For once we agree...


http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16714

Musharraf says Zardari will never restore Iftikhar

Wednesday, August 20, 2008

By Hamid Mir

ISLAMABAD: Former president Pervez Musharraf told visiting friends on Tuesday that PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari would never restore deposed chief justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry because if he was restored he would not spare Zardari.

According to one of the visitors, Musharraf told him: “You know some PML-Q leaders suggested to me to cancel the National Reconciliation Ordinance and restore the deposed judges before tendering resignation as they were sure that deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry will become a big problem for Zardari.”

“I decided not to do that. I know Zardari will not restore Justice Iftikhar and Nawaz Sharif will fight him on this issue. Even if Iftikhar is restored he will not spare Zardari. Let the enemies fight with each other.”

August 19 was a unique day in the life of Musharraf. It was his first day without power after nine years. The day started with a breakfast with his family. He was relaxed because there was no hurry of going to office on time. He doesn’t have any office after 44 years but he has not given up. He was pretty sure that he would get one soon.

He still hopes that a situation will be created in the coming weeks when he will get a chance to play a political role. He wants to prove that he can play a role even without uniform.

His day started with courtesy calls from some old friends. He sought the views of everyone about his resignation, future of Pakistan after his departure from the office and especially about the next president of Pakistan. Most of his friends congratulated him on his “safe exit”.

One friend who retired from the Navy long ago reminded him that the first military president Gen Ayub Khan was forced to resign by the then-Army chief Gen Yahya Khan in 1969, Yahya was forced to quit by Gen Gul Hassan in 1971, the third military President Gen Zia was killed in a plane accident in 1988 but Musharraf was the only one who was given a guard of honour by the Army after his departure from the presidency.

Musharraf was happy on his “safe exit” but he shared his disappointment about some “ungrateful” people who left him in the last days of his presidency. One of them was the sitting Chief Justice, Abdul Hameed Dogar. He became chief justice on Nov 3, 2007 after the imposition of emergency by Musharraf. Dogar also validated the extra-constitutional acts of Musharraf after Nov 3. Musharraf contacted Dogar through a very prominent lawyer in the first week of August 2008. Musharraf wanted a stay order from the Supreme Court against the impeachment motion announced by the ruling coalition to oust him. Dogar regretted and disappointed Musharraf.

One friend suggested to Musharraf not to stay in Pakistan for a while. He mentioned a suicide bombing in Dera Ismail Khan. A concerned friend told Musharraf that extremists would try to harm him in Pakistan and he must take extraordinary precautionary measures.

Musharraf received a lot of telephone calls from his relatives and fans mostly from Europe and America. They expressed their solidarity with the former president and said Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari would start fighting with each other and Musharraf should stay in Pakistan just to watch the “Tamasha”.

One friend of Musharraf informed him that Zardari wanted to replace him with a woman as the new president of Pakistan. Musharraf laughed on this information and claimed “as long as Maulana Fazlur Rehman is part of the ruling coalition, no woman can become president of Pakistan.”

Musharraf watched different TV channels in the afternoon which were showing celebrations by the public on his departure. Musharraf smilingly commented “all these TV wallahs will be taught great lessons by Zardari and Nawaz Sharif soon,” saying in Urdu: “Inko Nani Yaad Aa Jaey Gi”.

Musharraf enjoyed songs by Rafi in the evening. He listened to his favourite song “Chal Urr Jaa Rey Panchi Key Aab Yeh Dais Hoa Begana”. After enjoying music he called a friend again in the evening and told him “I am here, I will not run away I am not a ‘Panchi’ who will fly away from Pakistan.”

Musharaf needs to keep a ZERO profile for our sake .... for his sake and for Pakistan's sake


than again ... God Knows where Hamid Mir is getting this crap from or may be he's just making it up ... like the plane on Chaklala that never seems to come

Zardari is hiding behind Moshe's indemnity... The real issue remains the NRO... If Nov 3 judges are restored and all those laws wiped from the system, the NRO stands invalidated...

