergency/marshlaw

the only option musharraf has is to revoke NRO, I dont know if that is a viable option. 58-2b is of no use.

Revoke NRO and hold everyone on the charges we all know they are guilty for. NS for corruption/hijacking and Zardari for corruption/murder. Then hold immediate land reforms, any Feudal who refuses should be hung. Then he can resign or stay, either way it doesn't make a difference to me.

The feudals are now in govt, so nobody can hang them. Since Pakistanis vote for these feudals, land reforms are next to impossible.

Next to impossible isn't the same thing as impossible.

Bhutto was a fuedal lord and he was hung! Nothing is impossible. But I still think that 58(2b) MUST be acted upon now. Forget about black mailing these clowns and ######. There are bigger things at stake. So as long as they are even near Islamabad, they will continue to cooperate against the hindus and the zionists in conspiracies against the country. HEED MY WORDS...THE ASSEMBLIES MUST BE DISSOLVED AND THESE TRAITORS MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE AT THE ENDS OF A ROPE'S NOOSE!!!!!

where' are you located right now? in Pakistan?

beucase if you are .... than i think its a safe time for 58-2b .... i smell enough dissent that such a step might just have enough public backing

I'm in America. But my family is in Pakistan, Parents and all. And I talk to them almost every day. Every one of my relatives want these assemblies sent back to the hell hole they came from.

This may sound in bad taste, but I pray that some army general, be he is a renegade, loose cannon or a rogue element, takes charge of a few men and pays a last visit to Nawas, Zardari, Qazi and a few others and gives them our regards right between the eyes, whatever the outcome for him, a court martial or otherwise but you can be sure his pictures will be displayed on the windscreens of every Toyata Hice carrier running breadth and width of Pakistan!!!!!!!

You are absolutely right, as only a patriotic person in armed forces with some men under his command could do what you asked. Regardless of impeachment succeeds or not, it is need of the time what you mentioned.

Until Pakistan does not clean itself from Liars, crooks, thugs, plunderers and looters in politics, Fasadi Mullahs of various schools, playboys fooling people as (clean shaved) Mullah and (dis)honest politician, past corrupts, thieves and thugs retired from services and now try to portray themselves as civil society, those journalists who maligned this profession with their lies and take money under the table from politicians and foreign countries to spread anarchy, lawyers who are trouble makers, past and present government servants (including Iftikhar) who used their official position in government to do nepotism and deprive hard working poor Pakistanis in college admission as well as govt jobs so that their kids could get it, and also all government servants who are guilty of corruption, nepotism and misconduct (regardless of court covered their guilt by stopping investigation of their guilt like Ch Iftikhar). Until someone does not get rid of these known parasites in Pakistani society, misery of Pakistan would stay forever, and country would never progress or prosper.

If you tell me where these three are I will go to it myself. Nawaz lives very close to my house in Model Town..... Zaradari I need to get too.

Once upon a time, a hit list was prepared, by Gen. Arif Bangash.
Unfortunately, or fortunately for the ones on the hit list, Gen. Jehangir Karamat took over and the plan was shelved.

This is a truth, once NS (as PM) summoned Pres. Musharraf, and reprimanded him.
Musharraf just replied "I'm not JK" and walked away dismissing NS' tantrums.

:D

Your great leader chose to sanctify all their sins through the NRO... Kia traitors yaa looters ki baatain kerey hain aap??

He is willing to "forgive" looters and legalize their loot; as long as they keep him as President...

Bud Kaar, Bud Niyat, Bud Kirdaar, aur Bud Bukht insaan hay...

In my opinion, Moshe will use 58 2 B... Mark my words...

"Pakistan first" kabhi nahin tha aur naa abhi hay... Its always been "Musharraf first"...

Lets see what happens when this guy uses 58 2B...

I believe the assembly is meeting on Monday... The first order of business will be a repeal of 58 2 B through parliament... Iss weekend per hi ho gaa jo kuch bhi hona hay...

Oh and btw,

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=52189

Thats the final province...

Sheikh Mujib-ul-Rahman was the traitor behind former East Pakistan tragedy, he was seen by the Bangladeshis in the same context as we take pride in our dear Quaid-e-Azam, but then all the respect and attention went to Mujib's head and he started to run the country like his personell affair, eventually one of his generals along with some soldiers made a last visit to Mujib's family residence and the only survivor was his daughter Sheikh Hasina, who was studying in London at the time. Suffice to repeat myself, Pakistan has had bloodless coups........it needs a really bloody one!!!!!

I think you guys seriously underestimate the hate, Pakistan has for this guy...

If you look at the numbers in the assemblies; you should get a wake up call...

These are the same people who were elected by an election held UNDER moshe...

By refusing to resign he is inviting just such a blood bath...

Khuda sey darna chahye... When such things happen; bohut khoon kharaba hota hay...

