About the frigate requirement of Pakistan NAVY
I know nothing about Pakistan Conqress , the view only base strategic area and NAVY position
Traffic, Exclusive Economic Zone, International Strategy basic
There are some conditional complication In the east and west of Pakistan ,and Pakistan traffic area at sea are Europe,Middle east,China,USA.thereinto east direction are USA,China ,west are europe and middle east area. East traffic line is limited by india, the west to the persian gulf ia iran. There are disput wiyh the two countryes . Another channels in north of traffic connect China is not effected by sea power.
Pakistan navy’s mission are safeguard the avail of Traffic , Exclusive Economic Zone,internation stratagem ,not to extend .so ,Pakistan NAVY main mission area are within 200nm.
Ever requirement what type of frigate?
. I conside the project Perry is most disagree to Pakistan navy.
The air raid and torpedor raid are main threaten of the frigate. The sm-1 missile do not have ability of whole artitude combat .when intercept the low artitued target ,the SM-1 may be happen careless omission . that is every doom,most modern air raid are low artitude through the vessels defence.Only Two holicopters are consided most effective ASW system,but we notice the Pakistan coast do not have enough depth for India and Iran, the frigate alone perform tasks of ASW will be attacked by air raiding easily.
The air raiding consist the missle and fighter raiding. The missile are most threaten. The type the weakness of Perry are the airdefebce ability fall short in low altitued throughing missiles.
In fact ,fighter provide the high altitued and lond distence airdefence,the frigate form the air defence of low altoitued and close distence,but the Perry is undenproof .
After adopte Perry ,Pakistan Navy had to equipement another type frigate so that supply airdefence the low altitued threaten. Fighter and two type frigates form the whole altitued airdefence in the sae.
Pakistan navy require the frigste have low altitued airdefence system,have continuous airdefence missile firepower,it is distence within 13000m to 15000m .only one type fighter and the fighter can form the whole altitued airdefence in the sea.
. I conside the project Perry is most disagree to Pakistan navy.
The air raid and torpedor raid are main threaten of the frigate. The sm-1 missile do not have ability of whole artitude combat .when intercept the low artitued target ,the SM-1 may be happen careless omission . that is every doom,most modern air raid are low artitude through the vessels defence.Only Two holicopters are consided most effective ASW system,but we notice the Pakistan coast do not have enough depth for India and Iran, the frigate alone perform tasks of ASW will be attacked by air raiding easily.
The air raiding consist the missle and fighter raiding. The missile are most threaten. The type the weakness of Perry are the airdefebce ability fall short in low altitued throughing missiles.
In fact ,fighter provide the high altitued and lond distence airdefence,the frigate form the air defence of low altoitued and close distence,but the Perry is undenproof .
After adopte Perry ,Pakistan Navy had to equipement another type frigate so that supply airdefence the low altitued threaten. Fighter and two type frigates form the whole altitued airdefence in the sae.
Pakistan navy require the frigste have low altitued airdefence system,have continuous airdefence missile firepower,it is distence within 13000m to 15000m .only one type fighter and the fighter can form the whole altitued airdefence in the sea.
QUOTE(Batajnica @ Aug 20 2008, 05:59 AM) 
Ever requirement what type of frigate?
. I conside the project Perry is most disagree to Pakistan navy.
The air raid and torpedor raid are main threaten of the frigate. The sm-1 missile do not have ability of whole artitude combat .when intercept the low artitued target ,the SM-1 may be happen careless omission . that is every doom,most modern air raid are low artitude through the vessels defence.Only Two holicopters are consided most effective ASW system,but we notice the Pakistan coast do not have enough depth for India and Iran, the frigate alone perform tasks of ASW will be attacked by air raiding easily.
The air raiding consist the missle and fighter raiding. The missile are most threaten. The type the weakness of Perry are the airdefebce ability fall short in low altitued throughing missiles.
In fact ,fighter provide the high altitued and lond distence airdefence,the frigate form the air defence of low altoitued and close distence,but the Perry is undenproof .
After adopte Perry ,Pakistan Navy had to equipement another type frigate so that supply airdefence the low altitued threaten. Fighter and two type frigates form the whole altitued airdefence in the sae.
Pakistan navy require the frigste have low altitued airdefence system,have continuous airdefence missile firepower,it is distence within 13000m to 15000m .only one type fighter and the fighter can form the whole altitued airdefence in the sea.
. I conside the project Perry is most disagree to Pakistan navy.
The air raid and torpedor raid are main threaten of the frigate. The sm-1 missile do not have ability of whole artitude combat .when intercept the low artitued target ,the SM-1 may be happen careless omission . that is every doom,most modern air raid are low artitude through the vessels defence.Only Two holicopters are consided most effective ASW system,but we notice the Pakistan coast do not have enough depth for India and Iran, the frigate alone perform tasks of ASW will be attacked by air raiding easily.
The air raiding consist the missle and fighter raiding. The missile are most threaten. The type the weakness of Perry are the airdefebce ability fall short in low altitued throughing missiles.
