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Islamabad diary
Friday, August 15, 2008
Ayaz Amir
Last week I demonstrated the perils of instant punditry when I poured scorn over the prospects of impeachment. My concern was whether this move was for real. Putting ashes into my mouth, and sackcloth over my head, I apologise for that display of not totally unjustified cynicism. After all, we have been bitten so many times before that some shyness was not entirely out of place. But enough of that, this thing is for real, and no better Independence Day gift could have come for what remains a sorely-tried nation.
The Greeks thought that how one lived one’s life was important. But perhaps more important was how one faced adversity and the inevitability of death. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was a man with great qualities and deep flaws. But he achieved near-immortality in the manner he faced death, not flinching, not afraid, not begging for mercy. He was never more the Laird of Larkana than in his death cell in Rawalpindi Jail, since demolished. On the site of the old jail now stands, with our unerring sense of aesthetics, a McDonald’s takeaway.
Through its tumultuous history this country has endured and suffered two civilian despots, Ghulam Muhammad and Iskander Mirza, and four military usurpers — Ayub, Yahya, Zia and the one now desperately hanging on to what remains of his former glory. Barring Pervez Musharraf who is still around but has reached the end of his line, all these so-called strongmen had to relinquish power unceremoniously. They made grand entrances on to the political stage. They just did not know how to time their exits or how to leave the stage with a semblance of dignity.
Pervez Musharraf is going. This is the writing on the wall, the skies, the message emblazoned across the stars. There is no miracle which can keep him for much longer (and this is only a matter of days) as president. But he is shutting his eyes to reality because he doesn’t want to go, because he is afraid of the unknown and what may lie in store for him.
For years he has bragged about being a commando. What commando and what courage is he talking about? There are no redoubtable deeds of valour credited to him in the army. He did lead a military operation, Kargil, but we know what a disaster that was. Although if the full story of Kargil was known — how Musharraf and the commanders involved in that operation, Javed Hasan, Aziz and Mahmood were responsible for sacrificing in vain the lives of some of our bravest soldiers and officers — the cry would go up for dragging him and his associates in that ill-fated adventure before an avenging tribunal.
That one attempt at strategic command was a catastrophe. His rule has also been one endless tale of disaster which makes him a failure both in war and peace.
Our army’s soldiers and young officers have done it proud. But its chiefs, especially those who went on to seize power, have disgraced it, Musharraf being no exception. But now he is compounding his own misery by not leaving when any remaining shred of dignity should tell him that he was best served by walking off the stage with as much calm as he can muster. He was never cut out for greatness but by delaying his exit he is proving the smallness of which his detractors have always accused him.
Yes, there are other problems the country faces. The economic situation is grim as is the outlook on our western frontier. The government needs to get down to serious business. But Musharraf is an encumbrance, a remembrance of things past, an irrelevance crying to be removed. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were no problems for the French Revolution once they had been deposed from power. Czar Nicholas II was no problem for the Bolsheviks once they had seized power. But they were symbols of a dying era and the logic of those two revolutions dictated that they be done away with.
God knows the fire of no revolution burns in Pakistan. But we are at some kind of a turning point and Musharraf is the outstanding symbol of what went wrong with Pakistan, and the wrong choices the government made, during the past eight years. He must go.
The message to Field Marshal (self-appointed) Ayub Khan in March 1969 that his time was up and the national interest was best served by his departure was conveyed by the then judge advocate-general of the army. In his book of recollections Arshad Sami, then Ayub’s ADC, says that before going in to see the embattled field marshal, the judge advocate-general called for a double whiskey (Black Dog, as we are told). This was most unusual. Visitors to the president, if they felt like quenching their thirst, asked for a whiskey – large or small – on their way out, not on their way in. What is more, the judge advocate-general called for a second whiskey and only after thus working up some Dutch courage for himself did he walk in to the president and deliver his ominous message.
In Dec 1971 General Yahya Khan was in no mood to quit even after the Eastern Command had surrendered to the Indian army and East Pakistan had become Bangladesh. But a cabal of senior officers, led by Lt-Gen Gul Hasan, put it gently to him that he had better hand over power to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
In Aug 1988 Gen Zia’s summons came from Heaven, the instrument of Heaven — if we are to follow the line taken by Mohammad Hanif in his at-times hilarious ‘A Case of Exploding Mangoes’ — a box of mangoes put on his C-130 as it took off from Bahawalpur where he had gone to witness a tank exercise. In a Vanity Fair article not long after Zia’s death it was said that the person who had persuaded Zia not to miss the tank exercise was his former military secretary, and then commander first armoured division, Major-General Mahmud Durrani. Innocent souls might have been forgiven for thinking that Durrani was past his active service days. But Musharraf appointed him as our man in Washington. After he was supplanted there by Haqqani — ‘snake-in-the-grass’ to his friends — he is now national security adviser to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. (Which makes one wonder what Gilani thinks of tank exercises.)
Musharraf has needed no judge advocate-general to tell him that his time was up. The entire nation has given him this message, never more loud and clear than on Feb 18. But he has refused to go thereby only piling up more indignities and humiliation for himself.
What was the point of insisting that the song show held for some years on the eve of Independence Day should be held in the presidency? What was he trying to prove? In the event it only rubbed in his reduced circumstances, for attendance by government high-ups was poor and why blame them because who wants to be at a funeral parlour which is what Musharraf’s surroundings look like these days?
Forget about doing the nation a favour. Musharraf should do himself a last favour by looking up the meaning of the word dignity. If he has any left, he should go within the next few days. Let the country then move ahead and grapple with the many problems lying on its plate.
We need someone good to replace him, someone who can restore respect to the presidency. I suggested a couple of weeks back that Sardar Attaullah Mengal would be a great choice as president. It would heal Balochistan’s bitter wounds, bring Balochistan into the mainstream of national life, strengthen the federation and send out a strong signal that as a nation we are capable of bold actions.
To Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif goes the credit of the impeachment decision. Let them be guided similarly when it comes to choosing the name of the next president. And let them not delay the issue of restoring the deposed judges. That would complete the first stage of the democratic revolution for which the people voted on Feb 18. It would then be up to the nation and its leaders for making what they will of the next stages.
Tailpiece: What a fine decision by Dr Fehmida Mirza, the National Assembly speaker, to have the national anthem played in the National Assembly on Aug 13 and to ask MNAs to wear the national flag on their lapels. One of the good things to have happened since Feb is her election as speaker. She is doing an outstanding job and is proving an able custodian of the House.
Email: chakwal@comsats.net.pk
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US may be distancing itself from Musharraf
The White House has said that President George W. Bush believes only Pakistanis should decide who they want to lead their country, sending a clear signal that he will not rescue President Pervez Musharraf from an impeachment move.
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Meanwhile, senior US officials are telling reporters that there had been no high-level contact with Mr Musharraf for some time. They said that President Bush’s top national security advisers had counselled him “not to take the call” if Mr Musharraf telephoned but that Mr Bush had not yet communicated a decision on the matter.
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Even Vice-President Dick Cheney, one of Mr Musharraf’s principal backers in Washington, is now advising the administration to distance itself from him.
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S. Arabia steps in to seek safe exit for Musharraf
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The president’s spokesman, Maj-Gen (retd) Rashid Qureshi, alleged that the coalition parties were wrongly implicating an ‘innocent man’.
“They have been charging an innocent man wrongly and about these charges we have only heard through the media,” Mr Qureshi said, categorically ruling out the possibility that the president would resign before initiation of the impeachment process.
He said the president would reply to the charges only after receiving the charge-sheet. He alleged: “The media have been behaving irresponsibly and we think all news about the president’s resignation are being planted with certain intentions and motives. He is totally innocent.”
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There were reports in the electronic media that the chief of Saudi intelligence agency, Prince Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz, had secretly arrived in Pakistan and held talks with coalition leaders and President Musharraf. He is reportedly seeking a ‘safe exit’ for the president.
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The White House has said that President George W. Bush believes only Pakistanis should decide who they want to lead their country, sending a clear signal that he will not rescue President Pervez Musharraf from an impeachment move.
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Meanwhile, senior US officials are telling reporters that there had been no high-level contact with Mr Musharraf for some time. They said that President Bush’s top national security advisers had counselled him “not to take the call” if Mr Musharraf telephoned but that Mr Bush had not yet communicated a decision on the matter.
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Even Vice-President Dick Cheney, one of Mr Musharraf’s principal backers in Washington, is now advising the administration to distance itself from him.
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S. Arabia steps in to seek safe exit for Musharraf
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The president’s spokesman, Maj-Gen (retd) Rashid Qureshi, alleged that the coalition parties were wrongly implicating an ‘innocent man’.
“They have been charging an innocent man wrongly and about these charges we have only heard through the media,” Mr Qureshi said, categorically ruling out the possibility that the president would resign before initiation of the impeachment process.
He said the president would reply to the charges only after receiving the charge-sheet. He alleged: “The media have been behaving irresponsibly and we think all news about the president’s resignation are being planted with certain intentions and motives. He is totally innocent.”
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There were reports in the electronic media that the chief of Saudi intelligence agency, Prince Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz, had secretly arrived in Pakistan and held talks with coalition leaders and President Musharraf. He is reportedly seeking a ‘safe exit’ for the president.
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For God’s sake, leave
Islamabad diary
Friday, August 15, 2008
Ayaz Amir
Last week I demonstrated the perils of instant punditry when I poured scorn over the prospects of impeachment. My concern was whether this move was for real. Putting ashes into my mouth, and sackcloth over my head, I apologise for that display of not totally unjustified cynicism. After all, we have been bitten so many times before that some shyness was not entirely out of place. But enough of that, this thing is for real, and no better Independence Day gift could have come for what remains a sorely-tried nation.