What Zardari is saying currently is just word play... He wants his sins wiped and to enjoy his loot... It is not in his interest to have more than a single locus of decision making...

Remember he wanted the ISI under Rehman Malik... A chief justice who can and probably will challenge his undisputed authority is not in his interests...



http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16715

Words and deeds

Wednesday, August 20, 2008

By Absar Alam

ISLAMABAD: After happily pocketing the credit for getting Musharraf out of its way, the PPP has tied the restoration of the judges with indemnity to Musharraf on all charges that he might face in future—-violation of the Constitution as well as criminal, source told The News on Tuesday.

This sudden change of stance by the PPP is the second violation of two separate written agreements which the top leaders signed in Murree and Islamabad, placing the coalition teetering on a cliff edge.

Zardari’s disrespect for two written agreements with the coalition partners has raised a number of question marks on his sincerity to restore all the honourable judges sent home by Musharraf through his second martial law.

Political sources believe Zardari’s dragging of feet on the judges’ issue will not only adversely affect the party’s popularity among the masses, it would also cause a serious dent to his credibility as a man of his word.

On August 7, both Zardari and Sharif had signed a two-page agreement in the Zardari House Islamabad. Apparently, the agreement was so sacrosanct that Zardari and Sharif signed on both pages separately to give credence to the contents of these pages.

Unlike the Murree Accord, the Zardari House agreement was not made public since it contained binding clauses for both the parties. The relevant clauses of August 7 written agreement between Zardari and Sharif, which made it binding on the signatories to restore the judges within 24 hours, are:

1) Resolution is to be tabled within one day of the impeachment or resignation of Musharraf.

2) Issuance of an executive order to restore judiciary on November 2, 2007 position immediately after the passing of resolution by the National Assembly.

3) Transfer of official protocol to the restored Chief Justice of Supreme Court and respective High Courts immediately after the issuance of the executive order.

Political observers claim that Zardari is keen to deliver on his part of the NRO bargain through indemnity for Musharraf and the judges’ restoration will have to wait until after the guarantors are satisfied on indemnity.

The sources, who have the first hand knowledge of the meetings going on between the coalition partners, claim that all main political leaders, particularly Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif, are genuinely interested in keeping the alliance together.

But Zardari’s commitment elsewhere has tied his hands and hence he keeps flip-flopping on the judges issue which is most dear to a whopping 83 per cent of Pakistanis, according to a recent survey by International Republican Institute.

This impasse has made it impossible for Sharif to send his party nominees back to the cabinet. The PML-N is unlikely to compromise on this issue even if it has to sit on the opposition benches, sources claimed.

However, independent analysts believe that despite the sincerity of both leaders to keep the coalition intact, it is unlikely to stay together if the core issue of judges’ restoration is not resolved.

“Zardari’s situation is like that of Dostoyevsky’s hero,” the source commented. “He is trying hard to avert the crumbling of the coalition but would end up causing it if he did not restore the judges,” the source said.

Next few days will confirm if Zardari’s words and deeds match and he has the courage to sidestep his assurances to numerous players and instead honours people’s aspirations on issues for which they have been struggling for a very long time now.

It is my belief that the alliance is headed for a break and early elections...

It is a good thing; in my opinion...

can Musharaf leak some 5hit about Aafia case?
just for some "praischit"(hindi) of his karma.

It is my belief that the alliance is headed for a break and early elections...

It is a good thing; in my opinion...

That would be bad for both Zardari & NS .. as PML-Q will get a better poll rating than the present numbers.

There's lot of bad blood between Zardari and Iftikhar Choudhary. Zardari was candid about this in a BBC Radio interview with Owen Bennett Jones some 5 months back. He said back when he was languishing in jail, there was case against him for non-payement of customs duty for an imported car. Iftikhar denied him bail thrice in that case. Zardari said restoring Iftikhar will do no good, and that he wants a reformed judiciary.