In fact ,fighter provide the high altitued and lond distence airdefence,the frigate form the air defence of low altoitued and close distence,but the Perry is undenproof .
After adopte Perry ,Pakistan Navy had to equipement another type frigate so that supply airdefence the low altitued threaten. Fighter and two type frigates form the whole altitued airdefence in the sae.
Pakistan navy require the frigste have low altitued airdefence system,have continuous airdefence missile firepower,it is distence within 13000m to 15000m .only one type fighter and the fighter can form the whole altitued airdefence in the sea.
Pery was never intended as AAW vessel. Rather, it was designed as a (Atlantic) convoy ASW escort that could also provide some area air defence for the protection of consort ships (i.e. unarmed merchants). Strong point of the Perry thus is ASW. Mk 13 launchers for SM1 are disembarked in most cases in USN today. If nothing else, these could be given a 21 round RAM launcher in place of the Mk13 and 2x2 (or better) Harpoon AShM (though a fit of 1x Mk41 8-cell launcher with 32 ESSM - which has range similar to SM1 - and a fire control upgrade would better than fitting RAM). OHP in PN would operate under cover of land based aircraft. It will be a big step forward for PN to get to a point where it operates 6 or more frigate sized surface combattants, all of which equipped with SAM and AShM...
QUOTE(penguin @ Aug 21 2008, 05:26 AM)
Pery was never intended as AAW vessel. Rather, it was designed as a (Atlantic) convoy ASW escort that could also provide some area air defence for the protection of consort ships (i.e. unarmed merchants). Strong point of the Perry thus is ASW. Mk 13 launchers for SM1 are disembarked in most cases in USN today. If nothing else, these could be given a 21 round RAM launcher in place of the Mk13 and 2x2 (or better) Harpoon AShM (though a fit of 1x Mk41 8-cell launcher with 32 ESSM - which has range similar to SM1 - and a fire control upgrade would better than fitting RAM). OHP in PN would operate under cover of land based aircraft. It will be a big step forward for PN to get to a point where it operates 6 or more frigate sized surface combattants, all of which equipped with SAM and AShM...
i am indentminate wether us upgrade the perry with ESSM etc.but the sm-1 is lacking on low altitude targert,especially small low altitude targert.
QUOTE(Batajnica @ Aug 20 2008, 11:34 PM)
i am indentminate wether us upgrade the perry with ESSM etc.but the sm-1 is lacking on low altitude targert,especially small low altitude targert.
please look at existing threads, the arguments for and against Perry class are already stated in there.
As for your arguments against ASW helicopters, it doesn't really apply due to the possibility of land cover and the simple fact that PN doesn't have enough money to get a true AAW destroyer. And at the same time, it's not that easy for aircraft to track helicopters as they fly relatively low searching for submarines.
QUOTE(tphuang @ Aug 21 2008, 12:01 PM)
please look at existing threads, the arguments for and against Perry class are already stated in there.
As for your arguments against ASW helicopters, it doesn't really apply due to the possibility of land cover and the simple fact that PN doesn't have enough money to get a true AAW destroyer. And at the same time, it's not that easy for aircraft to track helicopters as they fly relatively low searching for submarines.
As for your arguments against ASW helicopters, it doesn't really apply due to the possibility of land cover and the simple fact that PN doesn't have enough money to get a true AAW destroyer. And at the same time, it's not that easy for aircraft to track helicopters as they fly relatively low searching for submarines.
there is no view of against ASW helicopters in my arguments.
my argument is the frigate should have more ability about the low altitude airdefence, perry is underproof.
beside, real not difficult on technology to tracking the low altitude and low speed fly helicopters
QUOTE(Batajnica @ Aug 21 2008, 12:16 AM)
there is no view of against ASW helicopters in my arguments.
my argument is the frigate should have more ability about the low altitude airdefence, perry is underproof.
beside, real not difficult on technology to tracking the low altitude and low speed fly helicopters
my argument is the frigate should have more ability about the low altitude airdefence, perry is underproof.
beside, real not difficult on technology to tracking the low altitude and low speed fly helicopters
as I said, please read the existing threads about Perry class and think about the budgetary constraints of PN. The pros and cons of this is already discussed.
QUOTE(Batajnica @ Aug 21 2008, 05:34 AM)
i am indentminate wether us upgrade the perry with ESSM etc.but the sm-1 is lacking on low altitude targert,especially small low altitude targert.
USN didn't upgrade Perry with ESSM. Rather, they removed the Mk13 launcher for SM1/Harpoon so that most Perry in USN service currently lack bot a surface to air missile capability and a surface to surface missile capability. They just have Oto Melara 76mm gun, 20mm Phalanx CIWS, and ESM/ECM for self protection, and a complete ASW fit including 2 helicopters (which can be used against surface targets if need be). ESSM in Mk41 VLU could be a possible refit for any Perry's that come into Pakistani service.
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