The Greeks thought that how one lived one’s life was important. But perhaps more important was how one faced adversity and the inevitability of death. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was a man with great qualities and deep flaws. But he achieved near-immortality in the manner he faced death, not flinching, not afraid, not begging for mercy. He was never more the Laird of Larkana than in his death cell in Rawalpindi Jail, since demolished. On the site of the old jail now stands, with our unerring sense of aesthetics, a McDonald’s takeaway.
Through its tumultuous history this country has endured and suffered two civilian despots, Ghulam Muhammad and Iskander Mirza, and four military usurpers — Ayub, Yahya, Zia and the one now desperately hanging on to what remains of his former glory. Barring Pervez Musharraf who is still around but has reached the end of his line, all these so-called strongmen had to relinquish power unceremoniously. They made grand entrances on to the political stage. They just did not know how to time their exits or how to leave the stage with a semblance of dignity.
Pervez Musharraf is going. This is the writing on the wall, the skies, the message emblazoned across the stars. There is no miracle which can keep him for much longer (and this is only a matter of days) as president. But he is shutting his eyes to reality because he doesn’t want to go, because he is afraid of the unknown and what may lie in store for him.
For years he has bragged about being a commando. What commando and what courage is he talking about? There are no redoubtable deeds of valour credited to him in the army. He did lead a military operation, Kargil, but we know what a disaster that was. Although if the full story of Kargil was known — how Musharraf and the commanders involved in that operation, Javed Hasan, Aziz and Mahmood were responsible for sacrificing in vain the lives of some of our bravest soldiers and officers — the cry would go up for dragging him and his associates in that ill-fated adventure before an avenging tribunal.
That one attempt at strategic command was a catastrophe. His rule has also been one endless tale of disaster which makes him a failure both in war and peace.
Our army’s soldiers and young officers have done it proud. But its chiefs, especially those who went on to seize power, have disgraced it, Musharraf being no exception. But now he is compounding his own misery by not leaving when any remaining shred of dignity should tell him that he was best served by walking off the stage with as much calm as he can muster. He was never cut out for greatness but by delaying his exit he is proving the smallness of which his detractors have always accused him.
Yes, there are other problems the country faces. The economic situation is grim as is the outlook on our western frontier. The government needs to get down to serious business. But Musharraf is an encumbrance, a remembrance of things past, an irrelevance crying to be removed. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were no problems for the French Revolution once they had been deposed from power. Czar Nicholas II was no problem for the Bolsheviks once they had seized power. But they were symbols of a dying era and the logic of those two revolutions dictated that they be done away with.
God knows the fire of no revolution burns in Pakistan. But we are at some kind of a turning point and Musharraf is the outstanding symbol of what went wrong with Pakistan, and the wrong choices the government made, during the past eight years. He must go.
The message to Field Marshal (self-appointed) Ayub Khan in March 1969 that his time was up and the national interest was best served by his departure was conveyed by the then judge advocate-general of the army. In his book of recollections Arshad Sami, then Ayub’s ADC, says that before going in to see the embattled field marshal, the judge advocate-general called for a double whiskey (Black Dog, as we are told). This was most unusual. Visitors to the president, if they felt like quenching their thirst, asked for a whiskey – large or small – on their way out, not on their way in. What is more, the judge advocate-general called for a second whiskey and only after thus working up some Dutch courage for himself did he walk in to the president and deliver his ominous message.
In Dec 1971 General Yahya Khan was in no mood to quit even after the Eastern Command had surrendered to the Indian army and East Pakistan had become Bangladesh. But a cabal of senior officers, led by Lt-Gen Gul Hasan, put it gently to him that he had better hand over power to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
In Aug 1988 Gen Zia’s summons came from Heaven, the instrument of Heaven — if we are to follow the line taken by Mohammad Hanif in his at-times hilarious ‘A Case of Exploding Mangoes’ — a box of mangoes put on his C-130 as it took off from Bahawalpur where he had gone to witness a tank exercise. In a Vanity Fair article not long after Zia’s death it was said that the person who had persuaded Zia not to miss the tank exercise was his former military secretary, and then commander first armoured division, Major-General Mahmud Durrani. Innocent souls might have been forgiven for thinking that Durrani was past his active service days. But Musharraf appointed him as our man in Washington. After he was supplanted there by Haqqani — ‘snake-in-the-grass’ to his friends — he is now national security adviser to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. (Which makes one wonder what Gilani thinks of tank exercises.)
Musharraf has needed no judge advocate-general to tell him that his time was up. The entire nation has given him this message, never more loud and clear than on Feb 18. But he has refused to go thereby only piling up more indignities and humiliation for himself.
What was the point of insisting that the song show held for some years on the eve of Independence Day should be held in the presidency? What was he trying to prove? In the event it only rubbed in his reduced circumstances, for attendance by government high-ups was poor and why blame them because who wants to be at a funeral parlour which is what Musharraf’s surroundings look like these days?
Forget about doing the nation a favour. Musharraf should do himself a last favour by looking up the meaning of the word dignity. If he has any left, he should go within the next few days. Let the country then move ahead and grapple with the many problems lying on its plate.
We need someone good to replace him, someone who can restore respect to the presidency. I suggested a couple of weeks back that Sardar Attaullah Mengal would be a great choice as president. It would heal Balochistan’s bitter wounds, bring Balochistan into the mainstream of national life, strengthen the federation and send out a strong signal that as a nation we are capable of bold actions.
To Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif goes the credit of the impeachment decision. Let them be guided similarly when it comes to choosing the name of the next president. And let them not delay the issue of restoring the deposed judges. That would complete the first stage of the democratic revolution for which the people voted on Feb 18. It would then be up to the nation and its leaders for making what they will of the next stages.
Tailpiece: What a fine decision by Dr Fehmida Mirza, the National Assembly speaker, to have the national anthem played in the National Assembly on Aug 13 and to ask MNAs to wear the national flag on their lapels. One of the good things to have happened since Feb is her election as speaker. She is doing an outstanding job and is proving an able custodian of the House.
Email: chakwal@comsats.net.pk
For God’s sake, leave
Islamabad diary
Friday, August 15, 2008
Ayaz Amir
Last week I demonstrated the perils of instant punditry when I poured scorn over the prospects of impeachment. My concern was whether this move was for real. Putting ashes into my mouth, and sackcloth over my head, I apologise for that display of not totally unjustified cynicism. After all, we have been bitten so many times before that some shyness was not entirely out of place. But enough of that, this thing is for real, and no better Independence Day gift could have come for what remains a sorely-tried nation.
The Greeks thought that how one lived one’s life was important. But perhaps more important was how one faced adversity and the inevitability of death. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was a man with great qualities and deep flaws. But he achieved near-immortality in the manner he faced death, not flinching, not afraid, not begging for mercy. He was never more the Laird of Larkana than in his death cell in Rawalpindi Jail, since demolished. On the site of the old jail now stands, with our unerring sense of aesthetics, a McDonald’s takeaway.
Through its tumultuous history this country has endured and suffered two civilian despots, Ghulam Muhammad and Iskander Mirza, and four military usurpers — Ayub, Yahya, Zia and the one now desperately hanging on to what remains of his former glory. Barring Pervez Musharraf who is still around but has reached the end of his line, all these so-called strongmen had to relinquish power unceremoniously. They made grand entrances on to the political stage. They just did not know how to time their exits or how to leave the stage with a semblance of dignity.
Pervez Musharraf is going. This is the writing on the wall, the skies, the message emblazoned across the stars. There is no miracle which can keep him for much longer (and this is only a matter of days) as president. But he is shutting his eyes to reality because he doesn’t want to go, because he is afraid of the unknown and what may lie in store for him.
For years he has bragged about being a commando. What commando and what courage is he talking about? There are no redoubtable deeds of valour credited to him in the army. He did lead a military operation, Kargil, but we know what a disaster that was. Although if the full story of Kargil was known — how Musharraf and the commanders involved in that operation, Javed Hasan, Aziz and Mahmood were responsible for sacrificing in vain the lives of some of our bravest soldiers and officers — the cry would go up for dragging him and his associates in that ill-fated adventure before an avenging tribunal.
That one attempt at strategic command was a catastrophe. His rule has also been one endless tale of disaster which makes him a failure both in war and peace.
Our army’s soldiers and young officers have done it proud. But its chiefs, especially those who went on to seize power, have disgraced it, Musharraf being no exception. But now he is compounding his own misery by not leaving when any remaining shred of dignity should tell him that he was best served by walking off the stage with as much calm as he can muster. He was never cut out for greatness but by delaying his exit he is proving the smallness of which his detractors have always accused him.
Yes, there are other problems the country faces. The economic situation is grim as is the outlook on our western frontier. The government needs to get down to serious business. But Musharraf is an encumbrance, a remembrance of things past, an irrelevance crying to be removed. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were no problems for the French Revolution once they had been deposed from power. Czar Nicholas II was no problem for the Bolsheviks once they had seized power. But they were symbols of a dying era and the logic of those two revolutions dictated that they be done away with.
God knows the fire of no revolution burns in Pakistan. But we are at some kind of a turning point and Musharraf is the outstanding symbol of what went wrong with Pakistan, and the wrong choices the government made, during the past eight years. He must go.
The message to Field Marshal (self-appointed) Ayub Khan in March 1969 that his time was up and the national interest was best served by his departure was conveyed by the then judge advocate-general of the army. In his book of recollections Arshad Sami, then Ayub’s ADC, says that before going in to see the embattled field marshal, the judge advocate-general called for a double whiskey (Black Dog, as we are told). This was most unusual. Visitors to the president, if they felt like quenching their thirst, asked for a whiskey – large or small – on their way out, not on their way in. What is more, the judge advocate-general called for a second whiskey and only after thus working up some Dutch courage for himself did he walk in to the president and deliver his ominous message.