PZ, I agree with you on first part about the possibility of alliance breakaway, but how would it be good if elections are held where NS party has the chance of winning probably due to the judges issue. Aik chore jaai gaa and doosra will come into power. Something has to happen that none of the two or their followers get into power.

lol Pakistan first!!! Let the enemies fight even if it damages pakistan, so what? If he really belived in pakistan first, he should have abrogated NRO and restored the judges and then resigned. That would have led to a juduciary which was neither obliged to NS nor to Zardari, hence it would be most impartial so far.

But no, its "pakistan (i.e. mush) first"!!! So why think good for people of pakistan? Why not let enemies fight, to hell with the peopl of pakistan, they will get the just punishment for rejecting me (i.e. mush i.e. pakistan).

I think Iftikhar Chaudry is the right man for the job...

He is the one who did the Sou Moto case in favor of Mukhtaran Mai... The man is also responsible for bringing forward the case of the missing people...

I think we all agree that we have to follow an independent line from the the US in terms of the War on Terror...

We have to follow a path which is in Pakistan's interests --first--...

I believe this is one man who will dissolve the one man road show; which has been Pakistan...

But no, its "pakistan (i.e. mush) first"!!! So why think good for people of pakistan? Why not let enemies fight, to hell with the peopl of pakistan, they will get the just punishment for rejecting me (i.e. pakistan).

Slayer : Now here you have mistaken the whole affair : 1 is people of Pakistan and than there is Pakistan. Of course you will come back with Pakistan constitutes of People of Pakistan, but you must realize that after patience, direction & work a person gets exhausted when he or she does not see results. That's what is with the Musharaff / Supporters.

Expect more bloodshed. The lawyers should be smelling blood now. The opposition against Zardari will be even more intense. Half of their job is done by the resignation of Musharraf. Now that Musharraf (a supposed obstacle in the restoration of the deposed judges) has departed, Zardari is forming a thorn. Let's face it, the US don't wish to see the CJ restored. The US fully supported Musharraf in his quest against the lawyers movement. In fact, the US have been making blatant interfering statements that the CJ shouldn't politicize the issue. Let us not forget that the CJ has been ruling in favour of the families that have been victim of extradition of their loved ones in exchange for cash. Something that the US doesn't bode well. I also believe that CJ ought to be restored to full glory. No one is perfect, but at least the man has apparently made some good decisions in the best interest of Pakistan. Something very rare and hard to come by in Pakistan these days.

Let's face it, the US don't wish to see the CJ restored

The CJ was a crony of US / UK, ISI had bugs on them and could not produce them in court officially as it would be wrong legally and the fact or rather details of these bugging were thrown out by the Supreme court as it literally involved all of them.

However, US would prefer to listen to their own henchmen i.e; Zardari in place of past supporter CJ ! The Job of the CJ was to destabilize Gen. Musharaff govt. who although in US hands did not support USA 100% & was bringing a turn around to Pakistan.

LOL Yes, I've heard that one before. How do you go about explaining his rulings against extradited 'terrorists'? I've already said it, no one is perfect.

Rang badalta ha lota kaisa kaisa


Yar akheer hi kar di :P

This is essentially a report from the jang newspaper reporting the ex president as having had breakfast and listed to Rafi in the evening, whilst spending the day on the phone.

who told them? Is any of what has been said sensational news?

Zardari will not restore judges...

Fazl-ur-rehamn will oppose a woman president (as do i)...

The coaltion will probably fight...

All ground breaking stuff we didn't already know...

good to know my president is a romantic (yes he shall always be the president for a lot of people on this forum)

something wrong here, it posted twice, for no reason....

2015 will bear great fruits.....i hypothosized that gen musharaf will be gone in 10 years, as it has sadly always been the case with military dictators. now i hypothosize that this HUGE build up of technical knowledge in regards to war machines aswell as manufacture of war machines is a direct result of "you are either with us, or we will bomb you to stone age", now a new figure will rise, like a pheonix does, President Pervez Musharaf

no doubt, zardari is a thief & thug & gangster & mugger and and and ....... lot more,

NRO is one of the reason for what i hate Mr. Musharraf, why he gives indemnity to those people who are currpt & fascist, i knw he did just because of his personal interests.

we all know that now Musharraf will play the roll of opposition now.