If the majority of the country wants you gone; THEN GO...

Abhi to its clear that the Moshe's opposition camp has more than 2-3rds of the required votes...

The best he can do for Pakistan is to resign...

Lekin if he was someone who thought about Pakistan first; to aisi nobut hi naa kabhi aati...

He will use 58 2 B... I fully expect this of him...

I agree with that where people hate NS and PPP I know of people who hate Mush as much. These three goons (Zardari, NS, Mush) need to be removed. Each one of them have polarized the nation.

With the sort of problems happening in NWFP and Balochistan; do you think Pakistan Army should garrison the cities as well??

Ajeeb idiotic batain hain... We were victims of similar idiots, when we chose to fight a war with 3 divisions against 13 divisions of the indian army and that ^%$*(& horde mukti bahini...

Pakistan ka aik aur Iran bun jaye gaa...

There are some idiots who shout......Go...Musharaff...GO.....

But the majority of us say...... Go...Musharaff...GO...Kill them all in one go!!!!

Where was this majority on election day? Election was a competition between NS lovers, PPP lovers, and Mush lovers.

If I remember correctly it was more like 30% voter turnout in this past election.

But Majority of Pakistani's didnt even bother to come out and vote and waste their time on these leaders. Majority of Pakistani's didnt find any leader/party (Zardari, NS, Mush party) worthy of their vote.

Best would be if we got rid of all three of them, NS and Zardari should be brought to Justice, NRO should be abolished, and Uncle Mush should call it a day and resign.

In all honesty, the day belonged to sympathy vote! the very people who voted them in, are the ones cursing themselves.

It's the people's fault, that they didn't exercise their right to vote.
They had the ultimate power to change directions, and by absconding, they thought they were protesting and making a statement.

People are against Musharraf: What a lie and propaganda of unelected characterless people.

This propaganda by NS, his party full of liars, Qazi, Imran, retired crooks and thugs who looted the country as govt servants and now call themselves civil society (though they are crook society), some lawyers who are supporter of corrupt ex-CJ, and Journalists playing tune of thugs who are paying them, is nothing but propaganda and blatant lies. It surprises me that liars and those who got misguided by their lies believe that they can change things with their propaganda and would succeed in hiding facts. Even though some in the country might get misguided by their propaganda, it is difficult to change recorded realities.

Fact is that, only those who voted NS in last election were against President. Actually, PMLN votes were combined votes of all parties that were anti-government, anti-Musharraf and also of bikao maal (that included votes of Qazi, Imran, PKAPM, etc). As for PPP votes, PMLN votes, MQM votes, Fazlu votes and ANP votes, none were anti-Mush votes rather these votes were mostly pro-Mush votes.

Everyone knew before election that PPP would be behind President Musharraf after election. Even now, their parliamentary leader (Amin Fahim) has reservation to go against Musharraf. PPP did all to facilitate last Presidential election. Even usurper who inherited PPP in Jahez and fabricated letter of BeNazir is not against Musharraf, but his problem is that he is greedy and is finding hindrance in looting Pakistan in presence of President, so sometime he talks against Musharraf. Actually, all votes that PPP got, voters were not against Musharraf but were pro-Musharraf votes.

As for Fazlu, he also helped Presidential election in every way and many Pakistanis believe (including his supporters who voted his party) that he was not against Musharraf

As for ANP, they had only one vote in Presidential election and they voted for Musharraf, so their vote also could not be considered as anti-Musharraf, as those who voted this party knew (or at least thought) that his party is pro-Musharraf and anti-Taliban in NWFP. When we see votes (not seats) than we find:

Votes of parties who were openly with President:
PML = 8.5 million
MQM = 2.5 million
PML (F) = 1 million
NPP = 0.5 million
PPP (S) = 0.2 million
Independents (who contested election as independent but were with President openly, but were against leadership of PML) = many millions
Openly, Pro-Musharraf votes (people who voted knowing that they were voting pro-Musharraf) was around 12.5 million plus votes of many independent candidates.

Votes that were pro-Musharraf ... voters knew that party they are voting is not against Musharraf, rather would be new strength for President after election (PPP voters knew that their party leader came to Pakistan to support President):
PPP = 10.5 million
ANP = ~ 1 million
That is around 11 millions of PPP and ANP, that were mostly pro-Musharraf votes, though not openly but people who voted knew.

Pro-Musharraf voters who were a bit religious ... voters who did not wanted to vote secular forces but wanted to support President and knew that person leading the party they are voting (Fazlu) is not against Musharraf:
All votes that fell to Fazlu was NOT anti-Musharraf votes but were either pro-Musharraf or neutral votes.


