Many analysts opposed to musharraf were of the opinion that political and economic conditions of pakistan will improve if Musharraf quits. I disagreed with that opinion. However, I would love to be proven wrong. If situation of pakistan improves in post-Mush era, then that proves that majority of the pakistanis were right in their verdict on him on feb 18 and his supporters liek me were wrong. However, let's see if things really do improve.

Bro .... you wont be proved wrong .... unfortunately we have forsaken a man who was true and sincere to Pakistan .... we are a manhoos, baad-bakht, baad-naseeb qaum .... the jahil awam of Pakistan don't deserve a man like Musharraf .... only the jahil's were so blind that they were opposing him ...

I think we're an akal mand people...

Bro .... time will tell ....

its aqal mand

Time will tell brother. we are aqal mand or aqal band.

things aren't black n white.
Pakistani economy can get even better than Musharaf's time, if Current govt continues to be poodle of west for "WOT".
Pakistani people are against it, and they voted not for BB or Ganja, but they want to get out of this useless war.
You saw how our PM was humiliated during his last visit, and our insurance rates, credit rankings, IMF loans, and other finances are being choked to "keep us motivated towards this war".

I would call this a rape instead of friendship or cooperation.
If musharaf lovers started enjoying it during last few years, and Gilani calls it "our own war", its all bulshit.

it is not our war.
if we don't fight it, we have to pay the economic price.

easiest shortcut is, kill your own people, and get the bucks. this is what "Financial miracle" Musharaf did.
as a result, we are almost on the verge of breaking of Pakistan or a radical vs fauj type civil war.

nobody will be able to laugh if things contnue like this.....although US and many "enlighened moderates" here love to see it happen. Just imagine about a "lal masjid" at 1000 times larger scale.

War on terror, or the taleban ideology is our very own war.

Things such as WoT will continue, Pakistan will continue being very close to US. Not because our leaders our sellouts but because our traders can't find another place to export to.

And it was no financial miricle. Because lets face, UK has making instalments of the $3bn usd as democracy dividends. US has also started paying the $15 bn usd democracy bonus. And Japan already made a payment of 500 million USD after Feb 18 to these raccons. Saudis have already deffered all their oil payments. Yet have things changed? why can't these raccons orchestrate the same "Financial Miricle" as Musharaf? May be its too early ... waht do you we get back on this one in 6 months?

After almost 40 years, we still call out for Ayub Khan, remember Ganja was the front runner in marking Zia's anniversary, this year not even a mention of the event which incidentally was yesterday, the reason in case he offends his Gunda partner!
Parvez Musharraf, has left a legacy, decline, demanture, and depression has settled in for at least next 40 years!!!!

To all those nay Sayers (now that you know that your morally and socially bankrupt leaders) which you have elected will revert back to their nasty ways you are attacking a man who was in my eyes and many others like me (truly sincere to Pakistan). Like others have said, time will tell (who is aqal mand and who is aqal band).

I fear for the future of our country and have a stake in its survival and progression into a modern and sovereign nation state, my children and their children's identity depend on it, (I personally have had a good innings :)

You forgot to mention bewaquf, gadhay, aik number kay ullo...........

almost every Musharaf lover on this forum belongs to unexperienced age group. I would suggest to wait and see.
it will take you guys and gals some days to feel anything other from Musharaf for first time in life.
95% of 160 million people dancing on roads are not stupid.

for people worried about Economy, I would just say, an honorable yet poor houswife is far better than a rich whore.
and again, WOT was never our own war. when you say this it just tells about your 2-3 months of memory buffer. even Musharaf didn't say this.

speak for yourself ya ragining clown.

i didn't see your name in ....Who's who on PDF ... may be if you have achieved something, you'd grace that topic before calling some of the most educated bunch (including those who oppose musharaf) anything.

And one must not lie --- its anything but 95%.

the same 160 millions were dancing and distributing sweet when musharif came to power.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

I am not buying

because at most GEO (the penultimate haramkhoor channel on Nawaz's payroll) showed 5~6 people rejoicing

and every single family member and friend accross pakistan that i have called have nothing about regret about the entire episode.