He should remain outside and enjoy his remaining life, I request him to please don't destablizie Pakistan now.

Hope for something good from our politicians.

NRO is one of the reason for what i hate Mr. Musharraf, why he gives indemnity to those people who are currpt & fascist, i knw he did just because of his personal interests.

Anxious .. Like all Pakistani's you are at the selective choices story ... why while he signed the NRO .. he went all the way to Saudi Arabia to persuade Nawaz Sharif to come back to Pakistan and get involved in Politics ! Why did he do so ? He should have hanged him when all the public wanted was his head !

It's called reconciliation which unfortunately was a bad habit of our late President or sorry My President, as Yahya had rightly said.

He probably will stay out of politics now and dont' worry about him destabilizing Pakistan. The man has fought for Pakistan and even has taken enemy's bullet in one of the three conflicts. Your Prof. Ghadari and NoSharif are more than capable of messing up of whatever is left of Pakistan.

May come as a shock to you but I seriously do not want to see Pakistani Armed Forces or the ISI controlled by the likes of Zardari or Rehman Malik...

I want to see a change in Pakistan's policy; something along the lines of Pakistan first...

I am not interested in a situation which is a continuation of the same old bull crap... We've lost 8,000 people to this war... How many has the US lost?? 911 and Iraq combined??

The fall of Ghardari is inevitable within the next months unless he can turn the PML-Q towards his side. As for pakistani politics I believe theres gonna be a new era were new parties are gonna emerge that might actually challenge the PPP and PML-N's monopoly. Everyone expected the PML-Q to fall but it appears as if there leaders are fully revamping the party, if they merge with other parties such as the PML-P, ANP, etc who share very close idealogies with them then we will see a truly new era

Abi to abtidaye ishq hai, rota hai kia
age age dekhye hota hai kia

It is just beginning... My hope is

CJ got restored... NRO abolished.....Zardari,Nawaf and Mush all being trailed in SC.

The last guy who prevented CJ Iftikhar from sitting in his chambers resigned on Monday.

What's Zardari?

Remember when BB was elected PM the first time around, a "certain" FATWA was granted making a female elligible to be a head of the state.
That fatwa is still floating around.

http://dawn.com/2008/08/20/welcome.htm

Zardari declines to reinstate deposed Chief Justice: NYT
NEW YORK, Aug 20: American newspaper, The New York Times cited Pakistan People’s Party(PPP) co-Chairman Asif Ali Zardari as saying he has declined to reinstate deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, private television channels reported. The daily also claimed PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif placed an ultimatum for reinstatement of the deposed judges failing which the PML-N would detach itself from the ruling coalition, they said. (Posted @ 10:35 PST)

Altaf Hussain proposes Asif Zardari for presidential candidature
ISLAMABAD, Aug 20 (APP): Muttahida Qaumi Movement(MQM) chief Altaf Hussain Wednesday proposed the name of PPP co-Chairman Senator Asif Ali Zardari for presidential candidature, private television channels reported. Hussain said from MQM, he proposed the name of PPP co-Chairman Asif Ali Zardari for presidential nomination as Zardari represents a small province and his selection would serve the need to find a president from a small province. (Posted @ 13:05 PST)

A wanted fugitive is proposing a pardoned convict, Viva La 'Demoracy!

Provided the army keeps pressure on these demofascists, Musharraf will stay in Pakistan, he is still in, and when Pakistani awam eats Chithr, maybe, just maybe they will come back to him

But I hope he rejects them when they do.

Well said bro well said. This don sitting in England is as cunning as Mr. 10%.

The only thing holding Ganja and Gunda together was their joint consipiracy against Parvez Musharraf, now it's question of >

Out of frying pan and into the fire!

I can see a few "Bakras" lined up for Qurbani Eid!!!!

Nopes, Qurbani Eid is far ahead we will see "something" much earlier than that. BTW, PPP has just proposed Zardari as president.

^^^^

Well, if it was upto the PPP, they wanted to shift the capital to Larkana or something but what's more astonishing is Altaf Hussain also recomending

Asif Zardari for presidency, there must be amore severe words than despression and bad luck!!