People who voted knowing that party is against Musharraf were PMLN. Actually here also, some of the voters were confused as they thought that if party was against President than their crook and Liar leader Nawaz could not have come to Pakistan. Plus this party got votes of Qazi, Imran and many other parties who were against Musharraf, plus votes of misguided Muslims. Total votes this party got and that includes all anti-Musharraf votes plus some other votes was:
PMLN = 6.7 million.
6.7 million votes are around 19 percent of total cast votes and less than 8 percent of total Pakistani voters. So, how liars say that in last election, people voted against President?

So, when some crooks talk against President, than it only shows mentality of Pakistani party leaders who always make the people fool and when in the parliament, they start talking BS.

:D

Not one of you lives in Pakistan; yet you "know" what Pakistanis want...

Salim bhayi to apni hi dunya main magan hain...

Time sab kuch clear ker dey gaa... Remember I said the same before the elections as well...

tussi hi apne dunya ich rande ho pai. let's stay away from personal attacks now, isn't that what non-mods are told? Everyone's entitled to their opinion provided logic and reason in their discussion. One liners to a well written out statement says more about you than him.

Salim yaar, leave it.

Kya lagay hoay ho bolnay? You're saying PPP is pro-Musharraf? ANP is pro-Musharraf?

Why did these parties pass a vote of no-confidence against Musharraf in the provincial assemblies? ML-Q kay khud khuch MPA's nay Musharraf kay khilaaf intikhaab kya.

This is why there is talk of Musharraf resigning meray bhai. Have you been following the news?

Even his own party members are telling him to go!

I would be very pleased if he used 52b.

The assembly must go.

Nawaz is an incompetent buffoon and Zardari is a traitor and thief.

A leopard never changes its spots.

Go On Mush kill them all and do Pakistan a favor.

Salim bhayi k saath to khaas dosti hay...

Notice the fact that I almost never edit out comments... Dont really need to...

All four provinces voted to boot Moshe out... How many people do you think came out and supported him???

Anokhi makhlooq hai Salim bhaya bhi.

Seriously...

To Brother Salim:

Firstly,
Total registered voters are: 79,934,801
Out of which following voted: 35,610,001
Others registered voters decided not to waste their time on these leaders as none of them were worthy of their vote: 44,324,800

Secondly,
Out of the people that voted (not seats) we can say following were in Mush's camp.

Awami National Party----------------------700,479
Muttahida Qaumi Movement---------------2,507,813
Pakistan Muslim League (Q)---------------7,989,817
Pakistan Peoples Party (Sherpao)--------140,707
Others---------------------------------------5,166,433

Pro Mush--------------16,505,249

Independents and others were a case by case scenario but for my analysis I will put them in Mush's Camp.

Now I dont know how you concluded that voters voting for PPP were actually voting for Mush since PPP is a liberal party. Please explain that PPP voter who was causing havoc around the country and was holding Mush responsible after BB death actually was voting for Mush? Or is it some where in its manifesto Link that I missed. Ahh! I dont care about PPP manifesto anyway they have not fulfilled anyone of their promises, but people voting for PPP definitely didnt vote for Mush.

Pakistan People’s Party--------------------10,606,486
Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz)---------6,781,445
Mutthida Majlis-e-Amal---------------------772,798

Against Mush----------18,160,729

So here are the total

Pro Mush--------------16,505,249
Against Mush----------18,160,729

and even if you put MMA in Mush's camp result would be

Pro Mush---------------17,278,047
Against Mush-----------17,387,931

Here is a fact, Out of all of Pakistani population those who are registered, majority of them didnt vote in this election. Those registered voters who did vote, out of them majority was against Mush.

To all members reading this thread:

Now going back to topic, my question to you guys would be even if Mush dissolves Assemblies then what? He would have to hold election after a given period of time not to mention he will look like the aggressor. I can assure you he will be under pressure by external forces to make new election free and fair. If last election is any clue most likely Mush would give in to that demand, and most likely PPP and NS will win again, and voter turnout would be even lower than this past election. What would Mush do then?

Now I think its not in Mush's interest to dissolve assembly rather he should abolish NRO, re-instate Judiciary and file cases against NS and Zarari and bring them both to Justice. He should also play sympathy card with public by coming on TV "And apologizing for what he has done, and wow never to work with corrupt lotas to save his post.... and say that he doesnt care about his post and that he will try to bring corrupt leaders to task". I can assure you Pakistan people will respect him for it. He should try to clean the garbage like he should have done long ago, and not worry about what will happen to his post.

I agree, GOD knows if Mushy reads this forum, I wouldn't doubt it, but I hope he especially emphasizes that last part, and how he made the mistake in the first place due to international pressure

Musharraf has over a 1/3rd support.
The ones who don't have the 2/3rd support need to worry.

What mushy should do? i guess the same thing as Angelina did in the end of WANTED the only change i would like is musharaf to step aside after firing the bullet :p

Yes indeed, but the thing is there are several "unwanted" in this scenario, Musharraf will need to empty the whole magazine!