In Dec 1971 General Yahya Khan was in no mood to quit even after the Eastern Command had surrendered to the Indian army and East Pakistan had become Bangladesh. But a cabal of senior officers, led by Lt-Gen Gul Hasan, put it gently to him that he had better hand over power to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
In Aug 1988 Gen Zia’s summons came from Heaven, the instrument of Heaven — if we are to follow the line taken by Mohammad Hanif in his at-times hilarious ‘A Case of Exploding Mangoes’ — a box of mangoes put on his C-130 as it took off from Bahawalpur where he had gone to witness a tank exercise. In a Vanity Fair article not long after Zia’s death it was said that the person who had persuaded Zia not to miss the tank exercise was his former military secretary, and then commander first armoured division, Major-General Mahmud Durrani. Innocent souls might have been forgiven for thinking that Durrani was past his active service days. But Musharraf appointed him as our man in Washington. After he was supplanted there by Haqqani — ‘snake-in-the-grass’ to his friends — he is now national security adviser to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. (Which makes one wonder what Gilani thinks of tank exercises.)
Musharraf has needed no judge advocate-general to tell him that his time was up. The entire nation has given him this message, never more loud and clear than on Feb 18. But he has refused to go thereby only piling up more indignities and humiliation for himself.
What was the point of insisting that the song show held for some years on the eve of Independence Day should be held in the presidency? What was he trying to prove? In the event it only rubbed in his reduced circumstances, for attendance by government high-ups was poor and why blame them because who wants to be at a funeral parlour which is what Musharraf’s surroundings look like these days?
Forget about doing the nation a favour. Musharraf should do himself a last favour by looking up the meaning of the word dignity. If he has any left, he should go within the next few days. Let the country then move ahead and grapple with the many problems lying on its plate.
We need someone good to replace him, someone who can restore respect to the presidency. I suggested a couple of weeks back that Sardar Attaullah Mengal would be a great choice as president. It would heal Balochistan’s bitter wounds, bring Balochistan into the mainstream of national life, strengthen the federation and send out a strong signal that as a nation we are capable of bold actions.
To Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif goes the credit of the impeachment decision. Let them be guided similarly when it comes to choosing the name of the next president. And let them not delay the issue of restoring the deposed judges. That would complete the first stage of the democratic revolution for which the people voted on Feb 18. It would then be up to the nation and its leaders for making what they will of the next stages.
Tailpiece: What a fine decision by Dr Fehmida Mirza, the National Assembly speaker, to have the national anthem played in the National Assembly on Aug 13 and to ask MNAs to wear the national flag on their lapels. One of the good things to have happened since Feb is her election as speaker. She is doing an outstanding job and is proving an able custodian of the House.
Email: chakwal@comsats.net.pk
Just for the very reason that Bhutto did not beg 4 mercy and became near immortal as per the writer then he calls on musharaf chest thumping he being a commando, demands that he quits. Why should he quit if he is to leave then he should be tried and punished but he should face the music.(He is not the only person who should be tried)
The a$$ holes NS and Zardari call for impeachment and then try pressure tactics that the President quits, if you throw in a challenge then why do they want musharraf to chicken out of the fight why don't you straight away set an example for the generations to come that any intrusion into the parliament will be dealt with.
If you are so true then why don't you bring it on. It has taken them a whole week only to prepare the charge sheet against him after the announcement of impeachment shows how well prepared they are to take on the president. Had they some solid stuff they would have come with the charge sheet the very day. The Incompetent Nawaz was such an A$$ that in this 5 months of his rantings against musharraf he could not even prepare a charge sheet on his own for that he needed help of PPP what a shame.
May Allah give hidayat to all people.
QUOTE(Danish Moazzam @ Aug 16 2008, 07:32 AM)
Just for the very reason that Bhutto did not beg 4 mercy and became near immortal as per the writer then he calls on musharaf chest thumping he being a commando, demands that he quits. Why should he quit if he is to leave then he should be tried and punished but he should face the music.(He is not the only person who should be tried)
The a$$ holes NS and Zardari call for impeachment and then try pressure tactics that the President quits, if you throw in a challenge then why do they want musharraf to chicken out of the fight why don't you straight away set an example for the generations to come that any intrusion into the parliament will be dealt with.
If you are so true then why don't you bring it on. It has taken them a whole week only to prepare the charge sheet against him after the announcement of impeachment shows how well prepared they are to take on the president. Had they some solid stuff they would have come with the charge sheet the very day. The Incompetent Nawaz was such an A$$ that in this 5 months of his rantings against musharraf he could not even prepare a charge sheet on his own for that he needed help of PPP what a shame.
May Allah give hidayat to all people.
The a$$ holes NS and Zardari call for impeachment and then try pressure tactics that the President quits, if you throw in a challenge then why do they want musharraf to chicken out of the fight why don't you straight away set an example for the generations to come that any intrusion into the parliament will be dealt with.
If you are so true then why don't you bring it on. It has taken them a whole week only to prepare the charge sheet against him after the announcement of impeachment shows how well prepared they are to take on the president. Had they some solid stuff they would have come with the charge sheet the very day. The Incompetent Nawaz was such an A$$ that in this 5 months of his rantings against musharraf he could not even prepare a charge sheet on his own for that he needed help of PPP what a shame.
May Allah give hidayat to all people.
You need to understand. propaganda is a very powerful tool.
bhutto has done nothing for pakistan. even the very atomic program that 99% of the people jump about, is not started by him. just like Gen. zia didnt start it. now whenever you hear the story of "bhutto's bravery", also remember that many close friends of bhutto thought and told bhutto that he is delusional by thinking he is not going to be hanged. but bhutto thought he cant be touched. And till last second he believed that he will let go.
Today the media made him the "immortal". same mistake mush is doing now. if he leaves quietly, ppp and ganja will win the popularity contest. he stays to fight and sh|t is back into ppp and ganja's hand. But what mushy dont realize is that these jackals are out for hunt. They dont care that they lose the popularity vote ultimately. All they care is that he is impeeched. thanks to the great and amazing memory of our people of pakistan. no one going to remember that how good or bad mush was. Cause remember: bhutto was brought down by relentless protests of the people and they were very very happy on his hanging; on zia death lots and lots of people were sad; in BB'a life, lot of people would volunteer to kill her; at the end of day, in Gen. Zia time,there was lot more national economic stability than any of the "jumhoori" governments of BB and NZ and mushy.
so how many things from above do you remember????? today we have "people's hero bhutto", "evil rule of zia and evil zia", "shaheed bb" and list goes on.
so thanks to our collective memory, we can mold anyone into anything just give us a year.
And Ayaz Amir is the one who was kicked out of Army.
And he is the one who had been spitting venom against Pakistan Army for the last many years/.
And NOW Ayaz Amir is a person who is now member of PML-N party of Nawaz Sharif and Ayaz Amir is an MPA from Nawaz party.
And he is the one who had been spitting venom against Pakistan Army for the last many years/.
And NOW Ayaz Amir is a person who is now member of PML-N party of Nawaz Sharif and Ayaz Amir is an MPA from Nawaz party.
Take your pick:
Khaleej Times http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...on_August64.xml
The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...ed=networkfront
Also in The News (Jang).
Charlatans of Democracy
Triumphalism over a Musharraf impeachment won't hide the failings of Pakistan's ruling coalition
Fatima Bhutto The Guardian, Friday August 15 2008
The murky abyss of Pakistani politics has been especially murky over recent months, and true to form it just keeps getting murkier. The one thing that is absolute when dealing with the dregs that run my country is this: nothing is ever as it seems. Nowhere is that more true than in the current scenario involving President Musharraf's likely impeachment by the ruling coalition.
"It has become imperative to move for impeachment," barked Benazir Bhutto's widower, Asif Zardari, at a press conference in Islamabad last week. Sitting beside the new head of the Pakistan People's party was Nawaz Sharif, twice formerly prime minister of Pakistan. Zardari snarled every time Musharraf's name came up, seething with political rage and righteousness, while Sharif did his best to keep up with the pace of things. He nodded sombrely and harrumphed every once in a while. The two men are acting for democracy, you see. And impeaching dictators is a good thing for democracies, you know.
But Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are unelected. They're not just unrepresentative in that they don't hold seats in the parliament - they have absolutely no mandate in Pakistan. They head the two largest, and most corrupt, parties in the state but hold no public office. Pots and kettles.
The rest of the coterie that wields power behind this administration, the attorney general and the interior minister for instance, also happen to be unelected. They serve, and I use the term ever so lightly, by appointment only. Some 170 million Pakistanis have lived under military rule of law for nine years. Musharraf stepping down from his army post has not changed that. Neither did the recent selections. Sorry, I meant elections, obviously.
The current administration - a party coalition comprising two formerly mortal enemies, the PPP and the PML - has enjoyed five months in office. And what has this thriving democratic union accomplished? It passed the National Reconciliation Ordinance, an odious piece of legislation that wipes out 15 years' worth of corruption cases against politicians, suspiciously covering 11 years of PPP and PML rule. Bankers and bureaucrats were also given the all-clear. Worse still, the ordinance contains a clause that makes it virtually impossible for future charges to be filed against sitting parliamentarians.
But they must have done more than that, surely? Well, all that really changed is that food inflation has accelerated, oil subsidies have been cut, gas prices have doubled, and those pesky militants in the Swat district the tribal regions have turned up the fighting. Several days before the decision to impeach Musharraf hurtled through the airwaves, a small story came in from the tribal areas: the militants are close, the story said, they've vowed to target the government, even to the point of attacking state schools. This is a civil war, the story said.