And how can you ignore the ARY & DAWN surveys (Not IRI or other western surveys working CIA's agenda) showing 70~80% against his impeechment

Liked how Musharraf said "Khuda'hafiz" to Pakistan...

IE, regardless of anything said and done. this public of Pakistan deserve what they get. they want to experiment with the failure. By walking behind Gunja and Zardari they are subsidizing the poverty and failure and they will get more of both.

There is no awareness, no checks and balances, Government promising million housing schemes, chanting roti, kapera aur makan and no one dare to ask. wait just a minute where will the money come from? who will pay for it? no one dare to think that we should take responsibility of our own action and stand up for ourself.

these people will not learn. i have lost faith in the slave minded, british raj gora boot lickers.

My Pakistan ought to be a free nation, free from british raj, free from common law, free from fuedal lords, free from family own political pressure group who trade votes.

My Pakistan ought to be filled with the individuals who stand up for them self. they find problem as opportunities. who are nationalist, love their land, culture, language, tradition.

i find non of that in the current masses

That's like saying we should suffer because the majority are cretins.

As i said, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers

LOL. Good one.

Shumck apni harkato say baaz aajo bacha warna bohot bura haal ho ga aik din.
Dont assume about any member here who they are based on their affiliations to any leaders. You dont know who we members are in real life.
Enjoy this moment as you Mushy haters think that you have achieved a victory for yourself not realizing that Pakistan lost in the end.

If '10 percent' and his 'Ganja thug' partner together can give governance that would bring similar economical growth, similar increase in GDP, similar stable rupee exchange rate, similar stock market performance, similar increase in federal tax collection, similar increase in exports, similar increase in foreign exchange reserves, similar stagnation of national debt (foreign and local), similar increase in industrial productions ... and so on ... or even half of what was achieved during last 8 years of Musharraf rule, than I would forgive them even if they would loot and plunder. But fact is that what economical deterioration these thugs have brought to Pakistan in last 4 months, even recovering from that would be hard for these crooks.

It is well know that thugs like Nawaz and Zardari do not loot and plunder alone. These thugs are not stingy but very big hearted when distributing looted money and opportunities to loot. They love to share their loot and plunder with people close to them and buy loyalty of people around them. These thugs are like big magnets distributing magnetism (loot and plunder) to lesser piece of irons. Whoever rub their shoulders with them get a bit of their loot and plunder. Thus, all lesser crooks and thugs get attracted to them like little pieces of iron get attracted to big magnet and in return some of those iron pieces when rubbed with big magnet get some magnetism (loot and plunder).

So, worse is not that they have taken over Pakistan again, but worse is that we have many black sheep in Pakistan who know that these crooks only know to loot and plunder, still they support these crooks. I should not judge anyone, but from obvious it seems that either these sheep are too naive, misguided individuals, or have their own stakes with them (want share in loot and plunder).

As much as the people of pakistan complain about inequality of wealth and want democratic rule to provide the roti, kapra aur makaan. They at the same time are not aware of that democracy does not guarantees equal conditions, it guarantees equal opportunity which is totally opposite of what Zardari and gunja are bragging about to uneducated masses.

Musharraf could have gone into exile in any Western country, but would have to elaborate on imtimate details of our Nuke facilities and AQ Network.
What he said was golden, that even if he fought the impeachment charges, all he'd accomplish is political unstabilitry and the bitterness would retard Pakistan's progress.

Hence he resigned and opted to stay in Pakistan.
He is a patriot, there's not a doubt about it.

So much for he did everything for the kursi.

Namaste Pakistan http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...3-6-2005_pg7_34

NS Sold NWFP for 10 Mil, what's going to stop him from selling Kashmir? http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=nawaz_sharif

Brother you are absolutely right. These thugs (Nawaz and Zardari) are taking illusive poor Pakistani masses on ride. It is theoretical fact that democracy should bring equal opportunity to masses, but practical fact is that it never does. Worse in Pakistan is that, democracy is not even proper, it is farce democracy where unequal (Jageerdar, vaderays, Industrialists, gundays, Sardars, etc) rules equals (down trodden masses) who vote unequal because they (masses) depends on them (unequal) or are in their control for livelihood ... or are completely ignorant of the facts as Allah has made them human but they have made themselves Zombies and vote without thinking.