I agree with u that former President Musharraf should keep a low profile and let the snakes fight it out. It would be a tamasha to watch. LOL. Zardari wants to become the President of Pakistan.That is funny. Ganja must be boiling mad.He will do whatever it takes to become PM again. Now we will see the jahils tear at each other.

Maybe in future former President Musharraf can come back after the people realize thier folly in letting the looters back into power. And we could hear a slogan everywhere.

BACK MUSHARRAF BACK. BACK MUSHARRAF BACK. BACK MUSHARRAF BACK.

Anyone with at least a partially working brain would know that Zardari & Sharif do not want an free judiciary...it will be a suicidal bullet to the head. They will probably install a muppet court and our law & order authorities will be even more weak and corrupt. You will see more constitutional violations, MPs will blindly vote for stupid policies whilst the good MPs will be killed or given death threats, etc. I just hope our people hit the streets for their rights and courts, but I fear this is very unlikely to happen...the majority of voters were probably puppeted at the ballots; we have idiot elites voting for a party because their family is close to it, etc, etc.

IMO...let's hope the people call the army into action...a populist coup, socio-political reform, sovereign constitution & law code...and a unity of conscious.

Well, that was very much possible provided we did not have a vibrant media a pointed out by Mush himself in last address. I think now there is no way left for Nawaz to sit on opposition benches if Zardari once again deviate from Islamabad deceleration.

No choor wants free judiciary but here mian sahib has thing or two do gain from deposed judges.

1- clearness from Teyarra Sazish case
2-Trial of Mush
3-Earning sympathies of jahil awam of Pakistan.

everyone know why he is doing it all. Actually he is preparing for next election.

Sharif threatens to quit Pakistan coalition

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has threatened to pull his party out of Pakistan's ruling coalition it does not decide by Friday to reinstate judges purged by former president Pervez Musharraf, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The deadlock over the judges opened up cracks in the coalition led by slain Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) soon after Musharraf, faced with the threat of impeachment, resigned on Monday.

Sharif told the newspaper that the sacking of the judges last year had shaken the foundations of the country and it was necessary to restore them to their jobs.

"We will not try to bring the government down," Sharif said in remarks published on Thursday. "But of course we then have no choice but to sit in the opposition."

The PPP led by Bhutto's widower Asif Ali Zardari, has wavered over restoring the judges, partly because of concern the deposed chief justice might take up challenges to an amnesty from graft charges granted to party leaders last year, analysts say.

Leaders of two small parties in the four-party alliance have played down the dispute but said they had been given three days to resolve the problem between the big parties.

Sharif said Zardari had earlier assured him that the judges would be reinstated within 24 hours of Musharraf's impeachment. "We supported him on impeachment. It's now his turn to support us on the reinstatement of judges."

The departure of Sharif's party from the coalition would not force an election, analysts have said, adding that the PPP, the biggest in parliament, should be able to gather enough support to remain in government.

With Sharif winning much popular support for his tough stand on the unpopular Musharraf and the judges, an election is the last thing Bhutto's party wants, Rasul Bakhsh Rais, professor at the Lahore University of Management Sciences told Reuters on Wednesday.

"If elections are held, I don't think the People's Party can survive. It will be wiped out," Rais said.

The coalition leaders are also divided over Musharraf's future. There has been no announcement since his resignation on whether he would get immunity from prosecution and be allowed to live freely in Pakistan.

Sharif, the prime minister Musharraf ousted, said he bore no grudges toward the former military ruler but he must be held accountable for his actions.

"I'm not a man who believes in revenge. Although he mistreated me, I don't have any score to settle with him. But somebody who dismisses the parliament, subverts the constitution, arrests the judges must tell the people why he did that. He must answer these questions under whatever forum the law provides." he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080821/wl_nm/pakistan_sharif_dc

lol @ how it says opened up cracks in the coalition...it was all cracky from the beginning

Altaf knows that with mush gone the next gov of sindh will be ppp man. So sindh will be in ppp hands for the next few years. That is why he is now supporting zardari for president despite being against ppp and impeachment. Altaf is slowly loosing the situation and i have the feeling that it has not yet dawned upon him.