So what does the government do when its country appears to be tearing apart at the seams? Go on the attack. Impeach the tyrant. "The period of oppression is over for ever," declared the prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani, at an event marking 61 years of Pakistani independence yesterday. "Dictatorship has become a story of the past." Deny everything. Nothing is wrong, democracy is good and we hate dictators. Well done.
Pakistan is a sovereign country. We are a proud, resourceful, independent nation. We have options. Zardari is not an option. Sharif is not an option. The army is not our one and only option. The mullahs have not become an option yet. There are close to 200 million of us: I'm sure we can think of something better.
Fatima Bhutto is a poet and a columnist for the News in Pakistan
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Charlatans of Democracy
Triumphalism over a Musharraf impeachment won't hide the failings of Pakistan's ruling coalition
Fatima Bhutto The Guardian, Friday August 15 2008
The murky abyss of Pakistani politics has been especially murky over recent months, and true to form it just keeps getting murkier. The one thing that is absolute when dealing with the dregs that run my country is this: nothing is ever as it seems. Nowhere is that more true than in the current scenario involving President Musharraf's likely impeachment by the ruling coalition.
"It has become imperative to move for impeachment," barked Benazir Bhutto's widower, Asif Zardari, at a press conference in Islamabad last week. Sitting beside the new head of the Pakistan People's party was Nawaz Sharif, twice formerly prime minister of Pakistan. Zardari snarled every time Musharraf's name came up, seething with political rage and righteousness, while Sharif did his best to keep up with the pace of things. He nodded sombrely and harrumphed every once in a while. The two men are acting for democracy, you see. And impeaching dictators is a good thing for democracies, you know.
But Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are unelected. They're not just unrepresentative in that they don't hold seats in the parliament - they have absolutely no mandate in Pakistan. They head the two largest, and most corrupt, parties in the state but hold no public office. Pots and kettles.
The rest of the coterie that wields power behind this administration, the attorney general and the interior minister for instance, also happen to be unelected. They serve, and I use the term ever so lightly, by appointment only. Some 170 million Pakistanis have lived under military rule of law for nine years. Musharraf stepping down from his army post has not changed that. Neither did the recent selections. Sorry, I meant elections, obviously.
The current administration - a party coalition comprising two formerly mortal enemies, the PPP and the PML - has enjoyed five months in office. And what has this thriving democratic union accomplished? It passed the National Reconciliation Ordinance, an odious piece of legislation that wipes out 15 years' worth of corruption cases against politicians, suspiciously covering 11 years of PPP and PML rule. Bankers and bureaucrats were also given the all-clear. Worse still, the ordinance contains a clause that makes it virtually impossible for future charges to be filed against sitting parliamentarians.
But they must have done more than that, surely? Well, all that really changed is that food inflation has accelerated, oil subsidies have been cut, gas prices have doubled, and those pesky militants in the Swat district the tribal regions have turned up the fighting. Several days before the decision to impeach Musharraf hurtled through the airwaves, a small story came in from the tribal areas: the militants are close, the story said, they've vowed to target the government, even to the point of attacking state schools. This is a civil war, the story said.
So what does the government do when its country appears to be tearing apart at the seams? Go on the attack. Impeach the tyrant. "The period of oppression is over for ever," declared the prime minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani, at an event marking 61 years of Pakistani independence yesterday. "Dictatorship has become a story of the past." Deny everything. Nothing is wrong, democracy is good and we hate dictators. Well done.
Pakistan is a sovereign country. We are a proud, resourceful, independent nation. We have options. Zardari is not an option. Sharif is not an option. The army is not our one and only option. The mullahs have not become an option yet. There are close to 200 million of us: I'm sure we can think of something better.
Fatima Bhutto is a poet and a columnist for the News in Pakistan
August 16, 2008 Saturday Sha'aban 13, 1429
Musharraf finds unlikely supporter in Fatima Bhutto http://dawn.com/2008/08/16/top16.htm
By Our Special Correspondent
LONDON, Aug 15: General (retd) Pervez Musharraf has found a most unlikely supporter in this hour of trial in Fatima Bhutto, niece of assassinated former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, trashing the democratic and moral credentials of Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif to impeach the president.
In an article, ‘Charlatans of democracy’ published in the Guardian on Friday, an angry Fatima who is convinced that Asif was instrumental in the assassination of her father Murtaza Bhutto, has tried to put Asif and Nawaz in the dock in a case in which they are not the accused.
“But Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are unelected. They’re not just unrepresentative in that they don’t hold seats in the parliament - they have absolutely no mandate in Pakistan. They head the two largest, and most corrupt, parties in the state but hold no public office.
“The rest of the coterie that wields power behind this administration, the attorney general and the interior minister for instance, also happen to be unelected.
“They serve, and I use the term ever so lightly, by appointment only."
Musharraf finds unlikely supporter in Fatima Bhutto http://dawn.com/2008/08/16/top16.htm
By Our Special Correspondent
LONDON, Aug 15: General (retd) Pervez Musharraf has found a most unlikely supporter in this hour of trial in Fatima Bhutto, niece of assassinated former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, trashing the democratic and moral credentials of Asif Ali Zardari and Nawaz Sharif to impeach the president.
In an article, ‘Charlatans of democracy’ published in the Guardian on Friday, an angry Fatima who is convinced that Asif was instrumental in the assassination of her father Murtaza Bhutto, has tried to put Asif and Nawaz in the dock in a case in which they are not the accused.
“But Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are unelected. They’re not just unrepresentative in that they don’t hold seats in the parliament - they have absolutely no mandate in Pakistan. They head the two largest, and most corrupt, parties in the state but hold no public office.
“The rest of the coterie that wields power behind this administration, the attorney general and the interior minister for instance, also happen to be unelected.
“They serve, and I use the term ever so lightly, by appointment only."
Musherraf might have mistakes throughout his presidency for about 10 years but he is credible for improving relations with China and investing on key defense projects. He is also strict enough to sustain a war against talibs although he acted late about it. Is your current govt. trustable enough to continue to improve relationship with China and fight strictly against the primitive talibs? It is for you to decide but as I observe taleban symphatisers are the first ones who want to overthrow Musherraf. Currently the operations against taleban gained momentum and this kind of an action would hurt your stability in my opinion and you know that stability of Pakistan is not very essential(or maybe the opposite is essential but we don't have solid proof) for US. After taleban-aquada is completely neutralised in your area and you cut financial-ideological support for it to stop it from growing again then it would be a better time for Musherraf to step down. You can also see the motives and policies of your government as time passes and if you trust them you elect them again that time but it is too risky in this volatile situation of Pakistan.
QUOTE(sobank @ Aug 16 2008, 06:37 PM)
You need to understand. propaganda is a very powerful tool.
bhutto has done nothing for pakistan. even the very atomic program that 99% of the people jump about, is not started by him. just like Gen. zia didnt start it. now whenever you hear the story of "bhutto's bravery", also remember that many close friends of bhutto thought and told bhutto that he is delusional by thinking he is not going to be hanged. but bhutto thought he cant be touched. And till last second he believed that he will let go.
Today the media made him the "immortal". same mistake mush is doing now. if he leaves quietly, ppp and ganja will win the popularity contest. he stays to fight and sh|t is back into ppp and ganja's hand. But what mushy dont realize is that these jackals are out for hunt. They dont care that they lose the popularity vote ultimately. All they care is that he is impeeched. thanks to the great and amazing memory of our people of pakistan. no one going to remember that how good or bad mush was. Cause remember: bhutto was brought down by relentless protests of the people and they were very very happy on his hanging; on zia death lots and lots of people were sad; in BB'a life, lot of people would volunteer to kill her; at the end of day, in Gen. Zia time,there was lot more national economic stability than any of the "jumhoori" governments of BB and NZ and mushy.
so how many things from above do you remember????? today we have "people's hero bhutto", "evil rule of zia and evil zia", "shaheed bb" and list goes on.
so thanks to our collective memory, we can mold anyone into anything just give us a year.
bhutto has done nothing for pakistan. even the very atomic program that 99% of the people jump about, is not started by him. just like Gen. zia didnt start it. now whenever you hear the story of "bhutto's bravery", also remember that many close friends of bhutto thought and told bhutto that he is delusional by thinking he is not going to be hanged. but bhutto thought he cant be touched. And till last second he believed that he will let go.
Today the media made him the "immortal". same mistake mush is doing now. if he leaves quietly, ppp and ganja will win the popularity contest. he stays to fight and sh|t is back into ppp and ganja's hand. But what mushy dont realize is that these jackals are out for hunt. They dont care that they lose the popularity vote ultimately. All they care is that he is impeeched. thanks to the great and amazing memory of our people of pakistan. no one going to remember that how good or bad mush was. Cause remember: bhutto was brought down by relentless protests of the people and they were very very happy on his hanging; on zia death lots and lots of people were sad; in BB'a life, lot of people would volunteer to kill her; at the end of day, in Gen. Zia time,there was lot more national economic stability than any of the "jumhoori" governments of BB and NZ and mushy.
so how many things from above do you remember????? today we have "people's hero bhutto", "evil rule of zia and evil zia", "shaheed bb" and list goes on.
so thanks to our collective memory, we can mold anyone into anything just give us a year.
I never said that bhutto was a great legend to be revered and held close to heart what i said is that i truly favor President and want with all my heart that he wins. Musharraf is in a very difficult situation and he cant leave the nation to these hyenas he has to stay b/c if he resigns then all the work done in 8 years will be washed away before we can say democracy.