If one want to see the inequality of people in Pakistani democracy, one can see that in PPP where workers who spent their entire life working and struggling for PPP, even people like Amin Fahim who struggled throughout for PPP, helped Z A Bhutto into politics, and even declined Prime Minister slot in 2002 for party, is parliamentary leader of PPP, still he is not equal to Zardari or even Bilawal Zardari who did not even spent a single day struggling for PPP. This is called Pakistani democracy ... a family business for looting, plundering and making fool of masses.

Check this opinion section in BBC out guys and gals. Many around the globe have posted their views about Mushy's resignation and seems like majority of the Pakistanis supported him.

Source: BBC

Subsidizing poverty is extreme stupidity... And that is the path Zardari is on... No doubt...

Need to find a way between hard core capitalism (like the US) and the socialism...

I think we need to spend tons on educations (Maybe something like 20-30% of the GDP)... We have a ton of people... Lets use that asset in a constructive way like Singapore does...

What I would also personally like to see in Pakistan is the Justice for all concept... Bohut empower kerna hay judiciary aur policing system ko...

Saari kom durust ho jaye gi...

hahahaha ....... u guys r funny ...... :)

I mean is it so hard to believe that he is gone, where were all 5 of you (his supporters) when he needed you the most ....... tsk tsk

singing laurels of his greatness wont work now ...... ITS OVER!

JOKE OF THE DAY.

almost every Musharaf lover on this forum belongs to unexperienced age group. I would suggest to wait and see.
it will take you guys and gals some days to feel anything other from Musharaf for first time in life.
95% of 160 million people dancing on roads are not stupid.

95% Oooh.. can you see 152 million Pakistani dancing on the street ?

These who are celebrating are the Pakistani's who are seeking bribes, short cuts & source to get their things arranged. Now that they know that their own friends & relatives will be minting shortly money that's why they are out on the street wanting to enjoy the perks which will be handed out to them.

Believe me with everyday passed we will start to remember more & more Gen. Musharaff.

& I want to remind you guys & don't tell me it had to happen, he RESIGNED with held the office of President and as somebody mentioned he is the bravest of all .. Done over the Generals uniform, COAS (made the Army much stronger by revolving generals) & lastly the Presidency. Who has done all that in the history of Pakistan ?

My salute to my leader

Indeed it's over...what isn't over when you got the worst UNELECTED thugs in power over 200mn illiterates.

We well and truly know what Pakistan has lost, and know what's comming, it's you, who need to expect the un-expected, 'cas you'll be dancing and begging at the same time!

I beg to differ, one must not make assumptions, all you get to see is an avatar and some selected emotions... No one in my circle and my circle in Pakistan is pretty large was dancing like those lunatics on the street, abhi dekhna these very same people will be crying and torching cars when the %^&% hits the fan.

In reply to kilo19;

Your post does not even justify a decent rebuttal.

Some people are in illusion that thugs like NS and Zardari would work to develop and progress Pakistan. My question to them is:

Give me one reason thugs like NS and Zardari would do that? What they would gain out of making Pakistan prosperous and developed? They have invested billions (even if it was stolen billions) to spread their empire in Pakistan where millions work and depend on them for livelihood, and in return kiss their Arse like Zombies. These thugs have legacy to worry about. Both would love to rule Pakistani masses for generations. Both have wali-ahad waiting to take over their throne, and they have to think about Wali-Ahad (future rulers of Pakistan coming from their progeny). These thugs only survive if Pakistan stays poor and people stay miserable, licking their Arse, depending on them and their thrown bones.

So, why anyone thinks that these thugs would work to change anything in Pakistan? They are corrupt and thugs but I do not think that they are idiots that they would like to destroy their own empire that would last even after their death only if it would stay poor, undeveloped, uneducated, hungry, needy, divided and miserable. They are not Musharraf who had no legacy to think about and no Shahzada in waiting to take over Pakistan after him.