The most probable course of events:

1. Zardari - Nawaz talks break down. PML (N) quits.
2. PPP forms government with support of MQM, PML(Q), JUI, ANP, Tribal MNA's (all together 208).
3. Zardari sahib elected President.
4. Lawyers, PML(N) and opposition fragments launch political campaign. Lots of rhetoric
5. Pak Army launches Full scale war in FATA, Balauchistan. US supports new government to the hilt. Armed extremists infuse into major swaths of the country (signs of that in settled areas of NWFP).
6. Army operations and PPP government crackdown saps the economy (already signs of that). US remains tight fisted (the real cost of Army operations is lot more than the paltry wages from the USA).
7. White Heat: As dollar touches a US$ = Rs 100 level, coupled with lawlessness and a virtual economic collapse.
8. In the mean time Indian rumblings reach a crescendo. Pak Army realizes that it is virtually in the same state as Georgian Army in the Ossetia. War on Terror has sapped it of its conventional capability. At least 8 first rate Divisions and a third of the PAF is needed to protect the flanks in the country. Who will bother with India?
9. The most optimistic drop scene. One fine morning:
a. Zardari sahib calls it a day. Boards the flight to Dubai!
b. Gen Kiyani, and a few of the Generals decide to …………
c. ???????????????

IS IT WORTH IT?

If PML N quits and PML Q doesnt join up with Zardari; they can call for a vote of confidence with new elections...

ANP and JUI lean more towards the PPP... So does a breakaway faction of the PML Q...

The chaudries are descended from Zahoor Ilahi who was killed by Bhutto...

The Chaudry faction cannot sit in with the PPP...

The chaudries are descended from Zahoor Ilahi who was killed by Bhutto...

The Chaudry faction cannot sit in with the PPP...

PPP-Naseerullah Babur killed MQM goons like flies in Karachi still today MQM is sitting with PPP .. Pakistani politics is funny .. you never know !

Of course .. I don't want to go into local details .. but my 2 cents.

PML Q for now will not get on the same benches as PML-N ... whether treasury or opposition

http://dawn.com/2008/08/22/nat4.htm

August 22, 2008 Friday Sha'aban 19, 1429

PML-N, PPP take judges’ case to Washington

By Our Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Aug 21: PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif has sent an emissary to Washington to explain his position on the war on terror and on the judges’ issue, reminding many of the 1990s when both Mr Sharif and Benazir Bhutto had hired lobbyists in the US capital to win American support.

As Rana Mashhood Ahmed Khan, deputy speaker of the Punjab Assembly, was hobnobbing with officials at the State Department, Pakistan’s ambassador Husain Haqqani was explaining PPP’s position to a group of US scholars and policy makers on the same issues.

“Some people think that being stubborn is the same thing as being principled,” said Mr Haqqani in an apparent reference to PML-N’s stance on the judges’ issue.

“We are not stubborn,” said Rana Mashhood. “We believe that an independent judiciary can go a long way in fostering national unity.”

But neither side showed much flexibility in their approach to the judges’ dispute.

“No minus one. Any solution should include Chaudhry Iftikhar’s reinstatement as the chief justice,” Rana Mashhood said.

“The judiciary will be restored … but, will the restoration be exactly what certain lawyers and certain political leaders want? I don’t think that that is even necessary for Pakistan to move forward,” said Mr Haqqani.

In his address to a major Washington think-tank, Centre for Strategic and International Studies, he made it clear that the decision taken by the majority party in the Pakistani parliament would prevail because that was how democracy functioned. “So, if certain lawyers and certain politicians refuse to accept the decision of the majority of members of parliament, that doesn’t mean that that is not what will prevail,” he said.

Rana Mashhood disagreed. “This is Mr Haqqani’s position. This is not what PPP’s central leadership tells us,” he told a PML-N meeting in Washington.