I do not want these hyenas to win, and by your saying that mushy not realizing that they are out for hunt, he knew what he was going to be put through when he made the deal and NRO and allowed these scum's back he was the chief of armed staff and if i and you can make that out then he can definitely make it out too. He was forced to make those deals if we recall the pressure being put in by USA and other countries.
AS i said and i am verry sorry to say it again "BEGGARS CAN NOT BE CHOOSERS " and thats exactly what we have become a dead nation who begs to live another day. May Allah lift this curse on us and guide us to the path of self sustenance Ameen
"if he resigns then all the work done in 8 years will be washed away"
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 10:12 AM)
"if he resigns then all the work done in 8 years will be washed away"
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
No, the disaster with his hair do!!!
Eight years of work washed away :)
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 12:39 PM)
Eight years of work washed away :)
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
First you need to hose the sh!t (zardari) off the ground...before scrubbing off the dust (Musharraf).
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 10:12 PM)
"if he resigns then all the work done in 8 years will be washed away"
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
Exactly the junk he had to deal with(thanx to the previous govts.) and then making the infrastructure work itself is a great task. You can go on harping that not a single megawatt of electricity is added to the grid like many people or you can look into the steps he took to ensure that plants may be set for power generation with setup of small dams.
Well the democratic leeches are in the gov lets see any new venture they get into to increase the power generation.
He did not timely take the necessary action to start the power projects but not all blame should befall him after all it was the world pressure to bring in a bunch of elected goons and form a parliament so that Pakistan could continue to receive aid, trade and investment. Making them work properly and on top of it supervising all the development is in itself a great feat lets see any of the current scum lot doo any better.
Their first achievement,
"LOSS OF 6 BILLION $ OF FOREIGN RESERVE, INCREASE OF SOME 5 BILLION $ DEBT IN SPITE OF REMOVAL OF SUBSIDY ON FUEL THAT HAS A DAMPENING EFFECT ON THE FOREX. NOW DO THE MATHS WE HAVE ALREADY LOST 11 BILLION DOLLARS IN 6 MONTHS MINUS THE SUBSIDY AND THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF STOPPING"
NOW THATS AN A RANK ACHIEVEMENT & IF THAT IS PROGRESS THEN
GO ... MUSHARRAF GO!
QUOTE(Mark Sien @ Aug 16 2008, 10:59 PM)
First you need to hose the sh!t (zardari) off the ground...before scrubbing off the dust (Musharraf).
Well you forgot another class of sh!t aka NS
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 10:39 AM)
Eight years of work washed away :)
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
Hope they use soap... Life bouy...
How about your inhouse production...........LASSI ?????
even if musharraf goes,what other choices do u have to bring up???
You don't need a choice, for Presidents.
Rafiq Tarar, Farooq Leghari, were all Presidents, and we didn't know either.
Probably Chairman of The Senate, constituitionally; Muhammad Mian Soomro.
Rafiq Tarar, Farooq Leghari, were all Presidents, and we didn't know either.
Probably Chairman of The Senate, constituitionally; Muhammad Mian Soomro.
he would just be a puppet to zardari i guess
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 11:12 AM)
"if he resigns then all the work done in 8 years will be washed away"
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
You mean the wonders he's done with our electricity grid??
His he to blame or PML Q or the utility companies? I think PML Q was voted out.
And also give credit where its due, the business community have been happy with his rule. Only with the coalition coming into power they have stopped supporting him due to obvious reasons.
LASTLY give him safe exit and be allowed to livein country, I think reason why they wont is because people will relise he was much better. Heck people have forgot about NS and BB contribution to Pakistan. P.S in 1990s Pak had power shortages, even when economy grew very slowly.
QUOTE(GreenBeret @ Aug 16 2008, 02:39 PM)
he would just be a puppet to zardari i guess
A puppet with 58B can at times pull his own strings.
Remember how Farooq Leghari pulled the strings once to make Benazir dance?
QUOTE(Danish Moazzam @ Aug 16 2008, 10:28 PM)
"LOSS OF 6 BILLION $ OF FOREIGN RESERVE, INCREASE OF SOME 5 BILLION $ DEBT IN SPITE OF REMOVAL OF SUBSIDY ON FUEL THAT HAS A DAMPENING EFFECT ON THE FOREX. NOW DO THE MATHS WE HAVE ALREADY LOST 11 BILLION DOLLARS IN 6 MONTHS MINUS THE SUBSIDY AND THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF STOPPING"
NOW THATS AN A RANK ACHIEVEMENT & IF THAT IS PROGRESS THEN
GO ... MUSHARRAF GO!
NOW THATS AN A RANK ACHIEVEMENT & IF THAT IS PROGRESS THEN
GO ... MUSHARRAF GO!
I've already talked about this before... cant go on saying the same thing again and again and again...
Right now, the electricity is off for about 6 hours a day... Thats in Lahore DHA... Cities sey bahar nikal jain to aur bhi ziada burra haal hay...
someone i know is currently paying out 10K rishwat a day for electricity or his factory will shut down... Most others cant really afford the amount... So guess what... their factories have shut down...
manufacturing k andar aap china ko beat kerna chahtey hain; where the electricity costs are zip...
In order to make up for electricity problems; we have a generator for our office... Our bill for keeping 40-50 desktops working is about 90,000 a month... generator servicing iss k ilawa...
That 90 K was before the latest price increase; btw... That means that our office alone imports 90,000 worth of diesel every month... The production cost for goods has increased for ---every good--- across the table...
The only person responsible is Moshe... You know why I dont blame the utility companies?? Cause I used to work for descon which did the mangla dam raising, mirani dam and the satpara... I know that wapda has been raising alot of hell about the issue since the late 90s... The only reason we're where we are today is due to criminal incompetence / negligence...
Please GO MUSHARRAF GO!
How can you say that he did nothing?
He privatised the electric producers ... so they would have their own incentive to invest in our electricity infrastructure.
and did i mention that he worked his balls off to get hte damns done. All the feasibility studies for all these dams including the Bahsha dam and the Kalabagh dam
Did i mention that he finished various other projects including Ghazi Barotha Project.
What about IPI and TAP gas lines?
you can stick your head under the sand all you want, but reality will always be much different than your brain washed imaginary land where Hamid Mir is the President, Shahid Masood the Prime Minister and Kashif abbasi as Cheif Justice
He privatised the electric producers ... so they would have their own incentive to invest in our electricity infrastructure.
and did i mention that he worked his balls off to get hte damns done. All the feasibility studies for all these dams including the Bahsha dam and the Kalabagh dam
Did i mention that he finished various other projects including Ghazi Barotha Project.
What about IPI and TAP gas lines?
you can stick your head under the sand all you want, but reality will always be much different than your brain washed imaginary land where Hamid Mir is the President, Shahid Masood the Prime Minister and Kashif abbasi as Cheif Justice
Actually had family involved in the Ghazi Barotha project...
Lekin the fact is that not enough was done... If there's a fire infront of you; you dont try to extinguish it with a couple of drops...
Abb hamari requirement would be 40,000 megawatts... kalabagh would have helped to the tune of 3000-4000 megawatts... We could have handled it 6 years ago...
Abb nahin...
Notice the number of dams, india is constructing... Bijli is our first problem... Abhi crops ka issue nahin aya...
Lekin the fact is that not enough was done... If there's a fire infront of you; you dont try to extinguish it with a couple of drops...
Abb hamari requirement would be 40,000 megawatts... kalabagh would have helped to the tune of 3000-4000 megawatts... We could have handled it 6 years ago...
Abb nahin...
Notice the number of dams, india is constructing... Bijli is our first problem... Abhi crops ka issue nahin aya...
Daal ki shortage is possible but beef ka issue not ho ga!!!
We Pakistanis must bring the bovine into everything...
We have to have them in our films (In the shape of the luscious saema); then we have the gaye soap and then theres bong...
Cant really understand how people can stand to eat the bong... I think we have deeper relationship with the bovine than our neighbours...
We have to have them in our films (In the shape of the luscious saema); then we have the gaye soap and then theres bong...
Cant really understand how people can stand to eat the bong... I think we have deeper relationship with the bovine than our neighbours...
Yes, we use it as our mirror image!!!
QUOTE(GreenBeret @ Aug 16 2008, 01:19 PM)
even if musharraf goes,what other choices do u have to bring up???
You are a good choice if Musharaf goes, for that matter, most on this forum are more senisble than the poloticians.
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 16 2008, 03:18 PM)
I've already talked about this before... cant go on saying the same thing again and again and again...
Right now, the electricity is off for about 6 hours a day... Thats in Lahore DHA... Cities sey bahar nikal jain to aur bhi ziada burra haal hay...
someone i know is currently paying out 10K rishwat a day for electricity or his factory will shut down... Most others cant really afford the amount... So guess what... their factories have shut down...
manufacturing k andar aap china ko beat kerna chahtey hain; where the electricity costs are zip...
In order to make up for electricity problems; we have a generator for our office... Our bill for keeping 40-50 desktops working is about 90,000 a month... generator servicing iss k ilawa...
That 90 K was before the latest price increase; btw... That means that our office alone imports 90,000 worth of diesel every month... The production cost for goods has increased for ---every good--- across the table...
The only person responsible is Moshe... You know why I dont blame the utility companies?? Cause I used to work for descon which did the mangla dam raising, mirani dam and the satpara... I know that wapda has been raising alot of hell about the issue since the late 90s... The only reason we're where we are today is due to criminal incompetence / negligence...
Please GO MUSHARRAF GO!
Right now, the electricity is off for about 6 hours a day... Thats in Lahore DHA... Cities sey bahar nikal jain to aur bhi ziada burra haal hay...
someone i know is currently paying out 10K rishwat a day for electricity or his factory will shut down... Most others cant really afford the amount... So guess what... their factories have shut down...
manufacturing k andar aap china ko beat kerna chahtey hain; where the electricity costs are zip...
In order to make up for electricity problems; we have a generator for our office... Our bill for keeping 40-50 desktops working is about 90,000 a month... generator servicing iss k ilawa...
That 90 K was before the latest price increase; btw... That means that our office alone imports 90,000 worth of diesel every month... The production cost for goods has increased for ---every good--- across the table...
The only person responsible is Moshe... You know why I dont blame the utility companies?? Cause I used to work for descon which did the mangla dam raising, mirani dam and the satpara... I know that wapda has been raising alot of hell about the issue since the late 90s... The only reason we're where we are today is due to criminal incompetence / negligence...
Please GO MUSHARRAF GO!
Man you have an unhealthy fixation with Musharraf. PML Q was giving the role of governing Pakistan. I think you in the school of thought that thinks Musharraf runs the country, singlehandedly. There are many layers of government, elected and non elected. Thus when give a order things take time. Plus govt contracts usually are delayed and over budget. Have you heard of contracts completed before deadline and are underbudget? (Globally)
You credit him for the bad things what about the positives? What does criminal incompetence and negligance mean just emotive slogans that people throw about to win an argument. Recently there was an article stating the new government is expecting new capacity to come online by next year initiating by previous govt. Thus are not giving out many new contracts. So you will rather support a govt that lied by saying previous govt did not add a megawatt. This massive lie is a bad precedent.
moazam: the bhutto comment was to show the general attitude of our people. you talk about mushy etc. and i am telling you that no matter what happens, our people will be forgotten in less than a year. why go far back in history, just go a year back. From ##### Baynazir to Shaheed Baynazir, all it took is one bullet.
QUOTE(Mangla @ Aug 17 2008, 04:26 AM)
Man you have an unhealthy fixation with Musharraf. PML Q was giving the role of governing Pakistan. I think you in the school of thought that thinks Musharraf runs the country, singlehandedly. There are many layers of government, elected and non elected. Thus when give a order things take time. Plus govt contracts usually are delayed and over budget. Have you heard of contracts completed before deadline and are underbudget? (Globally)
You credit him for the bad things what about the positives? What does criminal incompetence and negligance mean just emotive slogans that people throw about to win an argument. Recently there was an article stating the new government is expecting new capacity to come online by next year initiating by previous govt. Thus are not giving out many new contracts. So you will rather support a govt that lied by saying previous govt did not add a megawatt. This massive lie is a bad precedent.
You credit him for the bad things what about the positives? What does criminal incompetence and negligance mean just emotive slogans that people throw about to win an argument. Recently there was an article stating the new government is expecting new capacity to come online by next year initiating by previous govt. Thus are not giving out many new contracts. So you will rather support a govt that lied by saying previous govt did not add a megawatt. This massive lie is a bad precedent.
In any organization; blame travels upwards... Believe it...
Agar aap kay model per chalain; to phir to kissi ka koi kasoor nahin... Everyone has a damn good excuse... Moshe wants the top slot... He does not want to hold the responsibility which comes with that...
And this is the modern take on things... A person who's at the top should be like water... When he encounters hurdles which he can not overtake; he should go around them... Lekin all of this should be for the betterment of Pakistan; not himself...
Hazrat Umar also said that he is responsible for a dog dying of thirst in his domain...
QUOTE(Shehz @ Aug 16 2008, 11:29 PM)
You don't need a choice, for Presidents.
Rafiq Tarar, Farooq Leghari, were all Presidents, and we didn't know either.
Probably Chairman of The Senate, constituitionally; Muhammad Mian Soomro.
Rafiq Tarar, Farooq Leghari, were all Presidents, and we didn't know either.
Probably Chairman of The Senate, constituitionally; Muhammad Mian Soomro.
nah Mr thug 100% is mulling to forward the name of Monkey faced Sherry Rehman for president
QUOTE(Shehz @ Aug 17 2008, 01:12 AM)
A puppet with 58B can at times pull his own strings.
Remember how Farooq Leghari pulled the strings once to make Benazir dance?
Remember how Farooq Leghari pulled the strings once to make Benazir dance?
zardari wont let that happen this time.u think that wudnt be in back of his mind.
QUOTE(Sufi @ Aug 17 2008, 03:09 AM)
You are a good choice if Musharaf goes, for that matter, most on this forum are more senisble than the poloticians.
yar i was serious.these political parties will not let other parties even breathe in this country so no new faces at all.
NO . NO.
Mush must stay. He is a fighter and I am sure he will come up trumps.
People forget that we bordering on a failed state when he came to power.
The image of Pakistan has improved because of his actions.
Mush is a true statesman - unlike the rat Nawaz who can't even put two sentence together.
Remember the slaps he got from Clinton - Nawaz is a cry baby.
Zardari in my opinion is the devil in disguise.
Long Live Musharraf.
Mush must stay. He is a fighter and I am sure he will come up trumps.
People forget that we bordering on a failed state when he came to power.
The image of Pakistan has improved because of his actions.
Mush is a true statesman - unlike the rat Nawaz who can't even put two sentence together.
Remember the slaps he got from Clinton - Nawaz is a cry baby.
Zardari in my opinion is the devil in disguise.
Long Live Musharraf.
QUOTE(akthus @ Aug 17 2008, 03:04 AM)
NO . NO.
Mush must stay. He is a fighter and I am sure he will come up trumps.
People forget that we bordering on a failed state when he came to power.
The image of Pakistan has improved because of his actions.
Mush is a true statesman - unlike the rat Nawaz who can't even put two sentence together.
Remember the slaps he got from Clinton - Nawaz is a cry baby.
Zardari in my opinion is the devil in disguise.
Long Live Musharraf.
Mush must stay. He is a fighter and I am sure he will come up trumps.
People forget that we bordering on a failed state when he came to power.
The image of Pakistan has improved because of his actions.
Mush is a true statesman - unlike the rat Nawaz who can't even put two sentence together.
Remember the slaps he got from Clinton - Nawaz is a cry baby.
Zardari in my opinion is the devil in disguise.
Long Live Musharraf.
I will say "Ameen" to that any day!
QUOTE(sobank @ Aug 17 2008, 05:32 AM)
moazam: the bhutto comment was to show the general attitude of our people. you talk about mushy etc. and i am telling you that no matter what happens, our people will be forgotten in less than a year. why go far back in history, just go a year back. From ##### Baynazir to Shaheed Baynazir, all it took is one bullet.
That is indeed a great achievement i will have to agree that people here have a memory span smaller than that of a goldfish. And the Shaheed crap with BB shows the power media exercises today and still is unable to put that to good use and we expect miracles coming from these scums. May be People will be calling Mush back afterall in next 3 to 4 years after retrying both NS and Zardari again.
whose pic is in your avatar is it Sultan Golden?
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=130401
A new home for Musharraf
Sunday, August 17, 2008
Dr Farrukh Saleem
Brother Bush hasn’t been returning calls for the past three weeks. The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is willing to offer safe custody but no more. The Mayor of Greater Istanbul is in no mood to attract Al Qaeda to Anatolia. In Islamabad, the five-foot-one-inch tall woman, the very face of American awe in this country, is trying to secure security for Uncle Sam’s most supple of nephews. An ex-high commissioner, Mark Lyall Grant, the grandson of Sir Lyall (Lyallpur was named after this lieutenant-governor of Punjab), is also trying to jump-start his long-lost colonial sway to get Musharraf legal immunity. Sadly, Chak Shahzad isn’t secure to secure a mortal with a thousand suicidal foes. Then, the chateau at the Chak Shahzad farm isn’t ready yet either.
The capital city of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would be nice and cosy. Surely, Haqqani won’t travel 393 miles to be in the arrival lounge at the Logan International Airport but Bilal, Iram and their two kids would be. Hopefully, Bilal won’t have problems with the airport security as he did in San Francisco when security personnel thought Bilal had diaper bags lined with TNT. Bilal’s two-bedroom flat in Canton isn’t big enough to hold a Boston Tea Party but then the guest list has shrunk since the day Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry (de jure) was made dysfunctional. Barry Hoffman, consul general at Consulate General of Pakistan, won’t be attending either. Shaheen Sehbai may, however, be willing to celebrate.
Politically, America would prefer not to muddy her pure democratic soil by hosting an ex-military dictator. But, if no one else is willing to take in Uncle Sam’s one-time favourite cuddle, Boston or Houston may have to host his exile.
Living on the coast of the Red Sea would be safe, sound and secure. After all, Saudi Arabia has hosted the exiles of a dozen Muslim oppressors. But, Jeddah’s Saroor Palace is haunted by the spirit of you know who. Then there is the climate issue; Jeddah is very hot in winter and extremely hot in summer. Then there is the lifestyle issue; the wahabi state may just be too restrictive, too conservative for the ‘enlightened’ Musharrafs.
Living right next to the Bosphorus Strait would be fun as well as festive. How exciting, Istanbul is the only major city in the whole wide world which is on two continents. Musharraf speaks the language and has childhood memories. Istanbul has a Mediterranean climate and lifestyle won’t be an issue. Istanbul has night life, live concerts, rave parties, jazz, cocktails, fandango and the whole lot. Musharraf can tell the Chaudhrys and friends — the three that are left — to ‘meet him where the continents meet’. But, Tayyip Erdogan is a chicken; too afraid that Musharraf’s presence might attract too many suicidal Islamists — dreaming of restoring the Caliphate — back to the final seat of the Islamic Caliphate. How about Izmir, right next to the Aegean Sea?