Both Mr Haqqani and Rana Mashhood, however, insisted that despite differences, the ruling coalition would continue to work together. Yet, PML-N’s decision to reach out directly to the US administration and lawmakers, instead of working through the embassy, reflected a lack of trust between the two major partners of the ruling alliance.

It reminded political observers in Washington of the 1990s when, like today, PML-N ruled over Punjab while PPP controlled the centre. And both wanted Washington to support their efforts to bring the other down. To achieve this target, both hired influential lobbyists in Washington.

While PPP still has a lobbyist and is also helped by the official lobbyists for Pakistan, PML-N so far has not done so. But it already has taken the first step towards explaining his position to the Americans by sending an emissary to the US capital.

Rana Mashhood, however, told journalists that “no matter what, we will never support any move to bring down the central government. Not even if our government in Punjab is toppled.”

He added: “Although I was sent by my party, I am here to explain the problems Pakistan faces as a nation. We are telling the Americans if you do not help resolve these problems, they will haunt you too.”

and they said Musharf was amrika's pitho

these haram khor ... might as well apply for Green Card and run Pakistan from Washington, London and Dubai

QUOTE(Shehz @ Aug 22 2008, 12:18 PM)
http://dawn.com/2008/08/22/nat4.htm

August 22, 2008 Friday Sha'aban 19, 1429

PML-N, PPP take judges’ case to Washington



and they said Musharf was amrika's pitho

these haram khor ... might as well apply for Green Card and run Pakistan from Washington, London and Dubai

Wait & see .. how much we are going to bend over backwards for the USA in Zardari / NS era .. just wait ...

Had Lal Masjid episode happened in their time, they would have used daisy cutter !

The coalition will break up because Zardari being the bastard as we know him will go back on his word and wont reinstate the CJ.MQM will now join PPP because they want to stay in power no matter wat and new elections wont be in their favor. Also the NRO affects them just as much.
PML-N will patch up with PML-Q(FORWARD GROUP) and with ANP and few other allies, they will sit in the opposition.Now i dont know if they have the numbers to call early elections.I also think that elections would probably be beneficial at this stage since the two parties are in deadlock over the issue. Nothing in my opinion will move forward until the judiciary drama is fixed.
But at the moment, they need to sit down and issue directives on how to stop the voilence. If they postpone the elections for another 3 months, concentrate on this then its better for Pakistan.Im not sure if thats what will happen.
If new elections are called, PPP will lose its seats to PML-N and PML-q which might eventually one party minus Chaudhries.All depends on how many seats APDM and MQM win, they might offset the PML gains and PPP loses.

American puppets are only good until they stay in power, after that its every man for hismelf.Besides, Americans dont really give political asylum to deposed leaders, remember shah of Iran?

Nothing will change in elections ... its a country where vote falls on Bradari, ethnicity and for the Chaudry.

But ... after the recent Drama ... the Chaudries may win their seats from Gujrat this time around.

Some people living in dream world have lot of illusions. They think that PMLQ will join PMLN . Kewn bhai, kiya sab nay Nawaz say laddu khaye hain? . Why the hell PMLQ would join PMLN, any reason?

In last election, PMLQ got more votes than PMLN and seats in every province even when during election PMLQ lost votes due to incumbency and sympathy votes to opposition (especially to PPP due to BB death). Rushwat-khors and other destructive groups of Pakistan (suicide bombers and their sympathises, every beardos and weirdos who are misguided but thinks that they are Allah’s chosen people, playboys acting as Maulvi to fool people, corrupt generals and bureaucrats of Zia time, thugs in profession of law and journalism, corrupt politicians and public wanting to loot and plunder with the help of known corrupts Nawaz and Zardari, etc) were also against PMLQ and overwhelmingly voted for PMLN.

So, leading party is PMLQ, not PMLN and if there is any future in Pakistan than it is for PMLQ. I think that PMLN should join PMLQ as I do not see that PMLN has any real future in Pakistan. It is also possible that after 15 months Musharraf would also officially join PML-Q and would give PMLQ a strong and honest leadership (15 months is left for Musharaf to complete two years requirement before he joins a party).