Could Nahr wali Haveli become a contending host as well? After all, Musharraf was born there in the midst of Kacha Saad Ullah Mohallah in Delhi. And, someone intelligent has now said that Musharraf has more voters in India than in Pakistan.
Then there’s London, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Paris. How about Karachi, the one-time city of lights? Musharraf has a fully-carpeted bungalow there — currently available for rent — with a 100 KVA generator (that can run at least 20 air conditioners). But, Karachi has a large Pashtun population and securing the bungalow would be a major challenge. Then there’s Bahawalpur? Everyone knows that Musharraf was the chief of the army staff, the chief executive and the president — all rolled in one. But, Musharraf continues to be the numberdar of Chak 13 BC not too far from Bahawalpur. Then again, Bahawalpur is where Jaish-e-Mohammad is. All right, he is neither the chief of the army staff nor the chief executive and only three citizens of Pakistan want Musharraf to continue as the president — but don’t forget, he’s still the numberdar of Chak 13 BC.
P.S. Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington certainly cannot smuggle Aafia Siddiqui out of the Metropolitan Detention Centre (MDC). Looks like he is doing the best that can be done for a citizen of Pakistan who is in pre-trial detention.
The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com
A new home for Musharraf
Sunday, August 17, 2008
Dr Farrukh Saleem
Brother Bush hasn’t been returning calls for the past three weeks. The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is willing to offer safe custody but no more. The Mayor of Greater Istanbul is in no mood to attract Al Qaeda to Anatolia. In Islamabad, the five-foot-one-inch tall woman, the very face of American awe in this country, is trying to secure security for Uncle Sam’s most supple of nephews. An ex-high commissioner, Mark Lyall Grant, the grandson of Sir Lyall (Lyallpur was named after this lieutenant-governor of Punjab), is also trying to jump-start his long-lost colonial sway to get Musharraf legal immunity. Sadly, Chak Shahzad isn’t secure to secure a mortal with a thousand suicidal foes. Then, the chateau at the Chak Shahzad farm isn’t ready yet either.
The capital city of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would be nice and cosy. Surely, Haqqani won’t travel 393 miles to be in the arrival lounge at the Logan International Airport but Bilal, Iram and their two kids would be. Hopefully, Bilal won’t have problems with the airport security as he did in San Francisco when security personnel thought Bilal had diaper bags lined with TNT. Bilal’s two-bedroom flat in Canton isn’t big enough to hold a Boston Tea Party but then the guest list has shrunk since the day Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry (de jure) was made dysfunctional. Barry Hoffman, consul general at Consulate General of Pakistan, won’t be attending either. Shaheen Sehbai may, however, be willing to celebrate.
Politically, America would prefer not to muddy her pure democratic soil by hosting an ex-military dictator. But, if no one else is willing to take in Uncle Sam’s one-time favourite cuddle, Boston or Houston may have to host his exile.
Living on the coast of the Red Sea would be safe, sound and secure. After all, Saudi Arabia has hosted the exiles of a dozen Muslim oppressors. But, Jeddah’s Saroor Palace is haunted by the spirit of you know who. Then there is the climate issue; Jeddah is very hot in winter and extremely hot in summer. Then there is the lifestyle issue; the wahabi state may just be too restrictive, too conservative for the ‘enlightened’ Musharrafs.
Living right next to the Bosphorus Strait would be fun as well as festive. How exciting, Istanbul is the only major city in the whole wide world which is on two continents. Musharraf speaks the language and has childhood memories. Istanbul has a Mediterranean climate and lifestyle won’t be an issue. Istanbul has night life, live concerts, rave parties, jazz, cocktails, fandango and the whole lot. Musharraf can tell the Chaudhrys and friends — the three that are left — to ‘meet him where the continents meet’. But, Tayyip Erdogan is a chicken; too afraid that Musharraf’s presence might attract too many suicidal Islamists — dreaming of restoring the Caliphate — back to the final seat of the Islamic Caliphate. How about Izmir, right next to the Aegean Sea?
Could Nahr wali Haveli become a contending host as well? After all, Musharraf was born there in the midst of Kacha Saad Ullah Mohallah in Delhi. And, someone intelligent has now said that Musharraf has more voters in India than in Pakistan.
Then there’s London, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Paris. How about Karachi, the one-time city of lights? Musharraf has a fully-carpeted bungalow there — currently available for rent — with a 100 KVA generator (that can run at least 20 air conditioners). But, Karachi has a large Pashtun population and securing the bungalow would be a major challenge. Then there’s Bahawalpur? Everyone knows that Musharraf was the chief of the army staff, the chief executive and the president — all rolled in one. But, Musharraf continues to be the numberdar of Chak 13 BC not too far from Bahawalpur. Then again, Bahawalpur is where Jaish-e-Mohammad is. All right, he is neither the chief of the army staff nor the chief executive and only three citizens of Pakistan want Musharraf to continue as the president — but don’t forget, he’s still the numberdar of Chak 13 BC.
P.S. Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington certainly cannot smuggle Aafia Siddiqui out of the Metropolitan Detention Centre (MDC). Looks like he is doing the best that can be done for a citizen of Pakistan who is in pre-trial detention.
The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 17 2008, 05:17 AM)
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=130401
A new home for Musharraf
Sunday, August 17, 2008
Dr Farrukh Saleem
Brother Bush hasn’t been returning calls for the past three weeks. The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is willing to offer safe custody but no more. The Mayor of Greater Istanbul is in no mood to attract Al Qaeda to Anatolia. In Islamabad, the five-foot-one-inch tall woman, the very face of American awe in this country, is trying to secure security for Uncle Sam’s most supple of nephews. An ex-high commissioner, Mark Lyall Grant, the grandson of Sir Lyall (Lyallpur was named after this lieutenant-governor of Punjab), is also trying to jump-start his long-lost colonial sway to get Musharraf legal immunity. Sadly, Chak Shahzad isn’t secure to secure a mortal with a thousand suicidal foes. Then, the chateau at the Chak Shahzad farm isn’t ready yet either.
The capital city of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would be nice and cosy. Surely, Haqqani won’t travel 393 miles to be in the arrival lounge at the Logan International Airport but Bilal, Iram and their two kids would be. Hopefully, Bilal won’t have problems with the airport security as he did in San Francisco when security personnel thought Bilal had diaper bags lined with TNT. Bilal’s two-bedroom flat in Canton isn’t big enough to hold a Boston Tea Party but then the guest list has shrunk since the day Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry (de jure) was made dysfunctional. Barry Hoffman, consul general at Consulate General of Pakistan, won’t be attending either. Shaheen Sehbai may, however, be willing to celebrate.
Politically, America would prefer not to muddy her pure democratic soil by hosting an ex-military dictator. But, if no one else is willing to take in Uncle Sam’s one-time favourite cuddle, Boston or Houston may have to host his exile.
Living on the coast of the Red Sea would be safe, sound and secure. After all, Saudi Arabia has hosted the exiles of a dozen Muslim oppressors. But, Jeddah’s Saroor Palace is haunted by the spirit of you know who. Then there is the climate issue; Jeddah is very hot in winter and extremely hot in summer. Then there is the lifestyle issue; the wahabi state may just be too restrictive, too conservative for the ‘enlightened’ Musharrafs.
Living right next to the Bosphorus Strait would be fun as well as festive. How exciting, Istanbul is the only major city in the whole wide world which is on two continents. Musharraf speaks the language and has childhood memories. Istanbul has a Mediterranean climate and lifestyle won’t be an issue. Istanbul has night life, live concerts, rave parties, jazz, cocktails, fandango and the whole lot. Musharraf can tell the Chaudhrys and friends — the three that are left — to ‘meet him where the continents meet’. But, Tayyip Erdogan is a chicken; too afraid that Musharraf’s presence might attract too many suicidal Islamists — dreaming of restoring the Caliphate — back to the final seat of the Islamic Caliphate. How about Izmir, right next to the Aegean Sea?
Could Nahr wali Haveli become a contending host as well? After all, Musharraf was born there in the midst of Kacha Saad Ullah Mohallah in Delhi. And, someone intelligent has now said that Musharraf has more voters in India than in Pakistan.
Then there’s London, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Paris. How about Karachi, the one-time city of lights? Musharraf has a fully-carpeted bungalow there — currently available for rent — with a 100 KVA generator (that can run at least 20 air conditioners). But, Karachi has a large Pashtun population and securing the bungalow would be a major challenge. Then there’s Bahawalpur? Everyone knows that Musharraf was the chief of the army staff, the chief executive and the president — all rolled in one. But, Musharraf continues to be the numberdar of Chak 13 BC not too far from Bahawalpur. Then again, Bahawalpur is where Jaish-e-Mohammad is. All right, he is neither the chief of the army staff nor the chief executive and only three citizens of Pakistan want Musharraf to continue as the president — but don’t forget, he’s still the numberdar of Chak 13 BC.
P.S. Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington certainly cannot smuggle Aafia Siddiqui out of the Metropolitan Detention Centre (MDC). Looks like he is doing the best that can be done for a citizen of Pakistan who is in pre-trial detention.
The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com
A new home for Musharraf
Sunday, August 17, 2008
Dr Farrukh Saleem
Brother Bush hasn’t been returning calls for the past three weeks. The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques is willing to offer safe custody but no more. The Mayor of Greater Istanbul is in no mood to attract Al Qaeda to Anatolia. In Islamabad, the five-foot-one-inch tall woman, the very face of American awe in this country, is trying to secure security for Uncle Sam’s most supple of nephews. An ex-high commissioner, Mark Lyall Grant, the grandson of Sir Lyall (Lyallpur was named after this lieutenant-governor of Punjab), is also trying to jump-start his long-lost colonial sway to get Musharraf legal immunity. Sadly, Chak Shahzad isn’t secure to secure a mortal with a thousand suicidal foes. Then, the chateau at the Chak Shahzad farm isn’t ready yet either.
The capital city of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts would be nice and cosy. Surely, Haqqani won’t travel 393 miles to be in the arrival lounge at the Logan International Airport but Bilal, Iram and their two kids would be. Hopefully, Bilal won’t have problems with the airport security as he did in San Francisco when security personnel thought Bilal had diaper bags lined with TNT. Bilal’s two-bedroom flat in Canton isn’t big enough to hold a Boston Tea Party but then the guest list has shrunk since the day Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry (de jure) was made dysfunctional. Barry Hoffman, consul general at Consulate General of Pakistan, won’t be attending either. Shaheen Sehbai may, however, be willing to celebrate.
Politically, America would prefer not to muddy her pure democratic soil by hosting an ex-military dictator. But, if no one else is willing to take in Uncle Sam’s one-time favourite cuddle, Boston or Houston may have to host his exile.
Living on the coast of the Red Sea would be safe, sound and secure. After all, Saudi Arabia has hosted the exiles of a dozen Muslim oppressors. But, Jeddah’s Saroor Palace is haunted by the spirit of you know who. Then there is the climate issue; Jeddah is very hot in winter and extremely hot in summer. Then there is the lifestyle issue; the wahabi state may just be too restrictive, too conservative for the ‘enlightened’ Musharrafs.
Living right next to the Bosphorus Strait would be fun as well as festive. How exciting, Istanbul is the only major city in the whole wide world which is on two continents. Musharraf speaks the language and has childhood memories. Istanbul has a Mediterranean climate and lifestyle won’t be an issue. Istanbul has night life, live concerts, rave parties, jazz, cocktails, fandango and the whole lot. Musharraf can tell the Chaudhrys and friends — the three that are left — to ‘meet him where the continents meet’. But, Tayyip Erdogan is a chicken; too afraid that Musharraf’s presence might attract too many suicidal Islamists — dreaming of restoring the Caliphate — back to the final seat of the Islamic Caliphate. How about Izmir, right next to the Aegean Sea?
Could Nahr wali Haveli become a contending host as well? After all, Musharraf was born there in the midst of Kacha Saad Ullah Mohallah in Delhi. And, someone intelligent has now said that Musharraf has more voters in India than in Pakistan.
Then there’s London, Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Paris. How about Karachi, the one-time city of lights? Musharraf has a fully-carpeted bungalow there — currently available for rent — with a 100 KVA generator (that can run at least 20 air conditioners). But, Karachi has a large Pashtun population and securing the bungalow would be a major challenge. Then there’s Bahawalpur? Everyone knows that Musharraf was the chief of the army staff, the chief executive and the president — all rolled in one. But, Musharraf continues to be the numberdar of Chak 13 BC not too far from Bahawalpur. Then again, Bahawalpur is where Jaish-e-Mohammad is. All right, he is neither the chief of the army staff nor the chief executive and only three citizens of Pakistan want Musharraf to continue as the president — but don’t forget, he’s still the numberdar of Chak 13 BC.
P.S. Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington certainly cannot smuggle Aafia Siddiqui out of the Metropolitan Detention Centre (MDC). Looks like he is doing the best that can be done for a citizen of Pakistan who is in pre-trial detention.
The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com
Any thing new in the news???
well we learnt about the great weather near the bosphorous... and the night life is reportedly good...
Pitty, after all the rains, still no progress on the hair growth, but the "Kadoo" seems to be out growing itself!!!
I saw Afzar Mani show yesterday, and not a single live caller was anti-Musharaf and I watched show for 90 out of 120 mins.
Lets face it, Nawaz is putting Bin Laden funds to buy out the anchors and Shakeel ul rehman this time, rather than ISI.
Lets face it, Nawaz is putting Bin Laden funds to buy out the anchors and Shakeel ul rehman this time, rather than ISI.
QUOTE(GreenBeret @ Aug 17 2008, 04:26 AM)
zardari wont let that happen this time.u think that wudnt be in back of his mind.
If PPP had 2/3rd majority in the parliament, only then he may revoke it.
They are talking about impeachment and 2/3rd in both houses.
If they had it in just the parliament, before impeachment they'd targeted 58B first.
QUOTE(JANA @ Aug 17 2008, 04:17 AM)
nah Mr thug 100% is mulling to forward the name of Monkey faced Sherry Rehman for presidentSherry Rehman is the Minister for Information.
She'll have to first vacate that seat, and by-elections for that constituency will have to take place.
Then the parliament will vote for a President of their choice, hence SR leaving the slot makes PPP -1 vote.
Zardari is not as dumb as he projects himself to be.
He's just acting, to seem to be at par with the inteligensia of NS.
Rice says US asylum for Musharraf 'not on the table'
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday granting asylum to embattled President Pervez Musharraf was not currently under consideration by the United States.
"That's not an issue on the table, and I just want to keep our focus on what we must do with the democratic government of Pakistan," Rice told Fox News on Sunday when asked if Washington would give the president asylum.
She spoke as Pakistan's ruling coalition readied impeachment charges against Musharraf and gave him two days to step down.
Asked if it would be in the best interest of Pakistan to have Musharraf resign, Rice said: "This is a matter for the Pakistanis to resolve.
"We have been supportive of democratic elections that took place. In fact, advocated for them."
She said the United States had showed its support for the new government, citing President George W. Bush's recent meeting with premier Yousuf Raza Gilani.
Rice said "President Musharraf has been a good ally" but that Washington had disagreed with his decision to declare a state of emergency.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday granting asylum to embattled President Pervez Musharraf was not currently under consideration by the United States.
"That's not an issue on the table, and I just want to keep our focus on what we must do with the democratic government of Pakistan," Rice told Fox News on Sunday when asked if Washington would give the president asylum.
She spoke as Pakistan's ruling coalition readied impeachment charges against Musharraf and gave him two days to step down.
Asked if it would be in the best interest of Pakistan to have Musharraf resign, Rice said: "This is a matter for the Pakistanis to resolve.
"We have been supportive of democratic elections that took place. In fact, advocated for them."
She said the United States had showed its support for the new government, citing President George W. Bush's recent meeting with premier Yousuf Raza Gilani.
Rice said "President Musharraf has been a good ally" but that Washington had disagreed with his decision to declare a state of emergency.
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 17 2008, 01:21 AM)
In any organization; blame travels upwards... Believe it...
Agar aap kay model per chalain; to phir to kissi ka koi kasoor nahin... Everyone has a damn good excuse... Moshe wants the top slot... He does not want to hold the responsibility which comes with that...
And this is the modern take on things... A person who's at the top should be like water... When he encounters hurdles which he can not overtake; he should go around them... Lekin all of this should be for the betterment of Pakistan; not himself...
Hazrat Umar also said that he is responsible for a dog dying of thirst in his domain...
Agar aap kay model per chalain; to phir to kissi ka koi kasoor nahin... Everyone has a damn good excuse... Moshe wants the top slot... He does not want to hold the responsibility which comes with that...
And this is the modern take on things... A person who's at the top should be like water... When he encounters hurdles which he can not overtake; he should go around them... Lekin all of this should be for the betterment of Pakistan; not himself...
Hazrat Umar also said that he is responsible for a dog dying of thirst in his domain...
Your belief in that school of thought that Mushy was the master of everything in Pakistan. Is very strange. I think you are kidding yourself. It easy to blame others when things fail. It seems you are pinning the blame on one man. Why not blame engineers of Descon for underestimating the length of work? Why not the courts for allowing people to object to construction of dams? What about blaming people for not wanting land flooded? Etc, etc
It seems like you want a ruthless dictator and totalatarion system, where programmes if delayed could mean prision or death. All rights are stripped from people to protest or block programs that are "deemed vital for country". Even China suffered delays with Three gouges dam. You are asking for a leader more ruthless then Stalin. Seriously I know you do not want a ruthless dictatorship but if you want things to go smoothly, democracy is even worth.
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A person who's at the top should be like water... When he encounters hurdles which he can not overtake; he should go around them... Lekin all of this should be for the betterment of Pakistan; not himself...
You just admitted it yourself because going around usually means delays especially true with electricity sector. Am I right to interprete your quote that way?
QUOTE(JANA @ Aug 16 2008, 06:55 AM)
And Ayaz Amir is the one who was kicked out of Army.
And he is the one who had been spitting venom against Pakistan Army for the last many years/.
And NOW Ayaz Amir is a person who is now member of PML-N party of Nawaz Sharif and Ayaz Amir is an MPA from Nawaz party.
And he is the one who had been spitting venom against Pakistan Army for the last many years/.
And NOW Ayaz Amir is a person who is now member of PML-N party of Nawaz Sharif and Ayaz Amir is an MPA from Nawaz party.
LOL. Wow! That explains a lot. he is a chamcha of ganja. There you go. Everyone should treat this article for what its worth.
TRASH!
QUOTE(pakistanzindabaad @ Aug 17 2008, 01:06 PM)
LOl? So I am wrong? All I am doing is challenging you, thats it. Do not take it personally.
I do not care if he stays or goes. I will feel abit sad but once I sleep on it, I wont care. However you seemed to want to believe in something without questioning it. I relised long ago that there is no perfect leader or average person; only pros and cons. You have to make decision does the positives outweight the negatives or vice versa. I will admit it I am wrong in cases. Will you??
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